Interesting. The options for enchantments aren't very good, though, for PvP, at least, since most sin enchants are fairly long recharge or don't last long. --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 05:18, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
- Yeah, it's a pain. Maybe BLS instead and Siphon Speed instead of an enchant? — Skakid9090 05:19, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
- Maybe, although GPS is pretty gud. Also, maybe work in Assassin's Remedy(which now seems pretty ownzzz to me) or Signet of Malice for condi removal or blind immunity(in the case of Remedy). --Edru viransu//QQ about me/sysop 05:21, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
If the target has to be out of the 'nearby' range of allies, why not just use HotO + Siphon? Basicly does the same thing as YAA but gives a better snare + less conditional kd and saves your elite slot. Hopefully I'm not missing something that makes me look utterly stupid. --Teh Uber Pwnzer 06:45, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
- No half-range, weakness (lol kidding), shouts are easier to time. — Skakid9090 21:43, 21 September 2007 (CEST)
- Yeah, shouts are a bit easier to time, but the advantages of using YAA as your elite are trivial. The radius of 'nearby' is massive compared to adjacent. Enemies have to basically be stacked on each other for adjacent range, and half range is no big deal(especially since if you don't use YAA close enough cripple wont last long enough to trigger Trampling Ox). So really, weakness(lol) and the cast time of Siphon are the only advantages. --Teh Uber Pwnzer 03:04, 22 September 2007 (CEST)
- I dunno then, for some reason I like YAA better =P — Skakid9090 16:49, 23 September 2007 (CEST)
- Yeah, shouts are a bit easier to time, but the advantages of using YAA as your elite are trivial. The radius of 'nearby' is massive compared to adjacent. Enemies have to basically be stacked on each other for adjacent range, and half range is no big deal(especially since if you don't use YAA close enough cripple wont last long enough to trigger Trampling Ox). So really, weakness(lol) and the cast time of Siphon are the only advantages. --Teh Uber Pwnzer 03:04, 22 September 2007 (CEST)
Bump. — Skakid9090 18:28, 7 October 2007 (CEST)
- i did i build almost just like this and it got 'other' hope yours does better.--
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What i think u guys are forgetting is that YAA does crippled. Without YAA, trampling ox doesnt give u a kd and you wont be able to use falling spider. that is why he has YAA and not siphon. Yaa is a ranged cripple, so it allows u to snare the enemy from farther away then with siphon speed.Klomi 00:11, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
i dont think anyone forgot that YAA! cripples...--
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Why is Critical Strikes at 14? The energy gain from critical strikes breaks at 13, and Assassin's Remedy breaks at 13, and the deep wound + bleeding only last a second longer at 14 crit. Kamer 02:51, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- Counter for weakness ;) — Skakid9090 03:15, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- What do you mean counter for weakness? Even if you still got the 13 breakpoint with weakness, you'd still be doing no damage at all. -- Nova
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- ...what? — Skakid9090 03:39, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- He's got a point, if you're going for energy or whatever just drop off weakness with assassin's remedy. Or don't. Conditions don't last long in the current meta. --Powersurge 03:59, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- ...what? — Skakid9090 03:39, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- What do you mean counter for weakness? Even if you still got the 13 breakpoint with weakness, you'd still be doing no damage at all. -- Nova
Im gonna have to echo what others have said. This build doesnt fix the problems with horns of the ox, which is people standign next to eachother. trampling ox goes around adjacent by reqqing cripple instead of aloneness.....but YAA requires the also be alone... and if they arent the combo fails. the build is good enough to be posted though, definately unique. I think the build should go in the direction of YAA + trample, and working in signet of deadly corruption or soemthing... (68.63.233.200 04:10, 8 October 2007 (CEST))
- Cripple can come from other sources than YAA. Trampling Ox does more damage than Horns. Kamer 04:49, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
What is 'Balling up'?Kiteeye 05:31, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- When people group together. ۷ïεדИǺмЄŠЄ. 05:32, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
Jungle Strike
Half sec would be cool. Unsuspecting -> Jungle? — Skuld 15:27, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
- Kinda expensive, would probably have to falling lotus instead of spider. — Skakid9090 16:46, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
Fix
Too lazy to write it up Skakid...second most popular build in HB:
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gogogo. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 01:39, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
- I don't like 5 attack skills on a bar tbh — Skakid9090 01:45, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
- Too bad. It owns. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 01:46, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
- I guess, but it's HB. =) — Skakid9090 01:48, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
- Too bad. It owns. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 01:46, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
My turn
- deadly arts 12+1+1
- critical strikes 11+2
- shadow Arts 6+1
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Another SoDC build ftw! The build's broken right now. You could put in impale too.--Relyk 06:04, 16 October 2007 (CEST)
Where's all of the links?--
ChristmasTock 20:32, 20 December 2007 (EST)
Really, update to the HB version. --Readem
Variants
why dont you swap out falling lotus, put in falling spider then for the optional put in SoDC ( Signet of Deadly Corruption )Pwnted 00:27, 4 February 2008 (EST)
Other combo
The current bar is really bad. If the target is in nearby range of another foe the combo fails, if your enchantment gets removed the combo fails. Only YAA that sees play in HB is:
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Optionals: Flail -> Tiger Stance/Flurry Trampling Ox -> Horns of the Ox Dash -> Dark Prison 217.123.90.140 09:10, 8 March 2008 (EST)