Discuss <('.'<) <( '.' )> (>'.')>---Canderouss
21 second Ob flesh + 20% enchant mod = 25 seconds... 30 second recharge Ob flesh + 25% less recharge Glyph of swiftness = 22.5 seconds. You don't need Arcane Echo on the tank.Stryk the Lightning 00:46, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- You can place Mantra of resolve in place for protection against interrupts. -Bloodfire
Whirlwind+Aftershock=scatter, not sooo good on the tank, i would take sliver armor and mantra of resolve --
IceBird | My talk 01:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- I noticed the only energy management is through GoLE and Earth Attunement. If interrupts arent much of a problem you could put maybe Balthazar's Spirit for energy management. From what IceBird said, take out the offensive spells and add Armor of Earth and Sliver Armor. -Bloodfire
REPLACE OF
With an infinite-shadow form sin. More support. Cant be killed as easy. Experienced 01:54, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
farming sorrow's
why? there are much better options in all the other campaigns. Most of the sorrow's greens were already worthless a long time ago. --Mafaraxas (talk • contribs) 03:18, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- not true, most of the greens are worth something as they aren't really being farmed at all these days. However, I don't see why the old build would be inferior to this except if this was intended for HM
- I thought the perma sf daggers looked good for hits Canderouss
- Also, 4 perma SF + commando bonder would be much better than this. Everlong 05:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
As much as i like this kind of builds gay ursan makes them useless and ruins the game.
- I hate ranting Ursan...because it is useless, we cant change anything, but I see, and am very sad how it ruins the game and how it allows COMPLETE N00BS into high levels of the PvE game. Still, making normal builds is good and this one does the job well, people need to get their Black Moa chicks anywai. :3 --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 08:11, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- Meh I still don't have the damn book, I spent like 10K on the tourney and she hasn't shown herself once >:( Then your so called friends come along saying they have 10 books >:( rawr --
Sazzy (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- Poor Sazzy :( --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 08:41, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- Meh I still don't have the damn book, I spent like 10K on the tourney and she hasn't shown herself once >:( Then your so called friends come along saying they have 10 books >:( rawr --
Cry of Pain
Mesmer hex only. Unless you want an expensive interrupt. — Abedeus 
09:04, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- "It is not recomended to change anything." is written under the necro's bar. Cry of pain is then nothing but an interrupt. Take a mesmer hex or any other interrupt if you want a good rating --------Nicho meg 09:22, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
GoS
SHouldnt the sin have at least 4 in Air Magic so GoS affects DP and SF? 92.237.14.59 09:47, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- lol...Quackerz0 10:05, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- ok, I realise that, after testing, doesnt need 4, but it would help. Would recharge a hell of a lot faster. 92.237.14.59 10:06, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- DP is a stance lol, GoS only affects spells. And if you rlly thinks about it, DP doesn't need to recharge faster at all. It also doesn't need to be active the entire duration to make stuff recharge faster if that's what you're thinking, all what's needed is that you're in the DP stance while you activate SF and you're good. --
Sazzy (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- DP is a stance lol, GoS only affects spells. And if you rlly thinks about it, DP doesn't need to recharge faster at all. It also doesn't need to be active the entire duration to make stuff recharge faster if that's what you're thinking, all what's needed is that you're in the DP stance while you activate SF and you're good. --
- ok, I realise that, after testing, doesnt need 4, but it would help. Would recharge a hell of a lot faster. 92.237.14.59 10:06, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
CoP
Stop failing, you dont have a mesmer hex. --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 09:54, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- I'm guessing he did have but he didnt read CoP correctly and removed empathy. 92.237.14.59 09:57, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- (edit) Unless he was only using it as an interupt, which would mean he wouldn't need 1. 92.237.14.59 09:58, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
The Monk
HB > WoH as a solo healer i hear. --Driggy 10:50, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
600/smite
Is there a reason that cant be used here?--
RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 10:56, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
- Nope. Other than you'd have to configure an odd version of it, no there's no reason you cant 600 Sorrow's Furnace. 600 can do anything it wants to. albeit sometimes with the addition of a ranger. Unless they have Signet of Disenchantment or Dark Apostasy, but even that can be overcome.--71.67.243.230 13:27, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
a HB monk shuld be better the a WoH monk, liek ursanway monks use
Its Been Quiet...
why is this?--Canderouss
- people don't care about farming Sorrow's Furnace is my guess. --Mafaraxas (talk • contribs) 01:54, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
The perma sf sin, if he/she drops Critical Eye for Shadows Refuge to counter wells and traps, can solo all but the monk and war. bosses in HM, so no real need for a 5 man anymore, 2 perma shadow sins = total bossicide. And yeah most of the greens are out-dated, but a great spot for core elite tomes, also the necro has points in death magic why? Mortise 03:05, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Nerf?
Isnt the Glyph nerfed which resaults in non-infinit Shadow form ?
- uhh..no-- Canderouss Ordo 01:08, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Aha it's next spell:D
Lets start rating!
but honestly. --
Canderouss Ordo 09:55, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
- Can't SF sins solo anything by themselves? Why do you need a whole build centered around one? 67.82.179.27 21:14, 12 June 2008 (EDT)