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ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:02, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Drop Life and the resto for GoLE. It'll still be pretty meh, though. — SkaKid 16:06, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
It's a much better variant than the A-Echo Warmonger though. I actually find it on par with DwG.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:11, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
IMO at least.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:12, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
A-echo warmonger has expel and is the only hex removal for r/d faggoty, you wouldn't run this in there since no hex removal. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 09:47, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Looks good to me, but i think there is a mistake in the Variants: "You can use something in place of Splinter Weapon if you plan on keeping splinter weapon on your melee characters instead of Splinter." Blader 16:27, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Woa, you're right, ill fix.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:34, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Ready for Testing?

Do you think this is ready for a bump?ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 11:32, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Im gonna bump it cuz all the failmasters are avoiding it.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 14:36, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Remove resto entirely and switch to ele secondary for better "energy management" Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:43, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Ele secondary?ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 14:44, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Primary* Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:53, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
That'd be worse. Lower powered splinter ftl. Lord of all tyria 14:57, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Energy might work now with GoLE, and less damage from splinter doesn't really hurt it's mainly reduced time of Warmonger's that does. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 15:00, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
This DOES work, its great against everything except midgets koreans and skakid.ExtremeSigPic ExtremeCube19px(contribs) 15:03, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I pwn skakid with this; so i'm teh new counter. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 09:48, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Counters

Best counters out of any other build ever put on PvX. Nuff said. - Lord Xivor 14:57, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Dude, i had no idea where those midgets came from, but once i started running this i got raped by them, worst experience of my life, and i dont wanna tell you what skakid did.ExtremeSigPic ExtremeGodlyCompanion-cube(contribs) 15:02, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
STOP! HAMMER TIME! FFS Dual edit conflict. And sign fail. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 15:00, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Wait a minute... why did you steal my companion cube! And fuck up my indenting? Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 15:03, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I win, and your cube likes me more anyway.ExtremeSigPic ExtremeCube19px(contribs) 15:04, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
You decapitated him. And you'll see consequences for this. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 15:06, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Now now, children, lets all fight nice and leave the midgets out of this!!!! - Lord Xivor 15:08, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

You obviously don't know midgets like i do.ExtremeSigPic ExtremeCube19px(contribs) 15:12, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Apparently not. I try to steer clear from close, EXTREMELY personal encounters of miniature peoples. - Lord Xivor 15:15, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I can beat back a few midgets but when they swarm like they did i couldnt save myself. I try to steer clear just like you but i couldn't protect myself.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 15:20, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

brilliant

idea is f****ing brilliant!!! 10 second recharge on warmongers! but as always, you need to watch out for mesmers and D-shot.--204.10.221.253 15:32, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Why thank you, your enthusiasm is appreciated.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 15:40, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Ghostly will d-shot renewal in the first 30 seconds of the match. Lord of all tyria 15:42, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Dont stand close to the ghostly then...It isn't hard.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 15:46, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
I lol'd so hard @ Lord. Ghostly is fcking pro ranger. Railin-WoH Railin 16:35, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
/agree.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:42, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Ghostly once d-shotted my FoMF five times in one round. ): --71.229.204.25 16:50, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
FoMF = 4 second cast.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:51, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Ghostly hit my p-drain the other day. I wasn't happy. Lord of all tyria 16:52, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
If Ghostly hit p-drain that means he was just spamming it, p-drain is 1/4 second cast and d-shot is 1/2 second. Impossible, even with a IAS.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:55, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Probably my fault for spamming half my skillbar in quick succession. Lord of all tyria 16:56, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Yea that might be a problem...but still i have never ever had any problems with Ghostly d-shotting anything.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:58, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Small thing, D shot is actually a 1/4 cast time dispite what the description says.--GatessMoebius Strike IconThe Gates Assassin 17:30, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Its still impossible.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 17:47, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Warmongers

Is really only useful against gimmicky teams, even there it's not great. Against monks, most of their cast times are going to be .25s or .5s cast times. With attack speeds ranging from 1.25s to 1.75s before IAS, you're not going to be interrupting all that often. I'd much rather have the DPS of a glaive or OoS rit, it does more pressure and doesn't bind itself to /E secondary allowing for much more in the way of secondary support.--Goldenstar 22:00, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

I do agree with you, but this has its place on certain teams.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 22:15, 16 April 2008 (EDT)
Warmonger's is gudness. With an IAS you will be interrupting monk skills and HA consists of very large amounts of gimmicky builds, making this useful. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:32, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Additionally you maybe want to add why it got 2 innovation? And if it's placed in it's correct place then it's effective, that's a higher effectiveness. Based on your reason for the vetting you can only lower universality. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:34, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
Innovation is a measure of a builds status as meta or its ability to become meta. Dedicating a whole character to warmonger botting is stupid unless you're running sway, and sway need /Me for expel. Not gonna be meta--Goldenstar 18:36, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
The fact that you got effectiveness wrong still remains. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:06, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
The fact that Goldenstar is basically saying that WW is bad discredits his whole rating.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 22:59, 20 April 2008 (EDT)
Someone needs to get rid of Goldenstars vote, its basically saying that WW is bad and that discredits the whole rating and not being in the great section is hurting my ego. Quick remove it before i QQ more.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 23:29, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Wooooow stop talking about HA please. — SkaKid 20:40, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
...its an HA build.--GatessMoebius Strike IconThe Gates Assassin 20:42, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
I mean Goldenstar. He seriously thinks Warmongers is bad lolololol — SkaKid 20:42, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
What do you mean by the elite isn't worth it? --GatessMoebius Strike IconThe Gates Assassin 16:59, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
You're giving up DwG or smite bonds, when you'll already get HSR a lot anyway. — SkaKid 17:04, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

So i herd

Arcane echo does the same thing and let's you have an elite.--Goldenstar 20:18, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I herd Goldenstar fails. And you can't keep Warmonger's up with a-echo, or at least i didn't think you can. But also a-echo is like energy DRAIN. And also Warmongers is not only used on sway, if you think that then you obiously do any non sway HA.→ You've been pwned.ExtremeSignPic Extreme( Minor Changes Ftl.)( Drama Storage.) 23:01, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
And having a mes secondary means no snare.→ You've been pwned.ExtremeSignPic Extreme( Minor Changes Ftl.)( Drama Storage.) 23:02, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Which is why you run snares somewhere else and have a useful rit?--Goldenstar 20:50, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
OMG, i think that Goldenstar plays only shitway, or at least he acts like it, true?→ You've been pwned.ExtremeSignPic Extreme( Ftl.)( Noobs.) 20:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
No, he's right, you'd take a more useful rit. The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 07:10, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Archive?

Splinter and a-rage got assraped, not too many people are taking rits for much other than rt/mo resto/smite hybrids anymore.--Goldenstar 07:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

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