Discuss <('.'<) <( '.' )> (>'.')>---Canderouss

Imo, Ether Nightmare>Empathy on the necro.--Fallen (talk) 00:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

21 second Ob flesh + 20% enchant mod = 25 seconds... 30 second recharge Ob flesh + 25% less recharge Glyph of swiftness = 22.5 seconds. You don't need Arcane Echo on the tank.Stryk the Lightning 00:46, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

You can place Mantra of resolve in place for protection against interrupts. -Bloodfire

Whirlwind+Aftershock=scatter, not sooo good on the tank, i would take sliver armor and mantra of resolve --Storm Djinn&#039;s HasteIceBird | My talk 01:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I noticed the only energy management is through GoLE and Earth Attunement. If interrupts arent much of a problem you could put maybe Balthazar's Spirit for energy management. From what IceBird said, take out the offensive spells and add Armor of Earth and Sliver Armor. -Bloodfire

REPLACE OF With an infinite-shadow form sin. More support. Cant be killed as easy. Experienced 01:54, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Perma form would be a good idea.--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 02:24, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

farming sorrow's

why? there are much better options in all the other campaigns. Most of the sorrow's greens were already worthless a long time ago. --Mafaraxas (talkcontribs) 03:18, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

not true, most of the greens are worth something as they aren't really being farmed at all these days. However, I don't see why the old build would be inferior to this except if this was intended for HM
I thought the perma sf daggers looked good for hits Canderouss
Also, 4 perma SF + commando bonder would be much better than this. Everlong 05:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

As much as i like this kind of builds gay ursan makes them useless and ruins the game.

I hate ranting Ursan...because it is useless, we cant change anything, but I see, and am very sad how it ruins the game and how it allows COMPLETE N00BS into high levels of the PvE game. Still, making normal builds is good and this one does the job well, people need to get their Black Moa chicks anywai. :3 --Super Igor 19px *ninja!!* 08:11, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Meh I still don't have the damn book, I spent like 10K on the tourney and she hasn't shown herself once >:( Then your so called friends come along saying they have 10 books >:( rawr --SazSigPic Sazzy (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Poor Sazzy :( --Super Igor 19px *ninja!!* 08:41, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Do you have a spare book QQ ? I has all the rest --SazSigPic Sazzy (talk) 08:42, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Cry of Pain

Mesmer hex only. Unless you want an expensive interrupt. — Abedeus User Abedeus Sig 09:04, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

"It is not recomended to change anything." is written under the necro's bar. Cry of pain is then nothing but an interrupt. Take a mesmer hex or any other interrupt if you want a good rating --------Nicho meg 09:22, 4 June 2008 (EDT)


SHouldnt the sin have at least 4 in Air Magic so GoS affects DP and SF? 09:47, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

lol...Quackerz0 10:05, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
ok, I realise that, after testing, doesnt need 4, but it would help. Would recharge a hell of a lot faster. 10:06, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
DP is a stance lol, GoS only affects spells. And if you rlly thinks about it, DP doesn't need to recharge faster at all. It also doesn't need to be active the entire duration to make stuff recharge faster if that's what you're thinking, all what's needed is that you're in the DP stance while you activate SF and you're good. --SazSigPic Sazzy (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2008 (EDT)


Stop failing, you dont have a mesmer hex. --Super Igor 19px *ninja!!* 09:54, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm guessing he did have but he didnt read CoP correctly and removed empathy. 09:57, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
(edit) Unless he was only using it as an interupt, which would mean he wouldn't need 1. 09:58, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

The Monk

HB > WoH as a solo healer i hear. --Driggy 10:50, 4 June 2008 (EDT)


Is there a reason that cant be used here?--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 10:56, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Nope. Other than you'd have to configure an odd version of it, no there's no reason you cant 600 Sorrow's Furnace. 600 can do anything it wants to. albeit sometimes with the addition of a ranger. Unless they have Signet of Disenchantment or Dark Apostasy, but even that can be overcome.-- 13:27, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

a HB monk shuld be better the a WoH monk, liek ursanway monks use

Its Been Quiet...

why is this?--Canderouss

people don't care about farming Sorrow's Furnace is my guess. --Mafaraxas (talkcontribs) 01:54, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

The perma sf sin, if he/she drops Critical Eye for Shadows Refuge to counter wells and traps, can solo all but the monk and war. bosses in HM, so no real need for a 5 man anymore, 2 perma shadow sins = total bossicide. And yeah most of the greens are out-dated, but a great spot for core elite tomes, also the necro has points in death magic why? Mortise 03:05, 7 June 2008 (EDT)


Isnt the Glyph nerfed which resaults in non-infinit Shadow form  ? Canderouss Ordo 01:08, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Aha it's next spell:D

Lets start rating!

but honestly. --Canderousssig Canderouss Ordo 09:55, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Can't SF sins solo anything by themselves? Why do you need a whole build centered around one? 21:14, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
Way much faster--Canderousssig Canderouss Ordo 00:58, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

More explanations

More usage explanation needed. Why a staff for a sin with some dagger skills ? 03:16, 13 June 2008 (EDT)


SF Tank and SF nukers in SF. --Rella 00:19, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

lawlersauce Loser223 02:11, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
lolaphant, very clever... Wise 06:28, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

A question

As much as i adore your dedication to farming Sorrow's Furnace - why not just use the solo warrior build? -- Ghael 13:15, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Old, nerfed few times, can't HM, can't do all quests. And slow, very slow, and not too safe. — Abedeus User Abedeus Sig 14:33, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
monk bar is absolutely hideous, if your going to make a heal/protect, at least add some worthwhile skills Killer Hasy 20:03, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
If it sucks, then change it, it clearly states under it that it is a very versatile spot and can be changed by any healer build.--Canderousssig Canderouss Ordo 13:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
Anyone wanna test this? I can play the Permatank. I'm available at Thursday, from 15:00 to 18:00 in GMT +1. Any interrest ~.~ .. ViYadriaanzsigAdriaanz 10:46, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

No mate, when i referred to the solo warrior build - i only mean taking the Orozar Highstone quest and soloing those bosses; e.g. Rago, Drago, Galigord for drops. The run is relatively quick and if you know how to use the build, safe. Why you would want to do it in hard mode i wouldn't know. -- Ghael 12:07, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Maybe because you have better drops in hm? And elite tomes... Shenkie 18:13, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I Herd

That 1 Heal Monk, 1 Bonder, 1 War Tank, 1 MM, and 1 SS can rick roll SF --Bim sigBim

Thats the old school way of doing it. It should still work no problem

(talk|contribs) 11:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


Has anyone who has viewed this actually tested it?--Ikimono 15:55, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

omg another "HAVE YOU TESTED IT????" guy, no, people dont test anything here, cuz you can sknow what works and doesnt b just looking at it, theorycrafting ftw. ^^ --Super Igor *ninja!!* 16:22, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
That works fine for most PvP. I kinda suspect it doesn't work so well for trying something new in PvE. --71.229 16:26, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
PvE is if something even more predictable than PvP. If you've ran Sorrow's Furnace (wtf is that? Never been there) a few times you should know how the mechanics work, and after reading this article you should be clear about the tactic and should thus be able to get a decent understanding of speed (or effectiveness, whatever is most necessary). Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 06:53, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Arcane Echo on AoE Splat

For some reason i see an Arcane echo instead of necrosis for the AoE splat necro? to Arcane Echo CoP ofcourse. 23:46, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Necrosis will probably deal more damage in the end, and Arcane Echoing Cry of Pain would be hard on the energy. Also, why are there two EBSoW? Take one EBSoW and one EBSoH if you've got high ranks, tbh. ــмıкεнaшк 23:57, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

The Nerf to Shadow Form

should not affect the build; the daggers sin is supposed to trigger mark of pain, and is not the main damage source. Do not archive.--50x19px Çâñdëròú§§ ¿ 23:12, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

why not use the a/d scythe perma build? you could prolly knock off the EB skill. Use a conset. 19pxAce(LVPoW) 11:27, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

more achives

Do we really need something like this in the buildspace still? lootscaling meant non-max party member teams for fell out of grace ages ago for purposes other than running and noone wants this run. Taking a friend and putting together 6 random heroes can complete quests easily enough. AthrunAthrun SigFeya 11:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, archive--TahiriVeila 11:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
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