Archive talk:A/any PvE Dagger Spammer

Olook, I just won PvE without even using a damn elite. Enjoy it for a month or two. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 03:49, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Jagged strike is bad in PvE :/ Drahgal Meir 03:50, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

a 1/2sec attack with a 1sec recharge is good no matter where the hell you are. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 03:55, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

With an IAS just use golden fox strike tbh. Drahgal Meir 03:57, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Golden Fox strike will slow down DB spam? BLUE LAZERSEat It 04:01, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

4s recharges suck, and also IIRC IAS's affect the activation time of .5s attacks too, so it's more like 1/3sec attacks. Jagged Strike >>>>> every other lead here. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 04:04, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

if you use moebius strike, you wont need a fast recharging lead attack--Relyk 05:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Actually... This build does only marginally less DB than MS/DB. At the same time, it attacks faster than MS/DB... and even faster than locust's fury. Tbh, this build is pretty amazing, especially with lots of damage buffs. All of the upsides of MS/DB and locusts with no downside and more flexibility. Try it out. I've been using this build with Fox's Promise as my elite. --User:Thc 08:06, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

This should deal more damage than MS>DB even without buffs, and if you add SoH it should be like twice the DPS of MS>DB. Also, Magehunters should be good for the extra .5s attack for faster attack speed if you don't need Fox's Promise or Flashing Blades.. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 14:18, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Without buffs MS/DB does more damage than this, not by much but it does more. Because of the 3 second recharge of Fox Fangs this deals less AoE aswell. Not sure about Magehunters, I'd probably take something more useful to be honest. Devika 17:49, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

So barely less DPS for retarded synergy with buffs and SY. Everyone brings Barbs, which is more than enough to push it past MS>DB's DPS. I mentioned Magehunter just because Thc tried to get it out of optionals. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 18:52, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Nooo this has higher dps then MS/DB while the target is above 50% hp x,x BLUE LAZERSEat It 21:22, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

How do you figure that out when Fox Fangs has a 3 second recharge while Moebius Strike has a 2 second recharge? Jagged Strike does no extra bonus damage either. The main benefit this has is the freedom of elite choice. Devika 08:29, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well I was thinking more of the freedom of elite choice gives you higher dps unless you bring more utility...BLUE LAZERSEat It 23:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Jagged Strike may give no damage bonus but Fox Fangs does as much damage as MS does, while jaagged simply gives you another attack (therefore more damage). --Frosty Mc Admin 00:50, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

jagged is fine if you have buffs--Relyk 02:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Jagged is just the equivalent of an auto attack that inflicts bleeding tbh. What you are essentially doing is spamming Fox Fangs and Death Blossom bonus damage in an equivalent way to spamming MS/DB, but the damage is marginally less than MS/DB over time because Fox Fangs has a longer recharge time. I actually tested this on MoD and MS/DB (no buffs just straight attacks as both can take buffs anyway) squeezed past this. Again that doesn't make this bad though, the strength this has is it does comparable damage with a free elite, though you lose potential AoE. If your party knows how to ball up foes you're probably better off with MS/DB (GPS>DB>MS>DB etc), if not, or you need a specific elite for some purpose then take this. I'd actually suggest making this A/any and make the secondary free allowing more elite choice freedom for greater versatility. Especially if you have an Imbagon in your party and don't need Save Yourselves. Devika 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

The problem I have with this build is that i can't seem to find a proper elite that fits the style of the build, it's like no elite is good enough for it :s--Tyrael-- 21:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

battle rage ^^--Relyk 22:12, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

This build allows me to use Shadow Meld and still kill stuff <3-- $ɧor₮ talk 22:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Shadow meld in pve? Battle rage in pve? what?????--Tyrael-- 13:56, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Battle rage is viable in a few select warrior builds. Shadow Meld, i cant see why you would use that in general purpose pve...--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man" 14:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah but I meant in this build...--Tyrael-- 14:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Battle Rage isn't a bad idea, means you get lol Save Yourselves spam and there is less time between monstors (like, quicker c spacing!). --Frosty Mc Admin 15:44, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ok man read the description : "For 5...17...20 seconds, you move 33% faster and gain double adrenaline from attacks. Battle Rage ends if you use any non-adrenal skills. " And your main attack skills are non-adrenal so will cancel BR....--Tyrael-- 17:10, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

pretty much for getting to the next guy and while you wait for fox fangs to recharge--Relyk 17:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

You could just use Dash and save your elite skill. Devika 22:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Backbreaker in PvE? WHAT?--Tyrael-- 10:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

@Devika: Uh huh, and then what would you replace for an elite? Or of course, you could be hawt and go without one altogether. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 14:13, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

You could change critical eye for way of the assassin for the + crit chance, but then again you lose the +1 e on crit, just an idea...--Tyrael-- 15:05, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

No need for an IAS tbh.-- $ɧor₮ talk 15:08, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Critical Agility says hai. Also, they mentioned WotA for the additional chance of landing a critical hit, not for it's (crappy) IAS. Spaggage talk 16:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Wut. He meant there is no need for IAS, as in there shouldn't be one. I agree. --Carnivorous Cupcake 18:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

CA is too fucking good to pass up. More attacks, more armor, and better than any other skill that might replace it. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 18:59, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

IMO optional, "BUH!", "IATS!", CA.--72.189.82.222 19:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

CA still speeds up death blossom and gives extra armor, so definately worth staying in the build--Tyrael-- 22:30, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Someimtes I bring Ursan as an elite to relive old memories. 2 skill bars is sexy.--Gl0ry Check out my Dumb PvE Ideas! 21:57, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

All 3 PvE skills are pretty solid, so I have trouble using any other PvE skills for the optional slot. I've been running this with a spiritway team lately and using Temple Strike there. It makes for very fun h/h runs of Glint's Challenge... --Dfscott 16:13, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Actually in theory this only deals 5 DPS less than DB/MS (not a whole lot). This is according to the Master of Damage though. It does have the advantage that it frees up your elite slot. Rada Arashi 03:41, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

INSERT SEEPING WOUND TO RETAIN LOST DPS! ---Chaos is gay - 13:04, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

This doesn't do a better job than ms/db at spamming db (as in frequency) but it has more attacks per second so if you use it with barbs and soh you get absolutely insane damage output. --Carnivorous Cupcake 11:51, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Oh how long that has been argued for Locust's Fury.--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man" 12:13, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

This is admittedly a lot better than LF. LF without buffs had very little DPS (maybe 20-30, even with AScan), while this has barely less than MS>DB (like, 90 DPS). Also, this actually attacks even faster than LF, and about 80% faster than MS>DB. That means that every buff you put on this will be 80% more effective than if put on MS>DB. That's HUGE, considering 80% of SoH is 19.2 (or an extra 19.2 DPS that MS>DB wouldn't get). In fact, with SoH alone and considering AScan, you're adding ~78 DPS to this build.. I don't see any other physical build even coming close to a number like that (besides possibly critscythe). -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 17:08, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Feels terrible seeing MS go isn't it? --Carnivorous Cupcake 19:42, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Though, JS.. is worse at pumping out DBs, which is a disadvantage when facing bunched up mobs (which you should). --Carnivorous Cupcake 19:51, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

It's not that much more often. It's about .5s faster than this. That's not enough to level the playing field. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 19:55, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Depends. --Carnivorous Cupcake 20:18, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Needs Rush --GodofJur 02:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Why the fuck would you run 25% non-partywide IMS in PvE? Shazzydiddles 03:22, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

cause dash costs energy--Relyk 03:36, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

takes too long changing targets and chasing kiting foes --GodofJur 04:53, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Or you do PvE the right way with tons of AoE and snares. Shazzydiddles 07:10, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

This build is so strong. Pimpstronghand 03:53, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

except it doesnt have crit agility mainbar so no--Relyk 09:02, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

This is like Empathy. Use to win PvE. Just vanquished Cantha in like 4 seconds. D: I don't know if you can superwin PvE, but this + SoH smite monk comes close. :) LessQQmorePewPew 20:37, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Post Update

I know it hasnt happened yet, but after the update this will be an incredibly viable build. (be sure to look at the proposed changes and not what pvx lists. <pvxbig> [build prof=Assassin/Warrior][Asuran Scan][Jagged Strike][Fox Fangs][Death Blossom]["Fear Me"][Soldier's Stance][Optional][Save Yourselves][/build] </pvxbig>Ele Masmar 21:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

After what update? 21:44, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Like i say, hasnt happened yet, but this is what they have proposed, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Skill_update_previews/20100219Ele Masmar 21:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Go Warrior primary tbh. More advantages, can go 8+1 tactics etc., sins don't need the extra crits from fear me. --Short 22:38, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Warriors wont have the energy, no WE Ele Masmar 23:15, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Crit agility gives you an additional 25 armor and 33% IMS, whats the point... --Frosty 23:53, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

That you have an almost unstrippable IAS and huge block, along with high crit chances, fear me is just the shout shosen due to the crit increase and (if they keep the cost to 4 adren) its easy to maintain Ele Masmar 23:56, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Seems like a wasted elite if you ask me, you can take crit defences if you really want blocking... --Frosty 23:56, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Still, crit defenses and agility are always gunna be on top, meaning theres a high chance that with any enchant removal they'll be removedEle Masmar 00:00, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's PvE, nobody cares about that risk, mobs are too random. Your stance might just as well be stripped. There is a counter to everything. --Chaos? -- 00:03, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

True, but if the update comes out as theyve shown, i think this is a viable build that will be able to fit in the variantsMasmar 00:08, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

This would probably be the best option tbh. Life Guardian 00:07, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

&There are far less skills commonly encountered that remove stances than those that remove enchantsMasmar 13:10, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

If Fear Me gets buffed for PvP, then lol@hammer warriors. 21:37, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Variation?

Could one possibly:

• Change the lead to [gw:Golden Fox Strike|Golden Fox Strike] for extra damage(And unblockable)
• POSSIBLY Change the off to [gw:Wild Strike|Wild Strike] for another unblockable and stance removal.
• Add [Palm Strike|Palm Strike] to help somewhat nullify interrupts, keep an almost constant cycle (It works. Even with 33% IAS, tested it), spam DB maybe even a little more, and to deal armor ignoring damage

For a possible variation? To make: <pvxbig> [build prof=Assassin/Warrior Dagger=12+1+1 Critical=12+1][Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom][Asuran Scan][Palm Strike][critical eye][critical agility]["Save Yourselves!"][/build] </pvxbig> Thoughts? I'm rather noob at making builds but I thought this would do better damage. 58.175.213.47 09:17, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

The 1/2 activation attacks result in more attacks per second. This is especially significant with buffs like SoH and Barbs, and building adrenaline for SY. Golden Fox and Wild also have longer recharges than Jagged and Fox Fangs. If you aren't using Jagged→Fox Fangs→DB you should probably use MS/DB. ToraenTheJanitor 21:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)