Tag for CM too? --Gah Echo mending hurray Eat my uber regen. 13:02, 16 January 2009 (EST)

how about, change the skill Gift of Health for Aura of Stability and Mend Condition for Dismiss Condition? Vashan 11:06, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Switch Dismiss for Mend and it's good. crazyCowcow 16:49, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Dismiss is hot tho :( Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:56, 20 January 2009 (EST)
Mend Condition, not ailment, whoops. 2s recharge, non conditional, etc, etc. D: crazyCowcow 17:05, 20 January 2009 (EST)
Target other ally, etc, etc. D: ~~     Frvwfr2   Frv Boston  talk    admin   17:15, 20 January 2009 (EST)
Dismiss can be used as a heal when no conditions and can self target, which helps sometimes. Just leave it as a variant, its pretty much player choice Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:16, 20 January 2009 (EST)
^ back when bonders in RA were popular, i used Dismiss to heal my teammates.--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 17:21, 20 January 2009 (EST)
Why on earth would you ever use dismiss as a pure heal when you have gift on your bar. Mend is just req, as with the mel shot rangers poison will be flying around like a mad man, and the self-removal is gained by PnH. Dismiss can be ran on the WoH for more splittability, though, while I myself prefer dual-mend. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 16:22, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Interesting, me and a friend made a PaH build quite similar to this ([[1]]) although yours seems much more active healing orientated and worked well when i tried it. Mabel 14:09, 10 February 2009 (EST)

No Aura of Stability, is that right? FrostrageFrosty po! 19:07, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Meta hexway doesn't even use a hammer, and only 1 bull's. It's not really that required in this meta. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:44, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Good point since your specced against hexway, might as well go all out against it. FrostrageFrosty po! 16:25, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Meaning you'll get rolled by anything else more easily? :S RickyRicksawsmfacevantof 16:28, 21 January 2009 (EST)
I love how pvxwiki fails. 05:45, 22 January 2009 (EST)
register, start contributing, stop preaching. prove your üüberness. ---Chaos- TheDentist 05:58, 22 January 2009 (EST)
This is an important point. Hammer is still in the meta albeit not the HEX meta. Enjoy being constantly magehunter'd and being able to do nothing about it.ComfortOsprey 15:36, 22 January 2009 (EST)
I've seen Aura of Stability run over GoH, it was weird. Lets you spec more into divine, though. crazyCowcow 16:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)
Why on earth are you complaining about aura? It always have been an optional skill(just like rof) but you'd still take it because it's superior to the alternative(gift, which you don't really needed when you have rc + woh). Either way; when facing rawrspike aura doesn't save you either(lol camp prot), and chances are like really small in facing hammers(like as in really really really small). Either way; Aura is in variants now. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 16:51, 22 January 2009 (EST)

wont be good

if this is new meta, wastrels worry is superomgwtfpwn after Peace and harmony is used. jsut a small little thought Whiplashsig1Whiplash513 12:20, 22 January 2009 (EST)

won't WW only apply damage if it lasts its full 3 seconds? RickyRicksawsmfacevantof 12:22, 22 January 2009 (EST)
No it will have lasted its full duration though, so the damage is still done. FrostrageFrosty po! 12:23, 22 January 2009 (EST)
LA mes metaaaa. Gringo 12:24, 22 January 2009 (EST)
So, enchantments lasting 3(or was it 4) seconds below don't count as being applied when under MoI, but hexes lasting 3 seconds and below do count as being applied under PnH? That's pretty screwed.PikaFan19x19px 12:25, 22 January 2009 (EST)
ur thinking mark of insecurityGringo 12:36, 22 January 2009 (EST)
That's what he said mate. - Miserysig (talk) 12:38, 22 January 2009 (EST)
k i scanned it too fast :< Gringo 12:39, 22 January 2009 (EST)
The mechanics work this way: enchantments are always rounded up; unless it's under 0,5, where it just will be rounded to 0, thus don't even trigger. With hexes <0,5 it's still rounded to one. (excuse me for my bad vocab). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 16:55, 22 January 2009 (EST)
That's why it's pretty screwed.PikaFan19x19px 22:07, 23 January 2009 (EST)


FRAGILITY OWNZ THIS!!!! LOLOLOLOLOOL!!@!!!1!!!1!! Ekko Echo mending Ekko Ekko Ekko 19:28, 23 January 2009 (EST)

bad troll. for the record, it removes 1 condition and then 1 hex, and alternates until 7 are gone of each or w/e. so notrly. Gringo 20:02, 23 January 2009 (EST)
I was more talking about the 4 seconds of uberfast condition removal, which means more spike damage. Could be interesting if this really becomes uberpopular. Ekko Echo mending Ekko Ekko Ekko 20:16, 23 January 2009 (EST)
inorite, 19domage is liek supr hihg ppl usng dis r dum nobs nd shuld lrn gaem20:17, 23 January 2009 (EST)
(EC)How do you get Fragility to stick in that time period? ~~     Frvwfr2   Frv Boston  talk    admin   20:18, 23 January 2009 (EST)
Back when Recurring Insecurity was borken, you could stack condis on someone, put frag and recurring on, and Fragility would blow them up (with soul barbs too) FrostrageFrosty po! 20:22, 23 January 2009 (EST)
I liked it when RI was borken. RickyRicksawsmfacevantof 20:25, 23 January 2009 (EST)


this is only really good because of MoI train tactics. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 22:14, 23 January 2009 (EST)

and hexfags. why did you create a section just to say something that everyone already knows though...? Gringo 22:27, 23 January 2009 (EST)
DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHPikaFan19x19px 00:17, 24 January 2009 (EST)

No rof in prot bar?

What has the world come to? Railin-WoH Railin 17:05, 25 January 2009 (EST)

GoH FrostrageFrosty po! 17:12, 25 January 2009 (EST)
RoF should be main bar imo, it is still better tbh. ~~ Napalm Flame >=] Napalm Flame Sig Image (talk)·(contributions) 17:15, 25 January 2009 (EST)
RoF over what? crazyCowcow 17:16, 25 January 2009 (EST)
GoH, you can run 13 divine that way for a slight extra heal. However, depends on whether you want healing that is dependent on being hit by say, an axe crit, but can also self target, or whether you want unconditional healing. On the other hand, you lose the redbar of RC with this build, so GoH is just purely redbar to replace that, or 'bar decompression'. ~~ Napalm Flame >=] Napalm Flame Sig Image (talk)·(contributions) 17:18, 25 January 2009 (EST)
The fact that GoH can't self target isn't really an issue except on splits when your WoH isn't with you. But even then you usually have Caretaker/runner. crazyCowcow 17:24, 25 January 2009 (EST)
RoF is for spikes you missed the prot on. It isn't red bar. PnH can remove DW on spikes, i.e, the same effect. Also Tab says you're all bad. - Miserysig (talk) 17:25, 25 January 2009 (EST)
I can confirm that you're all bad. Including you Misery. 06:44, 26 January 2009 (EST)
I dislike Anons :< ---Chaos- TheDentist 07:02, 26 January 2009 (EST)

You need gift for redbarring or you're getting rolled by hexway. I pretty much like rof + gift more, but appearantly most monks prefer aura + gift. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:16, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Drop Mend Condition and Gift of Health for Shield of Absorption and Dismiss Condition

First of all, don’t give me that “Gift of Health pushes red bars up” thing, because dismiss gives like 20 less healing and removes a condition without splitting attributes. The only downside to running dismiss is that you need to be targeting someone with an enchantment, but you are running an aegis chain, so everyone is going to be enchanted anyway. Combine Gift and Mend with dismiss for bar compression, and bring SoA in the freed up spot. SoA is really good against gimmicky spikes like the KD + RoJ spike, or kappaspike, and works really well on spikes by reducing damage by a shit ton. Plus by dropping skills that are only “Target other ally,” you can hold your own without the need of the WoH monk next to your ass. JonasGWWAvatar Jonas 23:12, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Then mainbar it. Contrary to popular opinion, I'm somewhat reasonably busy. --Gah Echo mending hurray Eat my uber regen. 20:27, 2 February 2009 (EST)
I have never obs a monk that brings dismiss on a PnH hybrid bar. 21:10, 2 February 2009 (EST)
Enchanted allies usually don't need the heal as much as ones that just got rended + dw. Pluto 02:26, 3 February 2009 (EST)
You're running an aegis chain, yes, but in optimum conditions its up 2/3rds of the time. In not so optimum (dual ranger) its up like 1/6th of the time; so then your only enchants are gonna be on guys who have prots and they aren't gonna need healing as much as the guy dropping down from lingering + poison who would be useless enchanting. Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:44, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Also, SoA is bad in GvG, it was great in VoD but it's not good anywhere else. It might be an amazing spike catcher(it's not that amazing actually), but it's a 1sec cast so you're not going to be able to prot it before spikes. SH is lots better b/c of it's cast time, and the fact that it works immediatly. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 06:10, 5 February 2009 (EST)


LOOL @ URS Enjoy Frenzyphailer! 15:57, 10 February 2009 (EST)

wat's so special about it? ---Chaos- 08:29, 11 February 2009 (EST)
It looks like a beginner one ... Enjoy Frenzyphailer! 16:19, 11 February 2009 (EST)
That's just a listing of the meta sets if I'm not missing anything. ---Chaos- 05:41, 12 February 2009 (EST)
They are basic sets. This is PvX... - Panic sig7 05:52, 12 February 2009 (EST)
Unless you're talking about the listed template, in which case I have no idea wtf it is. - Panic sig7 06:10, 12 February 2009 (EST)
The listed template's sucking like hell Didi 11:16, 13 February 2009 (EST)


Are those really counters? PnH yourself and you lose Standard anti-caster counters(Daze, Backfire, Migraine, etc.) Colonel Hawk 22:15, 14 February 2009 (EST)

yes, because if you kill yourself before removing backfire your still dead, and if you cant cast PnH, you cant remove it. Alpha firebornAlpha Fireborn Cripshot 23:08, 14 February 2009 (EST)


I heard Patient Spirit is way better and you can even heal yourself with it. (Kiron 16:18, 16 February 2009 (EST))

Heck, with Dismiss Condition and Patient Spirit you could heal yourself otay. It would be embarassing if you died from health degen while the woh is down. (Kiron 16:20, 16 February 2009 (EST))
I heard big heals that instantly heal are better, actually. You have woh to clean the prot. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 06:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Patient spirit is great to use as a secondary self heal with the low cost of energy it is a great skill to use if your getting spiked and KD but its best to combine patient spirit with WoH to get full health

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