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Hard for me to comment too much without knowing what arena this is for, but I think Depravity is a bit meh outside of HA where everyone has terrible positioning due to the tiny maps and monks trying to channel tank. You mention pre-veiling, but any monk worth their salt will be able to remove Depravity during the aftercast before you can cast Wastrel's Worry so you really need enchantment removal to beat it. - Miserysig1isery (TALK) 07:10, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

So, you think rip, instead of wastrel's? and it was meant for HA/TA Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 15:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Rip is good, then you don't need dom either, if you want it for TA, you need some anti-melee, that's really what is asked for from a necro. - Miserysig1isery (TALK) 15:48, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Well, I can put Price of Failure on the bar for anti-melee and just have the others as variants. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 17:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Who tagged this for WELL? Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 04:01, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

ups Frosty No U! 04:02, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
and why did you do that? Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 04:03, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
No idea, just woke up. Frosty No U! 04:03, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Well, :|, check it out before crushing me again. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 04:05, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Yup, sorry bout that. Saw Deprev, saw HA/TA, and assumed a general deprev necro but this is a little more supportive. Frosty No U! 04:06, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
 :) Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 04:10, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Finally PB again, it makes Hex Breaker a joke. --Rimo 04:40, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Can someone do me a favor and watch over good suggestions and add-ons for me? Gotta get to work. :P Thanks. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 07:13, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Put Faintheartedness in optionals. Oh, and add Enfeeble as a variant. Image-Dark Morphon&#039;s SiggieDark Morphon(contribs) 04:52, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Gotcha Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 05:20, 21 July 2008 (EDT) forgot sig

GoLE

Energy management without skill point investment, lolwut?--GoldenGoldenstarStar 07:03, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

PD, FF, SoLS? ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 07:06, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
My point exactly, plus I'm not trying to dupe these other builds. and GoLE doesn't have secondary uses like these do in this build. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 07:08, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Oic he meant GoLE. Never mind me. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 07:33, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

needs moar malaise for HA and less parasitic bond, why Pdrain? e-management when you have foul feast, sig of lost souls and soul rape? also needs plague send if foul feast is going to be on main bar Drownz 07:53, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Or in case you don't want to take dazed and then not be able to send it back if so much as a fly is attacking you, you could just let the RC do what it normally does and use RC on you.--71.67.243.230 10:50, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Wither/Depravity + Malaise + Ether Phantom + Cover = Raped caster. ArtDeRueChe
Wither + Malaise = Weapon Swapping Monks = Flare with recharge and no e-denial, OH NOES! - Miserysig1isery (TALK) 11:23, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
gole owns That Twin Tom sigThat Twin Tom 12:45, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I have it set up in a manner that it can like, keep the RC/Infuser clean (for the most part), can interrupt a bit, and have minor heals for itself. Basically, it's wanting to be utility. Remember P drain is an interrupt covering as e-management. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 13:29, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Put gole in there--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 16:16, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Switching what out? Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 16:21, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
PD. But really this just needs a WELL, it's basically a variant of Build:N/E Depravity Necro--GoldenGoldenstarStar 20:29, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Tell me, what makes it a variant? The Same elite, cover, and A SINGLE anti-melee hex makes it a dupe/variant? If you haven't noticed, originality isn't really working in GW these days. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 21:04, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I agree. The only way to be "original" is to use elites that are never used. But we all know where those builds go, regardless if they are actually good or not.Stryk the Lightning 12:20, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Let's

Get this rated or whatever. It's been testing for over a week now. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 21:40, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Plague Sending

should at least be a variant/suggestion for the optional. You should also cut out the majority of the anti-melee hexes in the variants because we've got Build:N/E_Depravity_Necro which does the same, and GoLE is more effective there because of the additional 10-15 energy costs. I'm not even sure if Power Drain is necessary in this build because most other Necro's run with higher costing spells (thus the need for GoLE) while this has mostly 5 energy spells. You might be better off cutting out Inspiration Magic altogether so you can put more into Soul Reaping and have better SoLS and energy gains from dead people. ــмıкεнaшк 23:15, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

If I'm doing that, then I lose the TA tag. No one uses a necro in TA without anti-melee. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 23:29, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I think Dont's version is best: Build_talk:N/E_Depravity_Necro#Update. He was suggesting that we change that other build to it, but I find that the changes are pretty big, and that there's no problem with having two builds like this, like they have a gazillion WoD Necro builds. =P ــмıкεнaшк 23:34, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Alright, don't needs to re-feature, and change the page for me then. I'm gonna put Plague Sending as a variant. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 00:06, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

thanks

Things are moving along now. I'm leaving for work, be back in 9 or so hours. =) Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 09:19, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Glyph of Lesser Energy

what the heck is tht for? all your spells on the main bar range from 5-10, and necros have a large pool of energy to begin with, not to mention soul reaping even--TheNoobPolice 13:31, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Optionals are key, make one of them 15e such as Price of Failure or Reckless Haste. - Miserysig1isery (TALK) 13:58, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig> [build prof=n/any curses=12+1+1 soul=12+1][depravity][faintheartedness][defile defenses] [foul feast][plague sending][rip enchantment][optional][resurrection signet][/build] </pvxbig> From Dont's suggestion. ــмıкεнaшк 14:38, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Or something similar. Off of work early. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 15:11, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
I think that should be on the main bar, tbh, and then have your variants/optionals. ــмıкεнaшк 17:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
eh, variants ftw. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 18:09, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
Variants are ftw, but Plague Sending and Faintheartedness should really be on the main bar, while Defile Defenses is better than Parasitic Bond (because we all hate blocking.) Throw that on the main bar, and work your variants/optionals around it, imo. ــмıкεнaшк 18:27, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
Parasitic bond is like, the best cover hex ever, why lose it? Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 19:13, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
It is the best Curses cover hex, but it offers very little utility (other than being a cover.) 114 damage is very nice when a Monk is using Guardian and blocking all of your team's attacks. ــмıкεнaшк 19:21, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
well, I have Defile up as a variant, meaning it CAN replace parasitic, if need be. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 19:45, 23 July 2008 (EDT)


vamp

defile, rend, and grasping earth. all of which, are compatible with HA and TA. --Readem 19:49, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

lol...Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 23:26, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

btw

In editing, you made it N/Any. Even with only elementalist variants, you kinda messed the page up again. Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 17:21, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

I'll move it to N/any for you. =P ــмıкεнaшк 18:22, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
oh uh..people like it Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 02:33, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

so uh

anyone else gonna get this thing vetted yet? Big (<3) PEW!! BigSigPic 02:40, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

HA Variants

FF is fine in HA but plague sending really isn't. You're better off with a bar like this:

Depravity Faintheartedness Rip Enchantment Rend Enchantments Glyph of Lesser Energy Ward Against Foes Grasping Earth Resurrection Signet

The only way to make depravity viable there is to be able to keep both monks channeling down and the only way you can do that is by bringing two enchant removals. So imo this build should either be split into a TA version and a HA version, or at least leave a note at the bottom of the page that the HA version should be different. Drahgal Meir 06:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Or you can change the usage to reflect the TA/HA uses. Really simple. ~ Big Big sadface sig sysop 07:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Variants notes that you can drop DD+Plague Send for more hexes, and besides this would be used in a build probably with another necro in HA (therefore you got more ench removal). --Frosty Mc Admin 10:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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