Archive talk:D/Mo Life Sheath Dervish

A fun effective build in RA. The element of surprise is a big help too. --EVANERGELTONUS 21:10, 25 January 2009 (EST)

d --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 21:10, 25 January 2009 (EST)

fun stuff, was this the one i posted on that talk somewhere? Gringo 21:11, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, made it into another build. Just put the other one into testing. --EVANERGELTONUS 21:13, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Normally I'm not one for faggy non-meta builds, but this is pretty awesome. _Napalm ^Flame contributions 09:01, 26 January 2009 (EST)

This is pro tbh, pretty much as much powerheal as WoH with better emanagement and condition removal--GoldenStar 17:17, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Rate nggrs --EVANERGELTONUS 17:16, 26 January 2009 (EST)

looks really fun to use but im not sure yet, will have to do some testing tommarow The X Revenger 22:05, 26 January 2009 (EST)

ZOMG

an actual vetted monkvish! JebusMcPachirisu 23:24, 26 January 2009 (EST)

not vetted yet, but if it does its because of sexy saints buildmaking. Gringo 23:26, 26 January 2009 (EST)

and there it goes. gee gee Gringo 23:32, 26 January 2009 (EST)

I just shat myself too...--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 02:06, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Okay....

Now that we're all over the amazement of a D/Mo actually getting vetted, i think we need to do something. I know it's against PvX policy, but has anyone ACTUALLY tested this? Are all these votes theorycraft, or does this actually work? Life 20:52, 27 January 2009 (EST)

I actually ran this, it's pretty decent, only prob is ppl ganking u cause u do not have as much self heal as a monk does PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 20:55, 27 January 2009 (EST)

I've actually played against these in RA, and they're pretty hard to crack due to weakness, lots of block, and lack of cond removal. crazycow 20:55, 27 January 2009 (EST)

hmmi made a point of running it for a few hours, which is why i changed attributes it needed more energy. 3 hours = 12 glads, not bad for RA i guess...Saint 20:56, 27 January 2009 (EST)

@Muffin, Vital Boon -> SoPL a lot? crazycow 20:57, 27 January 2009 (EST)

not spammable -_- PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:07, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Big enough when paired with armor sanc/life sheath that it doesnt have to be, its a huge self heal.. Saint 22:10, 27 January 2009 (EST)

not if your getting ganked 24/7 PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:13, 27 January 2009 (EST)

so nothing is holding back your offense because theyre all on you, and if you actually run it youll realize that in 4v4 its not hard to stay alive with this. Saint 22:16, 27 January 2009 (EST)

point is monk> this PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:17, 27 January 2009 (EST)

sigh, going to force me to explain? this has superior protting abilities (life sheath doesnt have to remove a condition to act like RoF), this can easily handle palm strike sins (the most meta frontliner in RA by far), this can pump out power heals (eles and other high damage characters are very common in RA, and a monk cant always handle the damage they throw out), this can handle hexes just as well, and shield of force is great defense, especially against rangers. this also has superior energy management, meaning this can hold up for a long time with no blue bar issues at all. Saint 22:22, 27 January 2009 (EST)

imo i still think monks > this PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:24, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Making me type out an entire argument and then responding with a statement and absolutely nothing to back it up is kind of stupidly non constructive. Saint 22:29, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Rule 11: All of your carefully picked arguments can easily be ignored. --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 09:18, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Aura of Thorns a viable alternative to Shield of Force? Keeps the melee off your back well, also gets +win for being an enchantment and meshing with Armor of Sanctity, and bleeding as an end effect is just bonus points. --Noobslayer

Problem then becomes rangers, who can get your SoPL down which leaves you with not enough healing, and/or warriors who will sit you on your ass =/. Saint 22:30, 27 January 2009 (EST)

ok fine here's my explanation: I deleted my pve derv and my pve monk has a voltaic spear dyed black and matching armor and looks awsome, and my pvp derv doesnt look as cool, and coolness is a vital attribute in RA PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:37, 27 January 2009 (EST)

Lingering Curse

This build is suprisingly effective, however, lingering necros are extreamly common in RA now and 1 hex remover just doesnt cut it. Even before the buff to lingering monks would typically bring 2 hex removers, but it wasn't a neccesity, now with the lingering buff 2 hex removers is mandatory. While it's exciting to see a derv healer in the great category for RA, it will probably end up in the good category because it is inferior to monks with 2 hex removers in this meta.(Timcago 23:53, 27 January 2009 (EST)).

Yes, it is hard to powerheal in excessive pressure. Mystic Regen may be able to help self-healing though. moush 00:00, 28 January 2009 (EST)

No rez Signet?

Are you going to say this build is the equivalent of a monk build that can get away without a Rez Signet? Kiteeye 01:54, 28 January 2009 (EST)

imbue health and life sheath are strong--Relyk 02:00, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Any healing build, Rit, N/Rt, Monk, Derv Healer, should not have a resurrection signet on it's bar. you loose valuable time in where you could keep the rest of your team alive and potentially get yourself spiked down in. So no, having a res signet on this bar is utterly retarded.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 04:22, 28 January 2009 (EST)

yes --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 09:16, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Lol

I tested this for the first time a few minutes ago. I put together what I could best remember from the build (which turned out to be accurate except hex removal). I only had a few minutes so I put everything together and boom.....

I actually got another win after this too but forgot to SS before I had to go. Say whatever you'd like about counters, this build packs everything needed for RA. --EVANERGELTONUS 18:01, 28 January 2009 (EST)

jebus got 7 with a patient spirit defy pain endure pain wammo, an SS from RA proves nothing :/ Frosty po! 18:05, 28 January 2009 (EST)

and its only 7 wins InfestedHydralisk 18:05, 28 January 2009 (EST)

17 with it last night..its fun bar to run =). Saint 18:07, 28 January 2009 (EST)

No I know, you guys are right. It really doesn't prove anything, but its cool that the first time I run it I get 7 in a row (we would have went a lot further if I wouldn't have had to go). Its a strong build. --EVANERGELTONUS 18:09, 28 January 2009 (EST)

iv had 21 wins with that before all the nerfs/buffs etc. RA is srs bsns InfestedHydralisk 18:11, 28 January 2009 (EST)

I got 10 first time with boon signet monk, I guess it's better than this. Oh well. - (talk) 18:10, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Interruption

Skakid9090 stated in his vote that if your signet of pious light gets interrupted, than this build becomes trash. I disagree because even if it gets d shot you still have your most powerful heal, Imbue health, and your elite heal, life sheath, to keep your teammates alive with. Also, he made it sound as if any decent ranger can easily d shot SOPL, which is nonsense because he is forgetting that you are supposed to keep guardian up on yourself at all times when facing rangers because it reduces a rangers chance of d-shotting you to 50% (it’s probably more like 10% for the average RA ranger). Magebane is the exception here, but you rarely run into a Magebane ranger in RA. The vast majority of rangers are BA turrets on the international servers, or some stinking pile of crap build on American servers. If you believe that interruption is significant enough to give this build a 3, than explain how interruption is 2 points more serious for this build, than the vetted great WoH builds.(Timcago 18:18, 28 January 2009 (EST)).

I generally agree with you, although I wouldn't have the attention span to write that much. --EVANERGELTONUS 18:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)

tl;dr. does SoF block magebane..? just wondering, doubt it . Saint 18:21, 28 January 2009 (EST)

I'd guess no. Who runs magebane in RA anyway. If you get hit by that, its just unlucky imo. --EVANERGELTONUS 18:24, 28 January 2009 (EST)

it does not, but weakness is still applied --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:30, 28 January 2009 (EST)

hiidshottedurguardian. ska's points are valid in a sense that you lose some of your healing and all of your preprotting. i don't know if that warrants a 3-3 but you have to realize guardian is a 1 sec cast too and is d shot food. you should be spamming guardian on yourself, you should be using it to pre prot. and saying that you rarely run into magebane rangers in RA does not make your build good. a counter is a counter. and i do magebane in RA a lot.-WaffleZ LOL- 18:35, 28 January 2009 (EST)

i herd dshot gets blocked by shield of force if the derv isnt retarded --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:36, 28 January 2009 (EST)

so i herd there are more physics in RA InfestedHydralisk 18:41, 28 January 2009 (EST)

(EC)lol shield of force is maintable amirite? betting that every shield of force you cast is gonna block d shot is retarted. there are other people that will be attackinglol. sure it will happen every now and then. it has a 12 second recharge so you can't use it before every guardian. i'm not bashing this build, i personally think it's fine.-WaffleZ LOL- 18:43, 28 January 2009 (EST)

because RA rangers are always good enough to reflex dshot guardian --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:44, 28 January 2009 (EST)

It's hard to miss a 1s cast on your home server with RtW and flail. — Skakid Rally- kupo! 18:51, 28 January 2009 (EST)

It's RA. --EVANERGELTONUS 19:04, 28 January 2009 (EST)

You would have to be autistic to miss a 1s cast with rtw + flail--GoldenStar 19:12, 28 January 2009 (EST)

True, I've seen some pretty horrible rangers over the years though. --EVANERGELTONUS 19:14, 28 January 2009 (EST)

So I hurd

that d-shotting WoH makes you lose games too, is this true?--GoldenStar 18:46, 28 January 2009 (EST)

It's a lot harder to dshot a 3/4 cast than a 1s cast. — Skakid Rally- kupo! 18:50, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Still not very hard. Stand next to the WoH monk and have a good ping. Or just bring RtW and flail if you're bad at interrupting, with those two anyone can d-shot WoH--GoldenStar 19:02, 28 January 2009 (EST)

It's incredibly easy to d-shot WoH. Which is just sad.--66.192.104.10 19:26, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Just got 11 straight again. The part i like most is the energy management. You dont run out of energy unless you're under extreme pressure. That then allows you to heal and prot your teammates. You guys really need to play this. --EVANERGELTONUS 21:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)

its in Great and you sound like youre complaining lol. Saint 21:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)

I'm raving about it. I can't get enough of this build. I'm telling the 4-4 voters to go try it and they'll see why this should be 5-4. Call me what you will, but I'd rather run this over a WoH monk in arenas anyday. --EVANERGELTONUS 21:22, 28 January 2009 (EST)

lol you can't dshot woh easily. --Readem 09:46, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Variants include divine healing to replace cure, cure for vig, sor for cure. Atts are all heal and divine + 8 tactics. --Readem 10:03, 29 January 2009 (EST)

the point im trying to make isnt that woh is so easy to dshot, its that with 2 blocks, 2 1/4 casts, and a free casting signet which you can cancel with, you should be able to get around RA rangers. Saint 10:09, 29 January 2009 (EST)

The point I am trying to make is that RA is stupidly easy, and can be won with virtually anything. The above bar is superior anyways. --Readem 10:14, 29 January 2009 (EST)

ra rangers spam rupts like the head-on commercial PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 12:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)

true statement is true. ---Chaos- 12:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)

i noticed that above bar contains no condi removal. JebusMcPachirisu 16:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)

^ as i scrolled down i noticed that. drop one of the hex removals for mend touch perhaps.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 16:32, 29 January 2009 (EST)

let's run up to our frontliners and poke them. range is a good thing. ---Chaos- 16:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Chaos you theorycraft waaaay too much Frosty po! 16:39, 29 January 2009 (EST)

I'm chronic, help me. ---Chaos- 16:42, 29 January 2009 (EST)

the only semi-decent condition removal is dismiss (And only if you have vig spirit). everything else is rather shitty and should not take the place of additional hex removal. vigorous spirit is probably one of the best skills in the game. --Readem 17:15, 29 January 2009 (EST)

PC solving 20s disable

Dshot when you have 1 enchantent disables it for 20 seconds. If you use the excuse "always have 2 enchants before using SoPL", then you're dumb. — Skakid Rally- kupo! 16:48, 29 January 2009 (EST)

You are supposed to have Guardian up at all time, you probably going to have Armor and Boon on you too but these are just assumptions I dont play pvp its boring. --Anonimous. D: 16:53, 29 January 2009 (EST)

I heard that RA has a system that forces at least 1 ranger with dshot into every RA match.....oh, wait....It's tagged for RA, don't worry about it. 16:53, 29 January 2009

Maintaining Guardian on yourself pretty much defeats the object of having it. And stop the PvP/PvE trolling, it got old several weeks ago. Tab 16:55, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Yea...maintaining guardian permanently on yourself is kinda stupid.... 16:56, 29 January 2009

Think so and Im not trolling. --Anonimous. D: 17:00, 29 January 2009 (EST)

ska i dont remember where but werent you once plugging for "sopl is free to cancel as much as you want"? Saint 17:18, 29 January 2009 (EST)

User:PvESkadiddly — Skakid Rally- kupo! 17:24, 29 January 2009 (EST)

I heard that a counter is a counter, and i think rangers with d shot are prevalent enough in RA to warrant them being a counter to this build.-WaffleZ LOL- 17:30, 29 January 2009 (EST)