Due to the April 30th 2010 Update this build no longer works even in NM. 06:34, April 30, 2010 (UTC)amishprn86


I've been testing and using this build. Through many many consecutive runs I have found that Spirit Of Failure, Auspicious, channeling are all just excessive. Just take energy Tap, another skill. Using just Deadly, SF, Shroud, DC, Energy Tap, and Ether Nightmare, CoP its so easy. Maybe put a skill in too speed up times? I have it down to just a little over a minute per run. Just thought I should maybe share this bit of info. Mini Norn

forget auspicious and put in channelingSharkytalk 08:39, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

You're not in range for channeling to work, auspicious works, personally I use Energy Tap ^________^ --Frosty Frostcharge 09:03, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
cant use cop off that ^___^--Relyk talk 09:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Wat? --Frosty Frostcharge 09:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
use cry of pain while ether nightmare is down, since guy is hexed with spirit of failure--Relyk talk 09:09, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
We were never talking about dropping Spirit of Failure, I was was saying I used Energy Tap over Auspicious Incantation... --Frosty Frostcharge 09:14, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Shadow Form does not cause spirit of failiure to miss anymore, so could you explain how u get energy from it?Ocirne23 10:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Mind? I found a quick HM farming method, mind if i update it?. Shinko 10:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
ups bed time--Relyk talk 10:52, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
can u describe the method :<--Relyk talk 10:54, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

how bout modding the sliver instead of cryer with same method, drop gole and dp for shroud and dc. have been using it and it seems to work better, less energy issues24.218.16.50 16:49, February 28, 2010 (UTC)Glass Monkey

I used a build similar to this to farm ectos, in alternative to the A/E build, (i think its faster), but i used drain enchantments for e-management (always leave a dryder to the end, and its easy) along with channeling and shroud of distress, to maintain health. made a bad rune of 5 mins (SS7, Lux6)--SunBender 22:32, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, i tried this build later on, and its faster. My worst runs have 2mins after i resign.SunBender 08:49, March 04, 2010 (UTC)

Here's a video using this build: YouTube 1:50 Jusman 00:42, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

^That's a much more effecient way to farm them, none of the banished run away so you always get max kills. --Frosty Frostcharge 00:55, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Imo, go Mes primary, 12 Shadow Arts, 10+1+3 Inspiration, 8+1 Fast Casting. Still able to maintain Shadow Form, but you get faster casts, and more energy gain from AI. Or at least put a mes primary variant on the build page. + ℓγssάή [rage] 02:07, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention, higher base energy. Mesmer primary is just better. 18:48, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

changed a few things

i chagned a few things making it better after some testing, siwth 16 shadow arts, shroud of distress still recharges on time for next usage, and when combined with auspicious give enough energy, energy tap is for back up as well, spirit of failure is now useless as attacks hit you, 25% chance is nothing. :) test the build now :) Lithril Ashwalker

yeah, ive been seeing peeps tell me that spirit of failure is better than energy tap...well ET recharges faster than spirit of failure,(but then they say you can cast SoF on 2 enemies) well...this is true even with a 40/40 set, but why screw with poercentages, its a pain on energy to cast it, why that and waste time casting stuff on enemies when you coulda had them dead already?

ET only gives a max of 12 energy every 22 seconds, i'm pretty sure SoF gives alot more than that, and you don't have to cast it every 22 seconds. --Samsig 23:09, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

yeah but its only 25% chance to miss on each foe with it on, and oyu can only cast SoF on 2 targets max, which will be 50% total spread out to being every 1:4 swings it will miss. when E.T you can get the energy then and there instantly.

not to mention,the energy it takes to cast SoF each time you have to wait to earn back for each miss of the enemies you caste dit on, with Energy Tap you only use 5 energy instead of 15 each time while casting SoF Lithril Ashwalker

All you have to do is, Auspicious -> SoF -> dodge attacks. Ohh so many energies. --Frosty Frostcharge 23:25, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
Also, ignore my last comment, I forgot the new SF makes you get hit. :P Thats why I wasn't getting much energy >< I'll try ETap now, see how it is. --Samsig 23:41, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

you don't need the energy from SoF, u get blue bar from AI+SoF. I use it to fuel cop while ether nightmare is in downtime.--Relyk talk 01:31, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

AI+SoF is a better option imo. AI+SoF gives 27e. minus 20e required to cast them, you get a net of 7e. Same as Enery Tap. Plus, 25% chance to miss happens more often than you think. You start seeing +3e every now and then for 30 secs. If you watch the video carefully, I've gain +3e 16 times during the run. Beside e-management, SoF other purpose is to fuel CoP. Jusman 03:14, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Works fine in HM on the first group. 1-2 minutes, 3 min max.

Radiation Field

Hey can someone put Radiation Field instead of CoP under Variants please, I would do it but i don't know how and also not sure if i'd be allowed too, Thankyou. -- FlashingTurtle™ 13:51, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

All you really need is zealous daggers and golden lotus strike. More than enough energy. Radiation field and ether and cry of pain plus the required skills to stay alive. Since none of the skills to kill with require any attribute points you can pretty much put everything left over in dagger mastery and critical strikes.
Actually scrap that bit about RF, i guess it only works well in NM. -- FlashingTurtle™ 14:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


why? normal mode should be faster...and you got same ecto droprate. Illoyon 17:52, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

HM can be done in 3 mins max so why would you want to do it any faster in NM? -- FlashingTurtle™ 14:28, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
In the same time you do 6 runs in NM you only can make 4 in HM so after 20runs you save nearly 20min


20% Ench Weapon, 10vs fire shield and blessed insig imo Ashes 14:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Me/A variant?

anybody tried this with Me/A variant yet? Gonna try out tonight to check... --Pixy1 15:09, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

nvm... tried it myself and it rocks!!! Shadow=12 Insp=10+1+3 FC=8, Sword with 20ench +5e inscr, insp offhand +12e q9, radiant. Pity it only does the first bit on the ledge :( --Pixy1 10:50, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
i have also tryed this and imo this build should have been me/a to begin with as fast casting means a primary mesmer can do this the same as a sin only faster.
teh 1337 mezmer buildz.

Attributes and Skills

<pvxbig> [build prof=ME/A Fast=8 Insp=10+1+3 Shadow=12][deadly paradox][shadow form][shroud of distress][drain enchantment][energy tap][ether nightmare][cry of pain][death's charge][/build] </pvxbig>

Skill Variant

Swap Spirit of Failure for Drain Enchantment? 15e and 104hp @ 12 insp Ashes 13:46, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I run it with Energy Tap & Drain Enchant. Auspicious only returns 3 energy when used with 10E skills. And channeling will place you so close that you'll scatter them (dryders and dream riders have strange AI). Drain/Etap is easier and works effectively. Dok 23:45, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Nerf ?

Seems to have been nerfed this night: high health regen on mobs. Please could anyone confirm?The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 17:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC).

It was "accidentally nerfed" or, more accurately, the critters were accidentally buffed, for a short while after the update on the 29th, but fixed with the 30th one.--Dark.Morelia.sigDark Morelia 13:20, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

21st May 2010 Skill Balance update

Ether Nightmare now nerfed, increased recharge time from 15 to 25. LOL this is ridiculous. Jusman 01:24, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

still works for nm, and ecto rates are the same--TahiriVeila 01:27, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
cool will try nm out Jusman 01:33, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

New build

Works well. Even with my 36 energy it has enough energy to kill, though there is probably a better skill than Wastrel's. --Samsig 12:01, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

auspacious incantation should be removed and spirit of failure should be replaced with e tap. Also the optional should be either mistrust or wandering eye. The attribute in the build needs to be changed domination needs to be raised and insperation brout down Dom should be at least at 8 and also with cop degeneration it is still possible to do this in HM. Also try to change your target with waestrals so its a constant damage--Jpuzimaki13 14:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
Remember the damage cap of SF. :) I agree SoF should be replaced with E Tap. --Samsig 16:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
i forgot to list mistrust you just cast it right before sf ends on a dream rider and boom they all die thats why i said you need high dom-- 17:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
wandering eye and energy tap are in variants. you only do 25 damage max so anymore than 3 dom is a waste. You can't afford tab spamming wastrels with your energy unless you get lucky with sof. Also the update gave enemies regen in HM. all this was on the article page, do you know how to read jpuz. energy tap got nerfed to 30 seconds in the update so its crappy energy management. mistrust costs too much energy to use along with its long recharge, it won't save time even if you time at the end for banshees. you could say the same for watrels anyways.--Relyk talk 20:33, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

don't understand what you Are saying relyk. They have +3 health regeneration cop does 3-5health degen after so there heal is gone for 10second out of the 15 second recharge cop has. Then we use the wastrels on a target then another spending 10e And Dealing 50 damage to foes around you. Now you keep doing that after which you use e tap when low on energy after you get them to about 1/3 in health or close to half you use mistrust before SF ends (sith high Dom) after SF ends dream rider tries to cast on you And allways gets the first spell in since they are mesmers. Mistrust Will then interupt them and lash out a ton of damage without SF bringing it Down to 25 why is everyone acting S though we don't a Ready have e regen.......

sure if you spammed cop and ww on recharge you could, but you both don't have the energy and would take forever, not worth it when the drop rate is the same.--Relyk talk 09:16, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
You can spam CoP on recharge no problem, and you can dang near spam WW on recharge with some good kiting. The bigger problem with all of this talk is HM. Why? You like making your runs take twice as long for an occasional crappy proph's Gold item??? Beyond that, I still don't know how much I like WW here, adjacent sucks to group. With nearby, if you do it right, you can DC up there, walk away 2 feet, and start railing them right away. Brow0081 10:03, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they have +7 hp regen in HM Tyrael--(Talk) 18:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
problem is you can't spam nearby aoe damage every 4 seconds--Relyk talk 22:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

A/D Variant?

Was just testing the A/D perma.. decided to change a few things, came up with this

Attributes and Skills

<pvxbig> [build prof=A/D Shadow=12+1+3 EarthP=12 ][deadly paradox][shadow form][shroud of distress][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor][sand shards][eternal aura][signet of pious light][death's charge][/build] </pvxbig> The idea is to get a strong 44-52dps saving you bonkers time. IMO faster, but they can sometimes flee (whether it's avoidable or not?). Can be tweaked, but not much.. last time i tested i was tight with energy, but still got them all within 50-60 seconds along with epic piling. What do you guys think? /nosig

Okay, I've done 7 runs with this build, 4 ecto.. no flaws with correct usage, except as i said some scatter, if you pile them up correctly and close to the cliff then you'll get more or less all of them. Skills in order: 1,2,(pile up),3,5,6,7,7,4,5,7.... Repeat SF then 5,7... that should more or less kill them all. 3x sand shards... now you can actually watch their hp bars fall down. /nosig

the build works well just a few problems the massive aoe from 3 or just two sanshards cause the all of them to scatter. dream riders begin to scatter if you get near them. so there is always that problem but i did a few runs with well better than nothing, this weastrals build has gotten annoying to me so i made a new build 30sec fast time. pm in game if you want to see it &^^--Jpuzimaki13 20:46, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

====dont particularly like EBSoH...max dmg cap EVEN with EBSoH is 26 max...percentages overwrite it. Take BuH Instead.Lithril 20:23, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

New Way


ball em up once use skills in order, gets everyone down to like -[]---------------------- health, then ball em up again(theyll scatteR) one more cast and all dead) much faster Lithril 20:13, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

new build

K I've made a new build tested out did research on every skills and such to get the ledge farm to be farmable in under 30seconds here and since I hate you the good people of pvx rate builds I'm just going to show a video here is the link [1]--Jpuzimaki13 21:15, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

I've being trying this build out and it works perfectly :D ~Smite

thank you ^^ i got bored after i made the waestrals build so i made that--Jpuzimaki13 16:38, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hard mode.

Why won't anyone farm it anymore? I know +7 health regen but use daggers instead, 26 dmg spike every second does the job in hard mode. Builds:

Glyph of Swiftness Shadow Form Shroud of Distress Asuran Scan Golden Lotus Strike Ebon Battle Standard of Honor Critical Agility Death&#039;s Charge
Deadly Paradox Shadow Form Shroud of Distress Critical Agility Asuran Scan Critical Eye Death&#039;s Charge Strength of Honor

Both of those work. Juze JuzeAvatar 10:09, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Why woul dyou do it in HM....Life Guardian 10:15, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Because NM is for newbs. HM is pro. Juze JuzeAvatar 10:22, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Everyone did it in HM before HM nerf. Juze JuzeAvatar 10:23, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
I find this statement extremely ironic. Life Guardian 10:24, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
but the purpose for these runs is to get ectos and since drop rate is the same in nm and it is in hm wouldnt you want to do a run in the shortest amount of time possible cause take about 1-3min for the hm run when the nm build I posted above is only 20-40sec. There are a ton of builds to solo the ledge or entire topk in hm. I wouldnt say nm is for noobs it's just for people smart enough to know how to get what they want quickly.--Jpuzimaki13 16:37, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
Juze is KISS shitter. --Iggy 's other account 17:39, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
lol iggy. kiss does sux its amazing how they how so many members lol wish my guild can get that many :P-- 18:21, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Drain enchant + energy tap

Is much more efficient for the mesmer bar. Not sure about the sin since you don't have access to runes/FC--TahiriVeila 18:30, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


by which is much faster and more effective. Kracatoan 16:02, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yep It is :P I should know--Jpuzimaki13 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
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