Build:A/W Shadow Blossom Frenzy bad. Flurry or Tiger Stance good. Shido 16:28, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

This was edited by Eronth for some reason, changing it back. Swiftslash \\ Impale 19:28, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
My revision left it the same as how you have it now. I'm actually not sure what i did to it. Eronth 20:33, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
EDIT: I found what i did, i made tiger stance display itself at level 0 rather than show 4..9..10 in the skill description Eronth 20:35, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
LOL flurry? so the already pathetic regular attacks can get even more pathetic?

I added a variant saying that Siphon Speed could go with it. It is good to use while Shadow Prison is recharging, or to stop an enemy from following your monk around. (I actually had to use it like this... Hit one with Siphon Speed, the other with Shadow Prison... It went wonderfully! Edit: It was already there... =/ --User Frvwfr2 signature frvwfr2 (talk)(contributions) 22:22, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Is Arcane Thievery a counter? --User Frvwfr2 signature frvwfr2 (talk)(contributions) 18:03, 19 May 2007 (CEST)

@above anon... flurry only reduces regular atks dmg, bonus dmg is unaffected. ~~User Frvwfr2 signature frvwfr2 (talk···contributions) 05:19, 20 May 2007 (CEST)

But there's simply no need, TS's recharge even matches perfectly with Shadow Prison. Tycn 05:32, 20 May 2007 (CEST)

Why not use Burst of Aggresion...yes it requires NF but IMO a much better skill than tiger's stance...especially seeing as sins dont use andrenaline...atleast not this build.~Ashvirenza

It got nerfed to 2...9 seconds. The spike needs at least 4 seconds to get the full benefit of the speed boost, so you can't use BoA. LavaEdge324 08:53, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
My bad...didnt even realize the attribute thing...I was only looking at max duration and Tiger Stance duration...sorry for my above comment.~Ashvirenza
You madea mistake... don't be sorry. - Skakid9090 14:29, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Checked and Reviewed

For Viability. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 06:53, 7 June 2007 (CEST)


Its featured! NOOO! I have Conjure Nightmare on me! --NYC Elite 17:03, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

What, no thanks! No appreciation any more :P... Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 17:34, 15 June 2007 (EDT)
Lol. Quick, hide it, before more start using it! /beg --NYC Elite 17:41, 15 June 2007 (EDT)


I swear this build is like a new toucher--everyone either plays one or hates them. Or both. Very effective, though. Reason.decrystallized 10:10, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, but these have easier counters. Insidious Parasite/Empathy FTW! Mending Touch works REALLY well too... Just make sure you get Deep Wound... ~~ User Frvwfr2 signature frvwfr2 (talk · contributions) 12:56, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Or just killing them since they rarely have any more than feigned neutrality or shadow refuge for defense/healing. --Edru viransu 13:08, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Or interrupt their combo, or use Mind Freeze/Icy Shackles, or blind them, or laugh at them. So many counters, and Touchers are no different. --NYC Elite 14:03, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

i played this build for awhile...thought it was pretty cool. But it felt so unoriginal. oh yeah and it can't heal itself for beans. very powerful offense but I would have to say flurry over tigers considering the just sorta little tiny issue of a 20 second recharge on tigers.CountKerall 07:38, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

What's wrong with the RC? It's only used for the spike anyway, which, you guessed it, takes 20 seconds to recharge. LavaEdge324 10:32, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
Tiger's is fine. If you miss, your combo is screwed anyways. And Tiger's has the same recharge as Shadow Prison. I was probably among the few that ran it during NFPE. Then, it was posted here, everyone used it, and it takes no skill really. I don't even bother touching it anymore. This build is like a Touch Ranger. Gimmicky, highly unoriginal, boring, and way too easy to play/counter. --NYC Elite 11:29, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Creator, step forth!

Whoever made this, you are a ------g genious. Period. Hands down, the best dude/dudette ever. Plz step forth so that I may worship you! MarinBloodbane 02:04, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

/Waits for thousands of noobs to appear out of nowhere and claim this 'honor', only to be zomgwtfbbqpwned by an angry mob =P --NYC Elite 02:33, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Ebon Daggers?

I've seen ebon daggers needed on plenty of builds, and I'm not really sure why they are good against warriors. Anyone care to explain? PaintballerOWNZ 03:14, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Warriors have +20AL vs Physical damage, but not vs Ele damage. Most players carry protection against Fire and Lightning damage, possibly Cold too, as al these are common and can be used by Conjure builds. Earth dmg is rarer and has no associated conjure, so few players take specific protection vs it (unless they take one of every bonus AL offhand). Egon 04:00, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
Almost nobody brings earth AL shields tbh, and even if they did, they would switch to slashing AL if they see a sin coming at em. -Auron 15:12, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
Ehm, sins are piercing. Unexist 03:55, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
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