glowstone--Relyk 21:03, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Added to optionals Thirty9thWord of Healing 21:07, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Though, the benefit is marginal with 0 energy storage weeeee Thirty9thWord of Healing 21:08, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
which is why ele primary is better--Relyk 21:23, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Not really, me primary means you never get rupted, and lyssa's means pro spam. --Frosty Mc Admin 21:24, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Well maybe there's a hint of sarcasm there. But still, I've had quite a bit more success with the mes primary precisely for that reason. If you can't get the chain off, a ranger is gonna lolown you. Thirty9thWord of Healing 21:26, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I was actually being srs. --Frosty Mc Admin 21:30, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Woot. I don't think I'd go ele primary at all: Would you really sacrifice fast casting for some extra energy from Glowstone? I didn't think so. Thirty9thWord of Healing 21:32, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
wont waste your elite skill slot--Relyk 21:35, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Which you would use for....? It already has weakness, blindness, knock-downs and pew pew domoge. What else do you want? Thirty9thWord of Healing 21:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Relyk almost every ele utility bar you can run on a mes is better on a mes. That's why glowstone/glowing ice were nerfed in the first place. --Shazzydiddles 21:42, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
5 sec recharges arent pewpew. la is just a waste imo--Relyk 22:08, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
Cause LA Water had lots of spells under 5 recharge. --Frosty Mc Admin 22:15, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
they also are useful by themselves--Relyk 22:29, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
I guess skill synergy is no longer a viable reason for a build? Thirty9thWord of Healing 22:36, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe add Kinetic Armor (constant Armor gain) to optionals? 15:15, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

I pray to god that Anet nerfs the shit out of this, and delete mesmers from all pvp! :D gosh that would be so awsome. 16:54, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
I love my Ele, don't get me wrong, but this build needs the nerf-bat, and fast... this is pretty much a ranged hammer warrior with infinite instant adrenaline, constant weakness and blinds, and a good self heal. I am honestly more afraid of mesmers carrying this than VoR now Kurotou Shadestryke 21:52, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


is ether feast mbar'd? jw. ~iffy

I'm an arena freak and I like splitability. I guess I could put it in optionals... but what would you suggest replacing it with if you did away with it? Honestly, I'm open to suggestions. Thirty9thWord of Healing 22:13, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Magnetic Surge for more domoge..? Thirty9thWord of Healing 22:18, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Drain/Insp Ench, Insp Hex? Swiftslash Impale 22:29, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Etherfeast is a tiny bit of energy denial and a self heal... A little bit of utility. Have that or what Swiftslash said.--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man"Monk-Paragon-icon 23:07, September 27, 2009 (UTC)
Ebon Hawk Stoning Ash Blast Lyssa's Aura Earth Attunement Ether Feast Eruption Churning Earth

currently running this in FA, ment to support turtles, kill runners, and kill in general. Found no real counters besides ranger rupt spam and smart mesmers(and protection spam :() 00:58, October 12, 2009 (UTC) Karate KJ for sig Jesus 01:23, 12 October 2009
lol.. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 07:59, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, lol, no.. Like Jesus said... Shia

pwned... pwned... pwned...pee'd on... pwn... craped on.. pwned... tats what i was like on a team with all wars... there were me and another b-surge ele... L Oo Pe R68.227.202.180 20:12, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

All the variants I see of this use terribly bad skills :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:13, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Another bad one? Seeing U want spammer... I give you spammer...

Ebon Hawk Echo Arcane Echo Stoning Ash Blast Drain Enchantment Ether Feast Optional

Shia78 20:28, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

No. It's bad. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:32, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
I already said it was bad... But anyhow, this is my point to take the conclusion that this sucks hardcore.... Shia78 20:54, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
Right, but indenting comments then putting a minibar without indent screwed over headssss. Owell. The mainbar is good, I don't get what's with all the terrible suggestions. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 21:09, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

This is so annoying to monk against. If your not on your ass half the time your frontliners are yelling cause they are permablind.Wynne 23:13, October 13, 2009 (UTC)Wynne

its pretty easy to dodge, unless ur team lets the squishy stand next to their monk and train the monk--Relyk 23:38, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
try dodging it when you're trying to dodge a warrior. Hard to do both at the same time.--Ikimono"...And my axe!"Monk-Paragon-icon 23:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
Glyph of Swiftness would make it harder to dodge as well. You could use it on your enchants as well. Seems like it might be a good optional. 00:29, October 14, 2009 (UTC)Wynne

Kinetic armor

With weakness and blind. Overkill on the defense, maybe? I don't like on mainbar. I put it in optionals. Thirty9thWord of Healing 21:42, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

+68 armor is too good to ignore in a build like this where it can be easily maintained. Allows it to take damage like a tank. Fiendly Fire 22:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Tbh, it probably should be optional'd. Not because it isn't awesome (which it is), but because this build is also tagged for CM...and having an 8 second enchant in arenas that big is probably a bad idea. Imo, either remove the CM tag or make Kinetic optional. It just isn't needed in CM. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 23:33, 15 October 2009
make a note to switch it for cm, like we do with res sigs for ab.FMK- 00:13, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Non physical damage also exists...--Ikimono "...And my axe!"Monk-Paragon-icon 00:39, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Correct, this mes could use some protection against searing flooms and MB as well... Dream Traveler Haru 00:44, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Put in optionals and note to take for RA, and note unneeded for CM where you don't give a fuck if you die.... Shazzydiddles 01:30, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

fixed--Relyk 02:01, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Stone striker + mantra of earth?? Smity Smitingtontalk2me 16:53, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

ukiddingamiright? +68 armor is better; you don't need the energy from mantra either. Fiendly Fire 03:18, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
stone striker+mantra=no attune needed!--Relyk 09:04, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
According to wiki mantra of earth reduces all damage, even from armor ignoring sources. Smity Smitingtontalk2me 14:26, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
i recently looked at such a skill and it just happens to mention such in the description--Relyk 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
I meant stone striker claims that it only converts elemental and physical damage to earth damage, but it actually converts all. Smity Smitingtontalk2me 00:43, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
sorry if i thought u were talking about mantra then :<--Relyk 02:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

It won't replace Attunement, it's not like people are gonna attack you so you can energy 24/7, especially with shutting down those who attack you. Lol. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 14:43, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't replace attunement, I would replace Kinetic armor. Smity Smitingtontalk2me 15:01, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Kinetic Armor reduces more damage than mantra does and the energy isn't needed. Armor ignoring damage isn't that common in RA either. Fiendly Fire 15:14, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
There is alot of mesmer shit in RA, but ur right Kinetic reduces most damage by about 20% more than mantra does. Mantra+Stone Striker could be a good variant to Kinetic armor IMO because it is highly effective at reducing damage, reduces all damage, and provides additional energy management, which don't be a pompous, can always be good thing (Earth Attunement removed, interupted, list goes on and on, plus there are times when this build doesnt' have the energy to be able to meet the demand of constant spamming when ur getting lucky on your halves skill recharges). Smity Smitingtontalk2me 18:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Mantra + Stone Striker doesn't reduce all damage. --Frosty Frostcharge 18:10, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
According to wiki it actually does. Key word is damage, ofcourse it doesn't reduce life stealing and health loss. Smity Smitingtontalk2me 19:06, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
People are just going to stop trying to kill you until you are the last one standing tbh, and stance removals are more commonly found than enchantment removals, strangely. Lightningbolt siguɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 06:43, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Life runs brave dev hammer with wild throw :> Life Guardian 08:34, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
lier, and the only stance removal in ra is a sin bringing wild strike for some reason.--Relyk 08:49, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't reduce Armor Ignoring damage, but it does reduce all types of damage (physical, elemental, dark, chaos, holy, shadow). Me and Thunda tested it, E-Surge did teh domages. --Frosty Frostcharge 11:19, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
Would u say it's worth listing in variants? Smity Smitingtontalk2me 16:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

It's a bad skill that is used to cover Lyssas every time lyssas renews it renews on top 05:34, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yea +68 armor and cover enchant for Lyssa is horrible Fiendly Fire 13:24, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
It's bad because meta Soul Barbs screws you up. Nowait. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 14:16, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
I lol through these mesmers with my sa ranger, same with ss rits, and wota sins, pretty much anything enchanted dependent gets lol'd by mah SA ranger :)Ajsnuker 17:45, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Okay that's great. + ℓγssάή [rage] 17:42, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
That means people are bad. You don't do crap when you're blinded. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 18:58, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Ummm... If he is a R/A I would assume that antidote sig is on his bar... and then you are right, people WOULD be bad for blinding him in the first place... rangers can lol through just about any condition, they would be better placed elsewhere Kurotou Shadestryke 22:09, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
The R/A build they are talking about is this, which almost no one uses antidote sig with. Fiendly Fire 23:16, November 13, 2009 (UTC)


I don't much care for the 3.0. Just because an idiot can use it doesn't mean the build is bad either. Can someone delete that entry? It's unwarranted. If it at least had some evidence backing it up, I'd say fuck all and leave it. Thirty9thWord of Healing 06:51, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

I think you didn't actually comprehend the point in his vote. And, well, he has proven to be a better player, and he's entitled to vote a little off. He'd be a buildmaster if he wouldn't involve himself in arguing, if people weren't afraid that he'd rage again, and hadn't he resigned from the post earlier. The build isn't great but even though good players can counter it, it's not horrible, because lol RA-players. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 10:53, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
Even I can counter it. gg.  Thomas So Dutch  11:28, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
You are strong and brave, of course you do. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:56, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
Very well, it stands. If he has a reputation, I'm sure he has a good reason for voting the way he did. Thirty9thWord of Healing 18:52, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
So easy, you just dodge/spear untill dchop is charged, dchop stoning and gg.  Thomas So Dutch  14:34, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
wow i hate this and love it, love runnin it, hate ahgainst it, it wtf killed my WS derv.... rly annoying... i didnt even get it to 450 HP... also why isnt this great? its completely Meta all over everywhere-- 14:11, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Because I can strafe Ebon Hawk or Stoning, and dshot the following skill. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 14:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
now that it's popular, the counters to it are becoming much more well known and lower its effectiveness. 20:49, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Loltouchers. It still works, you just don't have to be terrible yourself. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 08:01, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
ra=pick a guy standing still, theres a lot--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:05, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, though then you pick terrible targets and don't kill the ones that matter. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 11:19, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

this is great

dshot counters nearly everything...and if you dont spam your skills like a retard you wont get disrupted...and this is ra there are just no half decent rangers or people who know how to counter this

I just Dchopped Ebon Hawk, Shocked Stoning, then Shocked Attunement. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 14:05, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, this build is called stoning SPAMMER!!! The only way it actually does anything useful is by spamming its skills practically on recharge, which makes it just about the easiest thing to interrupt. Seriously, this is one of the few builds that you can rupt on recharge and be practically guaranteed success... so what chaos said, yeah Kurotou Shadestryke 22:57, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
chaos spams shock with his high energy staff--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 23:17, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
He's also been known to try to d-chop stances Smity Smitingtontalk2me 02:09, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Well its possible since crow does that all the time--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 02:16, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
I have tried to dchop a stance before... also a shout, and a skill... they just jump out at me!!! I twitch :( Kurotou Shadestryke 03:06, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
I dchop Rush so the war can't cancel. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 07:28, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


is fking meta. i was playing the shattering assault shitter today, and these things were killin me.-- 14:46, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

oh no, shatter assault shitters are not immortal!!! How imba, a build that is actually defeatable by another!!! Honeslty tho, i would think you could keep your distance from one of these mesmers, then run in and quickly remove their enchants b4 they have time to do anything to you. Smitytalk 20:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
He actually made a point. Dodge Ebon Hawk and strip the energy management. --Chaos -- 20:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


Still prefer my Ele version above this - | Nytemyre 20:18, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

grats. Gringo 20:34, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
Wow Saint you're still one fucker <3 I lol'd. --Chaos? -- 22:28, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
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