Talk: D/Me VoS Vaettir Farmer

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My first build... inspired by my brother, but modified by me... (his is the variant) --Timeoffire45 23:44, 23 November 2007 (CET)

Err, why? ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 00:03, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Why what? Why use his as a variant? Because both work. Why post this when there's a featured build that does what this build does in hard mode? Because that's a team build and this is a solo build. Any other questions? Or is that not what you meant? --Timeoffire45 04:43, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Why farm Glacial Stones? ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 05:20, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Cuz glacial gauntlets r coolz. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 05:22, 24 November 2007 (CET)

And rare to see, so cool +1 --- Ressmonkey (talk) 05:23, 24 November 2007 (CET)

It's sorta like asking "why farm d-cores?" (although, i do admit that glacial gauntlets have nothing on d-gauntlets)... Anywho, long story short, reason is that if you want glacial gaunlets, you can get them easily instead of trying to scrounge for every glacial stone you can... --Timeoffire45 05:50, 24 November 2007 (CET)

I have an advice : why don't we just simply run from sifhalla???? And somethin else: i got 1, I repeat : 1 glacial stone in a whole run!! Is that just my luck or what??? And how do i discuss NOT EDITING??Drilly071 12:52, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Despite the fact that someone posted the question about a year ago (over a year, actually), I'm going to reply anyway: the run from Sifhalla is simply more dangerous because you encounter more enemies (in fact, it's nigh impossible to get to the Vaettir without agroing SOMETHING). Alternatively, the run from Longeye's Ledge (if you use the provided route) allows you to run through the entirety of Bjora Marches and (usually) not encounter any foes whatsoever. --Timeoffire45 02:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

After trying your build and several slight variations of it, I have found the following to be faster and more efficient, with less chance of them getting a spell through.

<pvxbig> [build prof=D/Me ins=6 scy=11+3+1 mys=12][Vow of Silence][Mantra of Earth][Faithful Intervention][Radiant Scythe][Victorious Sweep][Eremite's Attack][Chilling Victory][Pious Haste][/build] </pvxbig>

The build works very well, and I am quite a ways into getting the gauntlets now because of it. Thanks bro! - † Lord Xivor † 18:21, 24 November 2007 (CET)

You're welcome ^.^ now rate? *hopeful* --Timeoffire45 20:49, 24 November 2007 (CET)

I was going to wait to see if you were going to make any alterations, but I guess not. I still think you should drop Wind Prayers, as Pious Haste is more than capable of handling the running. For one, there is no cast time with a stance (you are using an enchantment), and two, you have no enemies to fight and no conditions to cause to last 50% shorter. And thirdly, Pious Haste runs faster. This allows you to increase your Scythe Mastery to get more damage. Do that, and I would give a 5-5-5. - † Lord Xivor † 21:03, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Ahh, I see it in the variants now. - † Lord Xivor † 21:04, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Hehe, yup... when I saw it in your skill bar, i smacked my head (a DOH! moment...) going, "how the hell didn't I think of Pious Haste? Stupid stupid stupid... *banging head on desk each time 'stupid' is said*" Thanks for the tip ^.^ --Timeoffire45 21:20, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Mkay, so I realised how stupid it was to just keep Featherfoot Grace up on the main bar, so I took it down and replaced it with Pious Haste and reworded the build page accordingly... Hope that's better... --Timeoffire45 19:37, 25 November 2007 (CET)

Hard Mode

I had zero luck in farming in Hard Mode with this build. Thing about HM, a lot more of these Spectral Vaettir are in that area, in groups of 4-6, however, they hit for much more than this build can protect against as it is. And it cannot handle even 3 in HM. Anyone else have any luck? Maybe I just messed up. - † Lord Xivor † 21:08, 24 November 2007 (CET)

No, you didn't mess up. What you jsut encountered is the reason why the top says "In normal mode"... This build can't handle farming in hard mode for vaious reasons, the primary reason is that the Vaettir are grouped in groups of 4, which means it becomes really easy the have 8-12 vaettir up your ***. Secondly is the fact that, because of their higher level, the vaettir have more health, hit harder, have more armor (egads... as if they didn't already have enough), all of which basically makes it impossible to get a Victorious Sweep healing... so yeah... sadly, it fails in HM... there IS a build (I believe it's featured now) that's a Dual Smite build for the HM of this... Check it out if you're still interested... Oh, and thanks for the rate ^.^ --Timeoffire45 21:18, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Well, the problem with that is...my monk is level 4 and not nearly anywhere close to GW:EN yet, so I guess that is out of the question. And for some reason, I fail at Spirit Bond farming... :-/ - † Lord Xivor † 21:31, 24 November 2007 (CET)

Don't we already have a Derv Vaettir Farmer? With practically does the same thing w/o Mantra of Earth? --GuildofDeals 16:35, 25 November 2007 (CET)

No. There were only three builds that were D/Me and neither of them were for Vaettir Farming. GODLIESTalk 16:55, 25 November 2007 (CET)

In addition to the ele posted below, an Arcane Echo/Deadly Paradox/Shadow Form sin can kill all 60 vaetir on Hard Mode in under seven minutes by pulling a group of 36 and then a second group of 24 into corners and using Death Blossom. I don't see this build catching on when there are others that can farm more than four times faster with a better chance of rare drops. --Rururrur 16:26, 10 December 2007 (CET)

160AL vs Elemental Damage

I just want to give a note that the Spectral Vaettir have 160AL vs elemental damage, and from my reading, no one really knows why neither. Take notice when using weapons with elemental damage based prefix's, such as ebon, fiery, or icy scythe snathes. Also notice that this does affect the damage from Chilling Victory. I noticed it was quite lower when I was farming with it in this build. - † Lord Xivor † 19:48, 25 November 2007 (CET)

They have 160 armor, period. Its just easier to calculate armor with elemtntal. That's why this build has spammable attack skills, which arent affected by armor. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 23:04, 25 November 2007 (CET)

Ahh, I was reading about elemental damage only on GuildWiki. Maybe I misread it, but I do not believe all damage was ever mentioned there. - † Lord Xivor † 23:07, 25 November 2007 (CET)

It wasnt, but I knwo it to be true because the highest u can hit on them with a max scythe with 13 mastery is 12. Should be more like 60 vs lvl 20 mesmers. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 23:56, 25 November 2007 (CET)

why using a derv that can only in normal mode. This ele build can easy solo it in hard mode. Without any running problems. <pvxbig> [build prof=Elementalist/Mesmer earthm=12+1+2 energy=11+3 airmag=3+1 inspir=5][Stoneflesh Aura][Armor of Earth][Glyph of Swiftness][Obsidian Flesh][Mantra of Earth][Sliver Armor][Crystal Wave][Teinai's Crystals][/build] </pvxbig> Sliver armor is optionol. Dont say that vaettirs have 160 armor against elemental damage because crystal wave and teinais crystals trigger armor.

Why? Because maybe people don't want to farm on an Elementalist if they only have a Dervish that far (like myself). THink I am going to get my Elementalist that far just to farm these things? - Lord Xivor 19:07, 9 December 2007 (CET)

Actually, yes. But personally, I use Build:Team - Vaettir Butchers for extreme ownage. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2007 (CET)

Backwards

Could you do the run backwards? I'm guessing you could. Nvm, stupid question. Wasn't reading enough. --GuildofDeals 13:57, 13 January 2008 (EST)

The Screens Gallery

I realise that this is VERY MUCH SO after the fact, but because someone pointed it out (a while ago), I would like to make this annoucement about the screens: YES! I KNOW SMITING PRAYERS ARE BEING USED ON THE BAR IN THE PICTURES! YES, I KNOW THE SKILLS AREN'T EXACTLY THE SAME! The D/Mo Variant was the product of me and my brother testing for about an hour or two what worked and what didn't, and even then what worked and what worked better. After those screens were taken, I had the "AH-HA!" moment of using Mantra of Earth because I had read somewhere that Vaettir dealt earth damage. So don't go bashing the build just because a sub-standard variant works really well and the actual build works better, but the only evidence you see is of the aformentioned variant. Thank you. --Timeoffire45 21:51, 21 January 2008 (EST)

why do u use pics of ur brothers build but not ur own?? cuz im tryin this and im usin the first build and it sucks... imo this build doesnt hav enough healing even with the attack

No, the build does NOT suck. I have used the first build to farm thousands of glacial stones and I have only died 1-2 times EVER. I have made hundreds of platinum in just glacial stones with this build (when glacial stones were worth it, that is). It is a piece of cake...one of the easiest builds I have ever used. You just don't know how to use it right. - † Lord Xivor † (contribs) 07:40, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Since I haven't been on the wiki in forever and feel the need to defend my one and only 5-5-5 build (sad, I know... T.T), I'm going to reply to the person two posts up who bashed it and failed to sign their comment all at once... (nice going with that, by the way) Anyway, the reason for the mixed professions and different skills in the screens (which are taken down now anyway, but meh) was because I got some really nice drops in early testing and took screens of them for later catalouging. I was taking screens of times with various skills as well, etc, etc, and those just so happened to be some of my nicer screens of Glacial Stone drops. If you really would like me to, I can spend about half an hour farming until I get a drop of about 3-5 glacial stones in a row, post a screen, and we can all go on with our lives. As for the build supposedly failing, you might not have been putting up Faithful Intervention, you might have been using your attack skills in the wrong order, you might not have been using Victorious Sweep as much as possible; from the tone of your comment, I'd wager that you might not have been putting up Mantra of Earth in the first place if you're not having ample healing to cope with damage or you're not putting/keeping up VoS. The first one and the last two are the ONLY viable reasons why ANYONE should die short of lag or overpull; the rest are just carelessness. --Timeoffire45 02:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

January 27th Edit Concerning Damage Type Change

On the main page, you will see that someone placed an edit on January 27th saying that the damage type of these Vaettir has changed. Has this been confirmed, or can this comment be deleted? I haven't farmed these guys in NM on my Dervish, as I have been 600/smiting with my Ritualist tank for a while now. - † Lord Xivor † 12:15, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

It's (putting it mildly) complete BS. I tested it JUST now and I get 2 energy pr. hit thus making the claim absolutely false. Find whoever did that then smother said person with a stick. Seb2net (Talk) 18:36, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

Profession-wise

Doesn't it seem much smarter to use the Ele build that can do HM instead of this?Tengu 09:08, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

The ele takes 7-8 minutes to kill all vaettir. This takes only 4-5. The glacial stone drop rate is also 4 times as high in NM. So if you just wanna farm glacial stones, this is the best way to do it. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 15:47, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Good if you have a derv only, but nowhere near the best

I have to agree that the E/Me build is much more effective. I've tried both, with my Derv only killing the few Vaettir's in NM, I got nowhere near as many stones as with my Ele in HM. You also have the added benefit of the tons of golds and tomes you get in HM, making it much more profitable. In about a week I've gotten over a full stack of stones, plus I've made over 200k from selling the other drops. Each ele run takes about 5-6 minutes.

So, while I see this can be effective if you have a derv and no ele, the ele is simply much more effective for the purpose of the build, and more profitable. Chewy 12:15, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

This kinda gets more stones... --- Ressmonkey (talk) 23:46, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

They drop more stones in NM.--Reason.decrystallized 07:38, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Seems like Ele's are back in the game... Altho, I don't have one... :( Anwyn 07:31, 23 January 2009 (EST)