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That was prolly an active discussion, but had to be archived. ---©- (moo) -- 16:16, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

This works and all but if you do the math u need 100 minutes to get 5k factions and u need 1000 minutes to get 50kfactions wich u can get in under 50 min with mqsc. This should be rated good not great tbh

1) Sign your comments. 2) Indent your comments. 3) You can completely AFK MQSC for 12+ hours right? Spaggage talk 19:40, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
afking is how2gw ··· Danny Hates Snow 19:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
This is what you set up before going to sleep at night, or during finals week where you don't have time to actually play GW. Toraen-Gifts PlzToraenSig3 20:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Not for nothing, I think this is great while it lasts. Being a husband and a father, my GW is rather limited to playing at odd hours or very late at night. And with everything else I want to accomplish in game this is one thing less I have to worry about. It may take a while, but it's easier to AFK while I sleep or am spending family time. Than to have to take time away from questing to do speed clears. I wish there was a way to AFK feather and ecto farm, lol.Fyrfytr998 20:27, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
bots m8. ··· Danny Hates Snow 21:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a Counters section that states there may be times between waves 4,5,6,7 that foes may spawn too close to the Priest kill him. It's usually an Oni that does him in.
It only means you didnt pull him far enough before he sticks to the wall--Relyksig3 05:24, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
That's gotta be it because I haven't had that happen to me once in the 6 or 7 times I've done it. =/ ··· Danny Hates Snow 05:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Ahh I see. I did not realize there was a certain point you needed to run in.
Just run all the way to the back. He'll follow along just fine. ··· Danny Hates Snow 07:11, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
All right I see what I was doing wrong.Fyrfytr998 16:41, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
I also discovered a new counter to this build. It's called the "Wife turning off the computer because it's wasting electricity" counter. Completely shuts this build down, lol.Fyrfytr998 16:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
Dammit, Fyr. Sign your comments. Also, lol. KarateCandy!Jesus 16:43, 21 December 2009
Sorry, lol. Trying to not waste electricity, lol.Fyrfytr998 16:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
I use my computer as a space heater myself. ··· Danny Hates Snow 22:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I use mine as a footwarmer in the winter.--Ikimono "...And my axe!"Monk-Paragon-icon 19:47, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
I use mine to stalk RC and watch gay porn! ---Chaos- (moo) -- 20:36, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Where are the random IP's who come to complain about nerfs? + ℓγssάή [rage] 21:36, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Christmas shopping? :> ---Chaos- (moo) -- 21:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

lol this is so gonna be nerfed like the Mo/N boon prot build which used that bug i cant remember anymore ;) (84.176.179.114 22:05, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

The Cultist's Fervor bug where it affected all spells? Toraen-Gifts PlzToraenSig3 23:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
There you are! :D + ℓγssάή [rage] 23:09, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
hmm doesnt seem to work (anymore) 91.0.210.56 01:08, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
This still works... --- Ressmonkey (talk) 15:57, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
Doing it right now as I type this. Gonna stay at this til the nerf comes down. I mean it would only be fair to the Kurz to nerf this glitch after they took away the FFF they had, lol.Fyrfytr998 16:46, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Sebv2727's vote

If the priest doesn't do what he's supposed to, you're doing something wrong. It doesn't need perfection to work at all. Do you rate 600/Smite wrong because if you don't cast Prot Spirit you die? Did you rate it down when SB was bugged, because if you didn't watch it on the enchantment bar, you died? And in fact, you said that you can use any degen skills. That surely makes it more universal? Please, just explain the vote to me a bit more. --SaberhagenUser Saberhagen Wiki Sig(My Talk) 16:00, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr your reasonings, but 5-0 means he doesn't understand vetting policy. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 16:35, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
Removed. See reasoning. - Porororroro lauAthrunFeya - 16:50, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
Does this still work as he seems to stop following after a step 75.157.47.232 18:33, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it does. The NPC is probably healing you. Keep practicing. You'll get used to it. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 18:34, 29 December 2009

damn

had this on for a whole day and found out the guy got aggroed by one of the early mobs and died. waste of electricity lol The Verata Invert Wojo (Brb House on Fire!) 19:07, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

wtf

ok, i just did this twice in a row, i get to 40 points of afk, then i lose. idk wut it is. i got 20k faction of afk before this too, so im doin it right The Verata Invert Wojo (Brb House on Fire!) 19:22, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

kk, dunno wut i was doin wrong before but its workin now The Verata Invert Wojo (Brb House on Fire!) 03:11, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
Went from Friend (2) to Sentinel (5) since the 19th without breaking a sweat. I play while I'm up, and park him in challenge when I sleep or am working. This is awesome!Fyrfytr998 20:42, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
You're not pulling him far enough. Make sure you get all the way back into the valley area. He should be literally halfway under the bridge. ··· Danny Hates Snow 07:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Um, where's the build?--ValeV 20:05, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

A vandal ate it. Do they not realise that in two clicks, it's back? Retards. --SaberhagenUser Saberhagen Wiki Sig(My Talk) 20:24, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

to everyone who has posted what a great job this is: your mothers should have swallowed. seriously, youre so bad at GW that you have to pull this shit? sad. I sincerely hope you get permabanned for this. not even a full-fledged retard could respect this. dumbasses.

Hi, we didn't make the game easily exploitable. If you complaints along those lines, I recommend complaining to Anet. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 18:26, 29 December 2009

I hope everyone realises that it would take around 4 and a half months of nonstop 24/7 afk to get from 0 to max... another way to put it is that, it's 3000 points an hour, which is nice until you realise you need to accumulate 10000000 points for title.

Did you not read the rest of this page? You set this up before you go to sleep/work/class, and you can do SC or whatever else to work on faction when you're actually playing. ToraenTheJanitorToraenSig2 07:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

From PMs on Guru (Need to explain something)

""we didnt make the game so easy to exploit, complain to ANET." [quoting me from above]
We didnt make the bank that easy to rob. They should have had lasers.
We didnt make that old lady so easy to push down and steal her purse. She should have been sturdier.
Those Jews should have been less flammable.
you see where I'm going with this?
Just because you can exploit it, doesnt mean you should. definitely doesnt make it ok."

"its an exploit. posting exploits publically is against the eula/tos. The fact that its bullshit is beside the point and im not here to argue that point either. it does however need to be taken the fuck down."

I feel the need to explain something about this build and builds hosted here on PvX.

  1. First of all, PvX is for documenting meta builds. We don't decide whether or not a build is "ethically" or "morally" appropriate for the game. We decide whether or not it works in the current metagame, nothing else.
  2. Neither this build, nor any other build violates the EULA. This build no more violates the EULA than Shadow Form does. A good example is the henchmen contest skill bars that were pulled from here. That act didn't technically violate the EULA because builds are not considered exploitation as Anet put them into the game. All builds/strategies that follow the normal concepts of the game and do not use botting or help from a source outside of the game are not considered exploits by Anet.
  3. The suggestion that we "remove" our builds based on exploitation is not up to users. That is up to Anet, and as far as Anet cares this does not qualify as exploitation and is a healthy alternative to botting JQ or FA.

Karate KJ for sig Jesus 20:32, 29 December 2009

sounds like some retards think gw is srs bsns. ··· Danny Hates Snow 23:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I was told by fellow guild members that Anet DOES consider this a violation of the EULA and that they'd take action against any people who did this, I guess cause its a glitch? Oh well, I'm not gonna do this anymore :P72.199.117.151 03:34, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
No offense to your guild members, but they're entirely wrong. I even talked to Joe Kimmes about it, and he said that it's no more of an exploit than Shadow Form is (that's where I got that quote from). It isn't against the EULA, and if you'd taken the time to read the EULA you'd know that.
According to the EULA, nothing inside the game's normal boundaries is considered exploitative. Bots are, cheating in competitions is, but afk'ing is not. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 05:01, 30 December 2009
Oh, and no where has Anet said they would take action against this build. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 05:02, 30 December 2009
I guess my main concern is that this is a glitch, and that permaing isn't; Either way we're still waiting for a giant nerf hammer to smash SF, and that'll probably smash this too. Only time will tell.72.199.117.151 06:27, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure they'll get around to the bug that makes this possible eventually, but for the time being it's perfectly valid. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 06:31, 30 December 2009
Remove hold-out bonus and award more faction per kill is easiest way imo--Relyk talk 07:38, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Do people really still do the pve chalenge missions??? I mean come on if you can afk and take a billion hours to get max title then let them, less bad people in AB/FA/JQ and face it we dont need any more bad people there. I think your just jealous because you didnt figure it out... pocketsniper_02 09:56, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

This build has been posted on PvX since December 12th. I have been using it regularly since about the ninth. Nelson (the [BGW] Leader) has been using it for longer. He learned it from a friend months before that. I have not been banned. None of the PvXers have been banned. Nelson has not been banned. People in my alliance have not been banned. Nelson's friend has not been banned. Nor will we. --SaberhagenUser Saberhagen Wiki Sig(My Talk) 12:11, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Technically, using this build is playing the challenge. The player is supposed to keep the priest alive (check), it is also recommended that the player wait as long as possible before killing the Adepts (check). Once that is completed I try and make a stab for the uber mob. I get pwnt, but it's still fun trying. I swear, people just love running their gums for the sake of running their gums. I also love that they do so, all the while not even signing their posts.Fyrfytr998 16:04, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
This is the same kind of glitch that people used for months in Fort Aspenwood. Monks would use infuse health, and the necros at the inner gates would run after them trying to put death nova on them. The goal was to get the necros inside the green gate, because at that point the gates were impenetrable. No one was banned for using the glitch at that time, and they won't be banned now. Life Guardian 03:23, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
It's not illegal, deathleveling in pre-searing is done afk and that's required for a title. I don't see how this is different.88.159.236.245 10:13, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
We are using a build to achieve a desired result. Does that mean that the whole business with warping through portals with special builds is any different? Both builds make some goal achievable, or more easily achievable. (Like exploring an entire area with no enemies) 24.109.69.197 03:03, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Karate, where did Joe say that? I'm curious. I didn't see anything like that on his talk page, but maybe I overlooked it. --174.130.129.212 06:39, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Self-Dmg Skill Choices

After a small bit of experimentation (i.e., completely statistically irrelevant), it seems to me he's more easy to lure out with Verata's Aura (sac 33% hp) than poison heart+ sig of agony. I'm using mindbender, and he seems much more finicky with the latter (i.e., either healing or not following @ all). With the former, however, I have very little trouble getting the poor guy to follow me. Any other similar experiences? I'm adding Verata's as a possible variant. 69.249.223.63 01:14, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Letting SF expire on my assassin seemed to work better than Sig+Heart as well. Probably because large HP sac with one skill is slightly easier to do (lol1click). Toraen-Gifts PlzToraenSig3 02:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Just use OoB if you have it + another sac. 1/4 second cast 20% is super easy. ··· Danny So Cute 17:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Luxon Adepts

The next obvious step. Zos Shivros Points, 2 a minute. However (i believe) the luxon adepts become worth +1 point more each minute (+3 points every three mins i think). So you are getting 2+(1x the amount of luxon adepts. 7 or 8?) each minute... 10 points a minute... with no risk of the priest dying... you can top the high scores while afk! so as long as before you quit you kill the adepts. This will give much more faction if you top a highscore. (this is how, i think, the score in Zos Shivros are so much higher than some places). That's just the start of it though, personally i would say that the siege turtles (later waves) are among the easier foe in the mission. Come back an hour in (or so) and flag hench and heroes by their spawn points (2 or 3 of them) if you are confident that they will be able to kill two siege turtles (distracts and ps) then you are increasing your faction per minute by i don't know, say 10/20? Mr buck rogers 87.114.42.8 13:03, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

The real problem with getting high scores is max faction cap. If you wait long enough such that you are able to get a high score, your faction will already be full even if you started with 0. Nowadays, you need at least 15000 points to get a high score. At 10 points/minute, thats 1500 minutes, which if you multiply by 50 faction/minute you get 75000 faction, which is higher than any max faction cap. So its not practical to do this for high scores and faction farming. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 16:03, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
I've tried unsuccessfully to use a number of fag-defense-balls on heroes and hench. It lasts a while, but without called targets they don't last too long. =/ ··· Danny So Cute 18:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
We should duo fag defense heroes!  Thomas So Dutch  18:26, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
That would be many strongs, dearest dutchman. We shall arrange this via MSN some day. ··· Danny So Cute 23:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
i trapped the guy under the bridge with a hero sacrificer, we had 3 bonders(2 human+hero) on us 5 e/a and we just dc'd in and laid down 4 unsteady grounds in a spike and then glyph sac'd 4 churning earths and recalled out... we had buh! intensity ebon ward of wisdom. it took out most of them. i guess SH tenai heat and searing heat would work, but we just used earth magc Kbar 00:05, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's already been nerfed... within 5 minutes my characters back at ZOS

It hasnt been. Pull him ALL THE WAY BACK to the middle of the bridge, not to wherever the video shows because then he'll die. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 18:04, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
I will try to do video again and try to pull him more far away.--ValeV 14:37, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
If anyone has suggestions on a good video screen-capture software that's either lightweight, not annoying as fuck, or doesn't require an install, let me know - I've got no problem putting together a video that shows the proper way to do it. ··· Danny So Cute 14:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Go pirate something like fraps. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 23:05, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
I said good video screen-capture software. ;o ··· Danny So Cute 05:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Xfire, but i'm fairly sure it's terrible. Life Guardian 05:49, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Xfire records in worse resolution than non-HQ youtube. --Shazamrowssig 07:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
I pirated Camtasia 6 and it isn't bad. :> 209.105.200.144 05:44, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
What a good idea - tell people you pirate software, when everyone can see your IP Address. Clever. --SaberhagenUser Saberhagen Wiki Sig(My Talk) 22:46, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

actually those numbers are NOT your IP Address, they are your website assigned IP#. my random numbers do not show up as my IP Adress, as your IP Address is your Computers, the webiste assigned IP#'s are actually 1 number per Network. when i was banned (not now, duh) i proxied to get around a ban on a school computer. that got banned too. so i tried a dif one, but it was also banned, saying the same webstie-assigned IP# as the other one. so all computers in a school, walmart, Dads house, etc, where i tried, are all part of networks, so those 200+ computers from all those places there are only 3 webiste assigned IP#'s. WOO HOO for being banned to find something out xD.--Bluetapeboy 20:56, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

these are my numbers68.100.180.4. now see my first 2 #'s of my IP Address, which is:19-.---.-.- Bluetapeboy 20:59, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

This page is sooooo off topic. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 21:07, 13 January 2010
erm...yeh...192.168.something.something is you're local IP, i.e. the IP of your computer on your LAN...68.100 etc. is you're interweb IP (i.e. the one that tells people where you are). ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:17, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
besides, there's no chance anyone that would give a shit that you pirated something looks at every build page on a website that is in no way related to pirating. — Maf so rational. 23:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
not to mention, saying I sell drugs doesn't make me guilty. ··· Danny So Cute 04:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
i lol'd. ··· Danny So Cute 04:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

the dude

is he fixed? (the last update fixed a pathing bug with him supposedly). If so Archive =p. ~ PheNaxKian talk 01:09, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think he may be. Trying to do it right now and it's not working. Sadface. Spaggage talk 01:43, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
k, wait till someone else can confirm as well (just to make sure it isn't just you) ~ PheNaxKian talk 01:45, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
Confirmed. The 20100118 update nerfed this farm. --65.0.128.19 01:46, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
Lol finally XD72.199.117.151 05:17, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
Dang I was only able to get to level 8 with it. Which isn't bad seeing as I started at level 2. I can't believe this takes precedence over a skill balance update, lol.Fyrfytr998 06:30, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
I started with zero luxon...got to r8. agreed on the precedence issue ;] 207.67.40.194 14:38, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Update - Monday, January 18, 2010

Bug Fixes

   * Fixed a bug that caused Battle Priest Calibos in Zos Shivros Channel to path incorrectly. 

Doesn´t work anymore...

I removed the video. It had 15, 857 views. QQ--ValeV 13:03, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

why remove it? It's still good so people can see how it used to work. ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:19, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

<It definetely is a shame, cause we Luxons are once again unable to have a efficient faction farm place. Tell me, why not nerf Kurz ones then? The last remaining tiny island of farm would be the MQSC, which will be nerfed thanks to perma and 600/smite nerf. A desequilibrium Kurzick > Luxon have been created in the game (faction points-wise) and they don"t take a stand against it :s I only managed rank 6 since I started recently (jade quarrying during the day, and afk farming during the night). Anyway fellow Luxons, good luck!

what will we do against this desequilibrium that has no impact on gameplay whatsoever? god deliver us. — Maf so rational. 22:37, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
indeed doesnt work anymore, thank god i still got a second afk luxon farm but thats only 2800 luxon a houre and no adepts
random anon is terrible lier--Relyk talk 03:09, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
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