Talk: R/A Escape Daggers

Who needs ias when you can pewpew ppl. I srsly outpressured 2 monk teams with another one of this it was hilarious. The other guy on our team wasnt contributing to damage since he was a para w/ random shouts/chants that didnt help much, had a Mo/D though using new buffs PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Should i tag this with HA/gvg/ta/cm/ect? PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, kiting isn't used in RA/TA. CM isn't PvP, it's a fagfest. Any 8 skills of 0... 1 ...3 attributes works. Don't tag for GvG. They might know what kiting is. 22:51, 7 August 2009

Alright then tagging for cm as well for now, duno bout ta PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 22:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

why not ha?--Relyk 23:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

What if u drop black mantis strike for apply poison? u have escape for ims. Fiendly Fire 23:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Dont rly need personal experiences on the notes section >.< ßʀоɴɀɛ (Kurzick_FTW|Talk|Contribs) 23:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)23:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Two of these + FC Barbs in TA = win? 23:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I still think A/D will pump more damage but I have been trying something like this:

has lots of utility with snare, poison+bleeding spread, interrupt with exhaustion and enchantment removal. --Frosty Mc Admin 23:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea, i'm going with that bar as superior.--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 00:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

No need for 2 leads really with such a quick recharging one.--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 00:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Dah fuck, forgot needs enchant nm...--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 00:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Leaping mantis in the bar above was more for it's snare not for it's lead attackness. --Frosty Mc Admin 00:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

As I said before, you have escape for ims. Also, the cripple from leaping mantis isn't really a sure thing in RA. Fiendly Fire 00:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC

I know there is a template for non assasin dagger builds around here somewhere...--UnderGunned 00:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

lolupdates. And mantis is like bulls, if you know how to use it, you're fine.--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 00:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Assassin version of this is bad due to heavy energy issues unless u bring that encahtn which is also strippleble, not to mention no condition removal or 75% block PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 00:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

LoL at bulls comparison, but I get it. I still liek that template though O_0--UnderGunned 04:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah updates mean ranger gets more spam. someone make a ss rit with daggers now--Relyk 04:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

not sure if you were sarcastic there but...isnt the only reason a ranger is running this over an assassin escape's survivability? Funkopotomis 06:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

nope, escape just means you get to spam attack skills on them constantly. frosty has mentioned and tested that sins can't afford it.--Relyk 06:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Drop Black Mantis, add Lightning Reflexes. Why aren't you bringing a very powerfull IAS when you have the opportunity for it? And this is, except for Fox Fangs, very blockable, and I don't remember the last time I saw a monk without Guardian in RA...Thomahawk 14:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Who needs an IAS when all but one of your attack skills is 1/2 activation? tss..Wielder Of Magic 15:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Put an AB tag up as well, and I would replace Res Sig with Dshot in AB for some long range interrupts or if your chasing a caster who is quite a distance away. Otherwise, this is a nice template :D --Douche WHACK! 16:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Says 68 dps from master of damage (who i think has 60 armor) PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I felt like a shitter trying this out ---Chaos- 20:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Same here. Along with the Rt/A version which gets 100-140dps in it's spike. Which can be a retarded 3 second spike.--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 22:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

The best possible variant..

With 1/2 lead and dual attacks, and covering the rest of your attacks with Escape, you're a force to be reckoned with! Bleeding, armor-ignoring AoE d0m0gez, kd, DW and block/IMS = /pwnt --BlazingBurdy 23:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

falling spider--Relyk 00:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

spike is slooow after lead-offhand. --Oj▲mo 00:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

they're kded >.>--Relyk 00:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

healing from outside sources exists --Oj▲mo 00:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

If that healing source is kd'ed and trained, it is extinguished. --BlazingBurdy 15:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol good joke Anet...

I think Falling Lotus is best for constantly pumping out blossom while staying on vamp dag's, but to each his/her own. I say mainbar falling lotus for it's maintainability tbh. --BlazingBurdy 04:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

its tagged for ra, cm, and ab--Relyk 07:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

does this build seem stupid to anyone...

How's instacast lead/offhand and kd+aoe+dw with block coverage stupid? Does this unsigned comment from some anonymous, incompetent poster seem stupid to anyone...? --BlazingBurdy 01:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Black Mantis

Why Black Mantis? I mean if this was in a hex team, yes it would be quite good, but as it is it's just a quick-to-recharge lead, and you have jagged anyway. Is it just for the +damage or something? +18 doesn't seem all that good though... 86.27.130.214 11:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

hexes aren't uncommon and it's a fast recharge/fast activation skill with unconditional damage. ---Chaos- 13:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

DW/KD/AoE from Blossom >>> unconditional damage from a second useless lead attack, my good sir's (read under best possible variants and weep). --BlazingBurdy 15:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I see much DW and KD on the mainbar. gj. ---Chaos- 15:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

what? no you dont...--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 15:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

obv sarcasm is sad to not be noticed. ---Chaos- 17:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Wut chaos said, it also adds more versatility PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Apply

apply poison as variant or optional maybe? instead of silly lotus strike. Your skills cost 1 fucking energy... 91.16.139.171 20:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Quite many have been thinking the same. Personally I wouldn't do it unless planning on spreading degen with Jagged, but why the heck is Lotus Strike in there? ---Chaos- 20:38, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

just add it. it's a wiki and it's only variants ffs FMK- 23:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Ehwa? apply poison's popup tab doesn't appear...--Ikimono"My beard is thick." 03:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

"only a variant" doesn't exist. And o' strong brave man, why not do it yourself? Which after I'd cause drama. ---Chaos- 09:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Daggers without A/.

So, now that they're quick-activating attack skils, rangers are suddenly good with daggers? this makes no sense.

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98.117.180.15 16:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

If they do it better than sins do, then yes, they are good with daggers. People would have said that warriors with scythes was a terrible idea, until Warrior's Endurance got buffed. Times change, and builds that would previously be seen as shit can actually become useful. --JaiGoesMonksassin 16:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and the warrior with scythes thing is more PvE-aimed, but the point still stands. --JaiGoesMonksassin 16:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

fail anon is fail PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 16:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

A/D is still better really. --Frosty Mc Admin 16:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

not in ra PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

In ra, spike sins>pressure sins cause pressure sins get ganked while spike sins get their chain off then get ganked PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

R/A's > A/Any's thanks to Anet's uber-kewl update. --BlazingBurdy 18:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Escape is probably the only reason why this build is decent --J0™ 11:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Could try it with scavengers to-lolspam shit everywhere. don't think even that's needed though.--72.189.84.187 11:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Tbh guys, i find coward to be good with this bar, along with impale, rush and critical eye. as black mantis is gay, and dw is better (Even to finish off with) than rupting. and coward ALL the time ownz Exo Oo 12:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

oh, and guys, since when do sins need to use skills for energy? critical eye with 13 crit and zealous daggers is fineee Exo Oo 12:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

someone make into mini-bar thing, i don't know how. but that does a muich better job, and i'm using it, energy is fine Exo Oo 12:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but that lacks: Expertise (still), interrupt, blocking, poison... MadTheorist 14:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Crit Strikes makes up for expertise for the most part (especially considering dual attacks). And a crazy spammable KD sounds a little better than interupts and poison IMO. However, this one definitely has A/x beat in terms of defense. This is probably more RA-oriented, the A/D is more TA oriented. --JaiGoesMonksassin 14:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

NIGGERS

Like, seriously? You're gonna take another offhand that isn't doing you any good just so you can take another offhand? And why the fuck don't you have -4 degen mainbarred? Not to mention, this build is fun, and it pew pews shit, but it isn't as OP as half of the other fucktarded shit out there. You have no anti-block, so you're fucked against a good monk, and inb4 "every sin gets countered by block" - no shit. That's why most sin bars that get vetted Great have stance and/or enchantment removal, or use a 4 second KD to complete their spike. Some of you are so bad at this game that it's literally painful to know that you may be one day contributing your genes to future generations - I'm just putting my money on some of you earning Darwin Awards and a few more being too socially awkward to even pick up the lonely whales at the Country Night of your local bar. ···  17:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Troll moar. --BlazingBurdy 17:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

--Frosty Mc Admin 17:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Pet

Even though you will sacrifice expertise, when I tested this Ferocious Strike + Zealous Daggers is enough to maintain energy while providing more dps.jboy157

Assassin primary is better than that version PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

only reason to run this is lolescape and lollightning reflexes. (over A/D that is). --Frosty Mc Admin 18:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I use something a little different, I put in Impale and Iron Palm after the first 3 attacks I use Impale Follow it up with iron palm and then chain 2>3 again

20 second recharge skill is v useful. ···  17:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

i use iron palm wen available i didnt mean it was necesary to chain but it's nice since the prerequisite is easy and only reliable kd available, it still pressures just fine with 1->2->3.

I find that apply isn't as good as two utility slots, this does insane pressure w/o poison that won't get spread very well, it also forces you to spec into 3 different things, which means a major rune for expertise... also why are yall bitching about no stance removal? I hear wild strike is good stance breaker and you have exauhsting for anti gaurdian. Optional should be Antidote Signet/Whirling defense, this is strong pressure so I wouldn't even bring impale, you have good ims so I wouldn't bring Black Mantis, which has a conditional every monk is going to be fighting to get rid of, even if you do roll hexer.

<pvxbig> [build prof=Ranger/Assassin Exper=12+1+1 DaggerMastery=12][Jagged Strike][Fox Fangs][Death Blossom][Exhausting Assault][Escape][Wild Strike][Optional][Resurrection Signet][/build]</pvxbig>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Undergunned (talk • contribs) .

Please close the pvxbig's. 71.146.87.158 19:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

tag for hb?

its not really a spike sin and it lacks self heals but its got decent mobility, can break stances, and kills packers easily enough.--UnderGunned 02:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)