this build should be moved to a/mo rather than a/any The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eronth (contribs) .

IMO it'd be better off as a/any with x/mo as an optional for heal, and making that last slot optional. But that's just my opinion. Swiftslash 20:20, 7 May 2007 (CEST)

Agree with Swift. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 02:19, 22 May 2007 (CEST)

If you make it optional, everyone will put in Feigned Neutrality and insist that the attribute spread makes decent healing impossible. Restful Breeze is by far the best heal for this build and it is very much needed. VegaObscura 23:58, 23 May 2007 (CEST)

Will everyone now? I was more thinking of Plague touch or some deadly arts skill. Signet of toxic shock anyone? Swiftslash \\ Impale 00:29, 24 May 2007 (CEST)

Ummm, I deffinently prefer Shadow Refuge, dunno if that counts for anything. -(єronħ) no u 00:40, 24 May 2007 (CEST)

See that's what I'm talking about. All the noobs will take things that would be good by themselves, but don't work with this build, then say the build lacks survivability simply because they don't realize that Restful Breeze is far superior in this particular build. That is exactly why I didn't leave the spot optional. VegaObscura 04:50, 24 May 2007 (CEST)

Yeh. Feigned Neutrality and Shadow Refuge are mid-battle heals, but people insist on using them as after-battle heals... which makes them seem sucky. This build has no time to stop mid-combo and cast a healing spell, so Restful Breeze is by far the best choice for healing. -Auron 09:32, 30 May 2007 (CEST)

Checked and Reviewed Edit

For Viability. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 06:51, 7 June 2007 (CEST)

IAS Edit

Healing aside, this build is even deadlier with an IAS such as Tiger Stance. However, this becomes less viable for RA and TA (no slot for res sig), but more fun for AB as you don't need res. Since the 2nd prof becomes /W, your self-heal won't be Restful Breeze, but I use Shadows Refuge anyway (even with not a lot of points it helps some) and I'm usually in a guild group that has a Monk. I don't know if including an IAS would make this build any different to make its own page, but it's a thought. I enjoy seeing the casters go down even faster than without the IAS. Laenavesse 20:09, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Don't really need an IAS when they can't cast spells, unless they preveil or Purge SoS off. And face it, not many ABers or RAers are that smart. --NYC Elite 09:44, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Good build ? Edit

How is this classified as a " good build " when it's rating is over 4.5 ? .. should we change it ?Kyrax 18:16, 18 July 2007 (CEST)

Ya, That's one of the annoying things. No auto change and no way to know when people vote (unless we constantly check every page.) ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 18:23, 18 July 2007 (CEST)
Oh, No, we do not change until 5 votes have happened. ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 18:24, 18 July 2007 (CEST)

Melvnatic's Vote Edit

I would like to object to the vote made by this user. It is as follows:

Lacks innovation because most sins use that skill combo, and gave it a 3 because it is inferior to the shadow prison assassin. (SoS has a 30 second recharge, and A/W shadow prison can shut down a caster just as effectively with a quick knockdown from Horns of the Ox)

The Lacking innovation part is true. However, saying that a Shadow Prison assassin can shut down a monk with nothing but Horns of the Ox is nothing if not laughable. Horns of the Ox will disable a caster for 1 second IF and only if, that caster is not adjacent to any allies, and then you don't have deep wound. You could add Impale, but then you would lose your self heal or Resurrection Signet, neither of which are viable options. His statement is preposterous and shows an obvious lack of experience. VegaObscura 10:08, 19 July 2007 (CEST)

His rating needs to be removed. This scores 4.45, i'm marking this as Great. Kyrax 21:08, 20 July 2007 (CEST)
"Great" is covered from 4.5 to 5, so this belongs in "Good" for now, until the next proper vote comes in. His comment is perfectly valid, so I wouldn't bother. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 21:11, 20 July 2007 (CEST)
His comment is far from perfectly valid, it is the perfect opposite of the truth. VegaObscura 01:44, 21 July 2007 (CEST)
You're either reading the wrong comment, of have no idea of what "Valid" means. He decided not to give innovation poince because all sins use that combo; that's a perfectly valid statement. In his eyes, it's inferior to the SP sin, which can (and is mostly) true. He dislikes the recharge on SoS as well, and favors the KD from HotO more than using up an elite slot. He sees it that way, so that's completely fine. Anyways, I don't see what you're whining about; this build is still in the "Good" category. A vote saying something like "Restful Breeze sucks" would be something invalid. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 02:36, 21 July 2007 (CEST)

Anti Melee Edit

At the moment SoS is acting as an anti caster spell, but if you put Siphon Strength instead, it can become an anti melee build - tell me if you think this is stupid :S--RHCP Fan1 00:50, 21 July 2007 (CEST)

There's no need for an antimelee assassin in the specified areas. Whether it would work or not I don't know, but in RA and TA all you have to do is eliminate the enemy monk before they eliminate yours. OR if neither team has a monk, just kill them off before they kill you. VegaObscura 01:44, 21 July 2007 (CEST)

nerfed Edit

Black Lotus Strike =(. Someone change it so its not so impossible to run.--The Gates Assassin 01:11, 19 November 2007 (CET)

Black mantis, jungle, trampling, impale. Or BLS > offhand of choice, pref wild > horns or twisting. Swiftslash \\ Impale (contributions *sandbox) 15:56, 19 November 2007 (CET)
Neither of those combos kill a target with more than 500 health, and I can't find any 4 attack combo that can, so I guess this build is dead.

KDs are good too Edit

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Also, there's no point vote purging archived builds. Tycn 19:31, 28 December 2008 (EST)

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