discuss go - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 11:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

If only you could use Divine Boon. Otherwise, Smiting is lackluster without Divine Favor. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 12:39, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I could change it to Mo/Me I guess, easy enough - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Reversal of Damage too!!! Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 12:44, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
are you being serious? (I'm not great at understanding sarcasm when it's typed) - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:45, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
RoD is amazing. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah. --DervsigAngelus 12:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Variants or main bar? and should I move this to Mo/Me? - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:48, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
RoD should be on every Smiter bar. And Mo/Me probably. Just make attribs Inspiration 11, Smiting 11+1+1, Divine 8+1. Smiter's aren't really good with Divine Favor. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 12:49, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Done. Should I stick in Divine Boon somewhere or is that overkill - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:52, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I'd drop Zealot's and SoH for Divine Boon. You'll have pretty tough energy otherwise. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 12:54, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Cool - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:57, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't know too much about GvG and meta or whatever, but why is Power Return in this build? --DervsigAngelus 13:13, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Primarily to keep up Lyssa's Aura, secondly as a very spammable interrupt. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 13:15, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Lyssa's aura makes itself uncoverable. It sucks in GvG/HA/TA. Might be half decent for RA/AB/CM, but there you wouldn't ever want to run a smiter. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 13:20, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, that's a point. Thing is - you can cancel Divine Boon and still do decent party support (smite hex/condi/RoD), which isn't too heavy on energy, until you can get LA back up again. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 13:22, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Nice, and you can use smiter's boon for pve aswell. =] --Mr.Onion 13:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
THIS IS TRUE! - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 14:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)


Y/N? - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 16:13, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

More DF imo --FrostyMini england 11:14, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Alright, changed to 11, 10(+1+1), 10(+1) - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 11:19, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Anything else anyone would suggest before moving to testing? - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 11:22, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Tbh, I wouldn't suggest using this outside of PvE and maybe for Heroes because you're basically trying to create an Eliteless PvP Smiter (because Divine Boon+Lyssa's Aura=Smiter's Boon before the nerf). In PvE, you can use both Smiter's Boon and Divine Boon, though, so it should be pretty great there. ــмıкεнaшк 11:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Isn't there a smiting skill you could use instead of Power Return? Noemi 12:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Not that a) is spammable or b) targets a foe, no. and should i take off the PvP tags then? - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 13:09, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

for reference...

Here's how it would go:

  • Divine favor = 12
  • 11 * 3.2 = 38.4, rounds to 38.
  • double that from Smiter's boon = 76.
  • Add bonus from Divine Boon: 76 + 51 = 127.

So you're healing an ally for 127 WHILE doing damage to foes at the same time. Pretty solid. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 13:15, 12 October 2008 (EDT)


Moved from trial. rate gogo. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 13:52, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Grr i'll edit the tags for PvP, i guess it can be used in both - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 15:07, 12 October 2008 (EDT)


Put Wastrels in the main bar, Power Return at 0 FC does more damage than good. -StarSeeker | My talk 16:37, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I'll make it an optional. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 16:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Preturn @ 0 can be usefull if you use it well, tbh. Interupting the fuck out of fire ele's or dom mesmers is an perfect example, as their e-mangment doesn't matter. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 06:38, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
It's PvE.... they have infinite fucking energy anyway, who cares if they get infinite + 10? - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby 06:39, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Both are in variants because either works really, but yeah, P-return works better in the long run, so I think i'll make it "suggested." - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 07:08, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Smiter's boon and all that

Yes, as you say, just putting Smiter's boon works. But why not add Divine Boon while you at it and get an extra 48hp of healing power with every spell? it turns it's healing from meh to pretty good. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 17:49, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

What? ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:52, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
People are saying in the ratings "just use smiter's boon," I'm saying why not use both. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 18:40, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
What?--ShadowRelyk Sig 19:58, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
In PvE, you're supposed to take Smiter's Boon AND Divine Boon with this build. XD ــмıкεнaшк 20:22, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
Finally, someone gets it. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 05:14, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

PvP Tags

Yes or no? It seems there's some argument, and this build IS very solid in PvE, just not quite as good in PvP. It's still very useable in pvp tho. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 06:36, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Not really. Smiting sucks in RA/AB, and as for GvG and TA, let's just say there are much better choices. Keep it to PvE imo. Also, it's rather disconcerting that this build is receiving more attention than mine... Noemi 11:16, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok, took off the PvP tags, they're gonna stay off. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Rate. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 12:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Be real brave

Add Zealout's Fire for the res sig :o --FrostyMini england 14:01, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

It's in variants, and i figure since you won't necessarily be taking this as your main healer, you might at well be able to res. I guess I can make the last slot optional tho. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 14:02, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Defender's Zeal accomplish the same thing as Lyssa's aura, only better :/ Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:18, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I disagree, Lyssa's Aura means an extra 4 energy every 3 seconds, with Divine boon up and your natural regen that's a total of 7 energy every 3 seconds. With D-Zeal and Divine boon up, that's 3 energy every 3 seconds plus 2 energy each time the foe hits, and say it's using a sword, that's 2 energy every 1.33 seconds. On average, that's just over 7 energy every 3 seconds. However - D-zeal requires the foe to be hitting, so, if you have aegis/d-anthem or something, then less/no energy. D-zeal can be removed from a foe by it's ally (Yes, LA can be removed from you, but if you're in the backline this is less likely), and if you're only fighting casters, then they aren't attacking a) as fast or b) as often, so less energy. - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 14:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
All mobs attack in PvE and it can be maintained on more foes. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:36, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't really care for Defender's Zeal. Heroes aren't really great with it, and who actually wants the mobs to hit with their attacks? Lyssa's Aura serves as unconditional energy management, but having to split your attributes for it kind of sucks, tbh. If it were up to me, I'd use Boon Signet+Castigation Signet (+Mantra of Inscriptions) with an Orders spammer to make sure there will be enough enchantments. Something like:


[build prof=Mo/Me DivineFavor=12+1+3 SmitingPrayers=11+1 InspirationMagic=6][Boon Signet][Reversal of Damage][Smite Hex][Smite Condition][Castigation Signet][Mantra of Inscriptions][Smiter's Boon][Divine Boon][/build]


ــмıкεнaшк 15:44, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
That's about 6-7 energy every 3 seconds (before you count natural regen), so 9-10 energy every 3 seconds in total. ^^ ــмıкεнaшк 15:48, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Heh, I just submitted the above build. =P ــмıкεнaшк 16:10, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
Nice, but that's a completely different build :P edit: oyeahforgot2sign - Tai MS STAR OF EXILE 17:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
That's why I just submitted it. XD ــмıкεнaшк 17:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Headpiece switch

Added note. helps for extra heals just like it does on UA/HB mimiry. Justin6 Justing6 siggypic 22:01, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Also added epidemic as one of the skills to maintain LA because of its correct stats and nice effect. Unlinked ftw Justin6 Justing6 siggypic 22:08, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
No, use power return.PikaFanLightningbolt sig 14:00, 31 October 2008 (EDT)


I lol'd. I wonder how terrible heroes are at maintaining LA? --Many srs beans Srs Beans R Srs 14:05, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

With an interrupt, not terrible?PikaFanLightningbolt sig 14:06, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
I can take the hero tag off, when I made this I thought it meant you were playing with heroes :P Tai Sig ImageMcTai 13:43, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
Heroes use LA when they aggro, so they're fine. The only issue would be maintaining it, but even if you put Wastrel's on there it should be fine. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 13:45, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
kkk. Tai Sig ImageMcTai 13:47, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

DZ vs LA

Which one do heroes use better? And why not Divine Healing Divine Healing and Heaven&#039;s Delight Heaven's Delight. KJ needed a new sig....sig 19:53, 19 March 2009

smiters boon?

got nerfd //didnt c its pveSharpened Daggers aka RIP 07:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Also Divine Boon got changed.-- 08:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

lyssa's aura

correct me if im wrong but i see no skill in the build or variants that can be spammed, lyssa's aura needs you to cast a spell on an enemy for it to refresh, seems to me like a waste of an eliteMoosymoose 12:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ups your bad and blind.--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man"Monk-Paragon-icon 12:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
wtb a proper reply. i fail to see how you maintain lyssa's aura a simple 'this is what you do' answer would of been fine but you choose to be ignorateMoosymoose 13:32, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
optional #1. — μαφλεσ 17:07, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
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