Olook, I just won PvE without even using a damn elite. Enjoy it for a month or two. --
Jaiwritesalot . . . 03:49, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Jagged strike is bad in PvE :/ Drahgal Meir 03:50, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- a 1/2sec attack with a 1sec recharge is good no matter where the hell you are. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 03:55, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- With an IAS just use golden fox strike tbh. Drahgal Meir 03:57, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Golden Fox strike will slow down DB spam? BLUE LAZERSEat It
04:01, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- 4s recharges suck, and also IIRC IAS's affect the activation time of .5s attacks too, so it's more like 1/3sec attacks. Jagged Strike >>>>> every other lead here. --
Jaiwritesalot . . . 04:04, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- if you use moebius strike, you wont need a fast recharging lead attack--Relyk 05:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Actually... This build does only marginally less DB than MS/DB. At the same time, it attacks faster than MS/DB... and even faster than locust's fury. Tbh, this build is pretty amazing, especially with lots of damage buffs. All of the upsides of MS/DB and locusts with no downside and more flexibility. Try it out. I've been using this build with Fox's Promise as my elite. --User:Thc 08:06, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- This should deal more damage than MS>DB even without buffs, and if you add SoH it should be like twice the DPS of MS>DB. Also, Magehunters should be good for the extra .5s attack for faster attack speed if you don't need Fox's Promise or Flashing Blades.. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 14:18, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Without buffs MS/DB does more damage than this, not by much but it does more. Because of the 3 second recharge of Fox Fangs this deals less AoE aswell. Not sure about Magehunters, I'd probably take something more useful to be honest. Devika 17:49, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- So barely less DPS for retarded synergy with buffs and SY. Everyone brings Barbs, which is more than enough to push it past MS>DB's DPS. I mentioned Magehunter just because Thc tried to get it out of optionals. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 18:52, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Nooo this has higher dps then MS/DB while the target is above 50% hp x,x BLUE LAZERSEat It 21:22, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- How do you figure that out when Fox Fangs has a 3 second recharge while Moebius Strike has a 2 second recharge? Jagged Strike does no extra bonus damage either. The main benefit this has is the freedom of elite choice. Devika 08:29, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- Well I was thinking more of the freedom of elite choice gives you higher dps unless you bring more utility...BLUE LAZERSEat It 23:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- Jagged Strike may give no damage bonus but Fox Fangs does as much damage as MS does, while jaagged simply gives you another attack (therefore more damage). --Frosty Mc Admin 00:50, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- jagged is fine if you have buffs--Relyk 02:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Jagged is just the equivalent of an auto attack that inflicts bleeding tbh. What you are essentially doing is spamming Fox Fangs and Death Blossom bonus damage in an equivalent way to spamming MS/DB, but the damage is marginally less than MS/DB over time because Fox Fangs has a longer recharge time. I actually tested this on MoD and MS/DB (no buffs just straight attacks as both can take buffs anyway) squeezed past this. Again that doesn't make this bad though, the strength this has is it does comparable damage with a free elite, though you lose potential AoE. If your party knows how to ball up foes you're probably better off with MS/DB (GPS>DB>MS>DB etc), if not, or you need a specific elite for some purpose then take this. I'd actually suggest making this A/any and make the secondary free allowing more elite choice freedom for greater versatility. Especially if you have an Imbagon in your party and don't need Save Yourselves. Devika 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- The problem I have with this build is that i can't seem to find a proper elite that fits the style of the build, it's like no elite is good enough for it :s--Tyrael-- 21:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- battle rage ^^--Relyk 22:12, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- This build allows me to use Shadow Meld and still kill stuff <3-- $ɧor₮ talk 22:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- Shadow meld in pve? Battle rage in pve? what?????--Tyrael-- 13:56, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Battle rage is viable in a few select warrior builds. Shadow Meld, i cant see why you would use that in general purpose pve...--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man" 14:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah but I meant in this build...--Tyrael-- 14:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Battle Rage isn't a bad idea, means you get lol Save Yourselves spam and there is less time between monstors (like, quicker c spacing!). --Frosty Mc Admin 15:44, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Ok man read the description : "For 5...17...20 seconds, you move 33% faster and gain double adrenaline from attacks. Battle Rage ends if you use any non-adrenal skills. " And your main attack skills are non-adrenal so will cancel BR....--Tyrael-- 17:10, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Battle Rage isn't a bad idea, means you get lol Save Yourselves spam and there is less time between monstors (like, quicker c spacing!). --Frosty Mc Admin 15:44, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah but I meant in this build...--Tyrael-- 14:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Battle rage is viable in a few select warrior builds. Shadow Meld, i cant see why you would use that in general purpose pve...--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man"
- Shadow meld in pve? Battle rage in pve? what?????--Tyrael-- 13:56, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- This build allows me to use Shadow Meld and still kill stuff <3--
- battle rage ^^--Relyk 22:12, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- The problem I have with this build is that i can't seem to find a proper elite that fits the style of the build, it's like no elite is good enough for it :s--Tyrael-- 21:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
- Jagged is just the equivalent of an auto attack that inflicts bleeding tbh. What you are essentially doing is spamming Fox Fangs and Death Blossom bonus damage in an equivalent way to spamming MS/DB, but the damage is marginally less than MS/DB over time because Fox Fangs has a longer recharge time. I actually tested this on MoD and MS/DB (no buffs just straight attacks as both can take buffs anyway) squeezed past this. Again that doesn't make this bad though, the strength this has is it does comparable damage with a free elite, though you lose potential AoE. If your party knows how to ball up foes you're probably better off with MS/DB (GPS>DB>MS>DB etc), if not, or you need a specific elite for some purpose then take this. I'd actually suggest making this A/any and make the secondary free allowing more elite choice freedom for greater versatility. Especially if you have an Imbagon in your party and don't need Save Yourselves. Devika 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- jagged is fine if you have buffs--Relyk 02:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Well I was thinking more of the freedom of elite choice gives you higher dps unless you bring more utility...BLUE LAZERSEat It
- How do you figure that out when Fox Fangs has a 3 second recharge while Moebius Strike has a 2 second recharge? Jagged Strike does no extra bonus damage either. The main benefit this has is the freedom of elite choice. Devika 08:29, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- Nooo this has higher dps then MS/DB while the target is above 50% hp x,x BLUE LAZERSEat It
- This should deal more damage than MS>DB even without buffs, and if you add SoH it should be like twice the DPS of MS>DB. Also, Magehunters should be good for the extra .5s attack for faster attack speed if you don't need Fox's Promise or Flashing Blades.. --
- Actually... This build does only marginally less DB than MS/DB. At the same time, it attacks faster than MS/DB... and even faster than locust's fury. Tbh, this build is pretty amazing, especially with lots of damage buffs. All of the upsides of MS/DB and locusts with no downside and more flexibility. Try it out. I've been using this build with Fox's Promise as my elite. --User:Thc 08:06, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- if you use moebius strike, you wont need a fast recharging lead attack--Relyk 05:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- 4s recharges suck, and also IIRC IAS's affect the activation time of .5s attacks too, so it's more like 1/3sec attacks. Jagged Strike >>>>> every other lead here. --
- Golden Fox strike will slow down DB spam? BLUE LAZERSEat It
- With an IAS just use golden fox strike tbh. Drahgal Meir 03:57, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- a 1/2sec attack with a 1sec recharge is good no matter where the hell you are. --
Backbreaker in PvE? WHAT?--Tyrael-- 10:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- @Devika: Uh huh, and then what would you replace for an elite? Or of course, you could be hawt and go without one altogether. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 14:13, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- You could change critical eye for way of the assassin for the + crit chance, but then again you lose the +1 e on crit, just an idea...--Tyrael-- 15:05, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- No need for an IAS tbh.-- $ɧor₮ talk 15:08, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- Critical Agility says hai. Also, they mentioned WotA for the additional chance of landing a critical hit, not for it's (crappy) IAS. Spaggage talk 16:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- Wut. He meant there is no need for IAS, as in there shouldn't be one. I agree. --Carnivorous Cupcake 18:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- CA is too fucking good to pass up. More attacks, more armor, and better than any other skill that might replace it. -- Jaiwritesalot . . . 18:59, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- IMO optional, "BUH!", "IATS!", CA.--72.189.82.222 19:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- CA still speeds up death blossom and gives extra armor, so definately worth staying in the build--Tyrael-- 22:30, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- Someimtes I bring Ursan as an elite to relive old memories. 2 skill bars is sexy.--Gl0ry Check out my Dumb PvE Ideas! 21:57, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- All 3 PvE skills are pretty solid, so I have trouble using any other PvE skills for the optional slot. I've been running this with a spiritway team lately and using Temple Strike there. It makes for very fun h/h runs of Glint's Challenge... --Dfscott 16:13, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
- CA still speeds up death blossom and gives extra armor, so definately worth staying in the build--Tyrael-- 22:30, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- IMO optional, "BUH!", "IATS!", CA.--72.189.82.222 19:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- CA is too fucking good to pass up. More attacks, more armor, and better than any other skill that might replace it. --
- Wut. He meant there is no need for IAS, as in there shouldn't be one. I agree. --Carnivorous Cupcake
- Critical Agility says hai. Also, they mentioned WotA for the additional chance of landing a critical hit, not for it's (crappy) IAS. Spaggage talk 16:35, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- No need for an IAS tbh.--
- You could change critical eye for way of the assassin for the + crit chance, but then again you lose the +1 e on crit, just an idea...--Tyrael-- 15:05, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
