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102kb was too much. 
15:09, 4 June 2009
to KJ
I like it because in PvE, you shouldn't limited to using the most common/best/overused build like in pvP (unless you're crow/smurf in which case you hold halls with 5bb sins). In PvE you should be able to have the option to run a different build that works, and this does big damages (therefore it works, pve vs big damages is a reaaaal no brainer), and it's different therefore frostels le likes this build. Also, could have let me respond... 
FrostytheAdmin 15:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wasn't trying to keep you from responding. And I understand why you like it, but my argument is that it's not as useful for the majority of GW players (which is what we're for, right?). There's nothing wrong with being creative in PvE, but I thought that's what namespaces are for.
15:13, 4 June 2009
- There's a difference between creativity that sucks, and creativity that works. For the former, see the builds in my namespace (well, Infidel's). --Slurry. 15:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- There are a lot of creative things that work, but no one's going to bother running them because other things work better. You all sound like a bunch of anti-PvX baddies in RA. PvE is about creativity as much as PvP is. Sure, we can all say lolpve, but only the the extent that we can say lolpvp. If not, I'm gonna flood the PvE section with every functional build I've ever run, seen run, or heard of someone running, tbh, because hey - they all work and deal lots of damage. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Also, in response to the Rt/D's with the dedicated supporter - yeah, let's make more physical-damage based teams that use a GDW/SoH buffer, regardless of the fact that we're putting enchantment-based low AL's in the frontline in preference to builds that can deal damage and maintain an armor value over 100. Rt/D has never worked nearly as well as other things for the same reason that Rt/any has never worked as a damage dealer in PvE - other things just work better. They make great support roles, which - surprise, surprise - is what rits were designed for. Sure, they've suffered some shitty nerfs, but in that case, don't play a fucking rit if you don't like it. Play an Imbagon or monk and be a few dozen times more useful. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- And what team doesn't run an imbagon? Yay armors. --Slurry. 15:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Also, in response to the Rt/D's with the dedicated supporter - yeah, let's make more physical-damage based teams that use a GDW/SoH buffer, regardless of the fact that we're putting enchantment-based low AL's in the frontline in preference to builds that can deal damage and maintain an armor value over 100. Rt/D has never worked nearly as well as other things for the same reason that Rt/any has never worked as a damage dealer in PvE - other things just work better. They make great support roles, which - surprise, surprise - is what rits were designed for. Sure, they've suffered some shitty nerfs, but in that case, don't play a fucking rit if you don't like it. Play an Imbagon or monk and be a few dozen times more useful. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- There are a lot of creative things that work, but no one's going to bother running them because other things work better. You all sound like a bunch of anti-PvX baddies in RA. PvE is about creativity as much as PvP is. Sure, we can all say lolpve, but only the the extent that we can say lolpvp. If not, I'm gonna flood the PvE section with every functional build I've ever run, seen run, or heard of someone running, tbh, because hey - they all work and deal lots of damage. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- There's a difference between creativity that sucks, and creativity that works. For the former, see the builds in my namespace (well, Infidel's). --Slurry. 15:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
AScan
Means permanent sitting in Zealous set. You don't have the emanagement for it like critscythe etc. 
uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- And sitting in zealous is bad in pve? FrostytheAdmin 15:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes it is, less pew pew pew. uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Go play the build, you'll see that sitting in Zealous works. When attack skills cost 2 energy (Zealous Sweep gaining 7 energy), Zealous says, "Who the fuck cares?" --Slurry. 15:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't have a rit, that's why I am asking you to test it to be sure. Aren't you the one who came out with the build? You must have one right?uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I do have one, and, SURPRISE, the bar that it currently has it this one! SHOCKER! --Slurry. 15:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I have a rit too. I'll run the build when I get home and do some math. Which build should I run? This one or Frosty's? Now, I seriously need to leave. Ugh. 15:25, 4 June 2009
- Are you seriously expecting me to know that you tested ascan already? If you think I am some omnipotent all-knowing being, please seek help. I don't know what your friends/family/teachers told you, but humans generally don't have mysterious psychic powers to mind read. uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well, to be honest, if someone obviously knows what the fuck they're talking about, I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about from experience. Deductive reasoning ftw. --Slurry. 15:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I have a rit too. I'll run the build when I get home and do some math. Which build should I run? This one or Frosty's? Now, I seriously need to leave. Ugh.
- I do have one, and, SURPRISE, the bar that it currently has it this one! SHOCKER! --Slurry. 15:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't have a rit, that's why I am asking you to test it to be sure. Aren't you the one who came out with the build? You must have one right?
- Go play the build, you'll see that sitting in Zealous works. When attack skills cost 2 energy (Zealous Sweep gaining 7 energy), Zealous says, "Who the fuck cares?" --Slurry. 15:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes it is, less pew pew pew.
@Pika/@KJ
@Pika: Zealous Sweep+Zealous scythe=7 net energy gain. It's enough for Asuran Scan, seeing as you'd only be able to cast it twice before the enemies are dead.
@KJ: Nice job archiving while I was responding. --Slurry. 15:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- QQ more. We should have archived after the last argument over stupid grammar made it over 60kb. 15:15, 4 June 2009
- Go read my response. --Slurry. 15:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I will later, miss attention whore. I'm heading to work. 15:16, 4 June 2009
- I will later, miss attention whore. I'm heading to work.
- Go read my response. --Slurry. 15:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Disagree. You have to recast it very often, best is to do some actual testing in HM or something. uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Asuran Scan be casted every 5 seconds at the minimum. Since obviously my findings aren't accurate, how large are mobs in HM? I'd bargain 6-8 usually. --Slurry. 15:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- You have other skills that you have to maintain and spam on a regular basis. Theorycrafts don't really translate to reality as well as you think they do; please test it, if possible. For now I will agf or something until the results come back. uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going you have some type of mental disability. In case you've missed the entire previous archive, let me reiterate. I use this on a regular basis, both NM and HM. Jai uses this. It isn't theorycraft if someone uses it and knows what the fuck their talking about. It's quite obvious that you don't know what you're talking about because you've never even used the build. --Slurry. 15:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Is it so hard to at least confirm that ascan doesn't get in the way of energy? Or you just too arrogant and stuck up to even double check? uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 15:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Jai also uses a Locust Fury sin with SY!, which, quite frankly, does more damage and is generally more useful than this build. Also, Asuran scan WILL cause energy issues - it causes energy issues for MS/DB with zealous daggers and 13+ in crit strikes WITH Critical Eye. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'll be honest: I don't regularly use Asuran Scan when I run this. However, I can confirm that it will work perfectly fine, since you kill any and every mob in under 10 seconds. 10 seconds=2 AScan casts max. If you play correctly, you have about 20 energy left over after each fight. Dropping GDW for AScan (I'm assuming?) won't change anything--GDW is 10 energy, AScan is 5 energy per cast, and at 2 casts it's 10 energy. There is no difference in energy. --Slurry. 15:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Is it so hard to at least confirm that ascan doesn't get in the way of energy? Or you just too arrogant and stuck up to even double check?
- I'm going you have some type of mental disability. In case you've missed the entire previous archive, let me reiterate. I use this on a regular basis, both NM and HM. Jai uses this. It isn't theorycraft if someone uses it and knows what the fuck their talking about. It's quite obvious that you don't know what you're talking about because you've never even used the build. --Slurry. 15:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- You have other skills that you have to maintain and spam on a regular basis. Theorycrafts don't really translate to reality as well as you think they do; please test it, if possible. For now I will agf or something until the results come back.
- Asuran Scan be casted every 5 seconds at the minimum. Since obviously my findings aren't accurate, how large are mobs in HM? I'd bargain 6-8 usually. --Slurry. 15:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I wish
We could get people to care this much about builds that actually mattered. 
Misery Says Moo 15:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)