Archive talk:Team - GvG Balance Dual Smite

i dont rem but isnt this some of the metaish today? Massive 09:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Mesmer and Ranger..

This build is run whit alot of diffrent midlines - Forexample 2x Shatterstone i've seen Paras idk.. But i do think having the Ranger and mesmer is the best option Massive 10:39, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

This isn't that defensive tbh. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:55, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, SoJ and Smiter sounds kinda defensive idk -.:P Massive 11:23, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

o_o Railin 12:03, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

This isn't that defensive apart from the smiter. If it were defensive you'd have a Paragon or a necro instead of the ranger. Stuff like this is generally difficult to counter though. Question - does the magebane actually run a Sloth over Savage? I see savage used a lot more commonly, but maybe it's me. Still a generally strong build.Snow Bunny 12:36, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I haven't obsed this stuff in a while, but it was always Sloth back when I did. --Tab Moo 12:37, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Magebane + d-shot is pretty standard. Savage is only for euro scrubs that spam skills. Btw, if you run savage and need to use it alot you'd run out of energy anyway. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 16:12, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Builds that change 1 midliner don't require a new page, see Tab's GvG builds for examples. — Skakid 13:04, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I do think that this should be renamed though. It's not that defensive. Snow Bunny 17:06, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

The build has 5 defensive characters. How is that not defensive? PENA 12:07, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Eh, because you basicly have 8 defensive chars if you wanna count like that? Srsly, this doesn't have anything more then a 'normal' defense. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 17:56, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

I would change the magebane to cripshot, or at least add in pin down. No snares isn't the best idea.

ARE U SERIOUS???? U have a Full Dedicated snarer oO??? + U dont want to split keep Magbebane + also nice to for itnerrupt stfu X) Massive 16:41, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

what the fuck Railin 16:56, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

^ Having a full dedicated snarer is fairly common. They're called water eles. And cripshots split all the time; it's what YUE and Champ are famous for. So yes, we are serious. Are you that seriously inept?Snow Bunny 17:14, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Magebane with pin down is fine to gank their base too tbh. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 17:55, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Sloth and Pinned Down can be, optionaL? Massive 17:29, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Altought they run Sloth and Pinned but no rez :/- added pinned to variant Massive 18:08, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

This is not defensive lol.--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 18:55, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah I was ABOUT to scream GB2 EUROPE U n00b! When I saw that there was little if any defense. Now I dont get to flip out and say things like that. Looks ALOT like another GvG build tho. I will let you figure out which one. Hint: There's no hint. Wtbursanswtsizzy 19:34, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

New name.. Dual Smite - SoJ mesmer and Monk couldnt find other name

x) Massive 07:12, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Crippling Shoot > Magebane

I think Crippling is better since the builds doesnt have snares :/ - Crippshot is now :D Massive 14:33, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh? You do realize that you don't need a snare when you have a derv throwing around 100dmg+ AoE DW and blowing shit up? If you want a split character, take burning arrow.Snow Bunny 14:44, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

hmm, thou good point..:P Massive 19:23, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Thou the snare is pretty nice it also helps defensive :) Massive 19:27, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Just list Cripshot/Burning arrow as variants then, depending on playstyle. Burning arrow for more aggressive splits, cripshot for movement control on split maps like Frozen, etc. Snow Bunny 19:37, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Smite support

I think pendulum should just be put on main bar.--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 20:31, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Body Blow

I think there may reasons for this that I have overlooked, but why is there Body Blow here as opposed to Executioner's Strike? Body blow costs one less adrenaline and deals less damage than executioner's. seeing as there is no cracked armor in the build, and the adrenaline point doesn't seem to matter that much because evis costs 8 as well, what's the reason for taking BB over ES? ~ Zamanee(point out my idiocy) 21:16, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

The 1 less adr is a big point tbh. 3 dmg is nothing. Also; you can still insta-DW paragons. And b-blow's picture owns. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 03:06, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

The 1 less adr isn't really all that significant. I think it was chiizu, who referencing Body Blow said, "I don't put trash on my bar:. However, supposedly, because of the complex (and might I add fucking sweet) animation of body blow, there's a bit of lag or something that allows you to chiizu step very easily when using it.Snow Bunny 03:21, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

That "I don't put trash on my bar" could well have been in reference to someone saying they use both body blow and executioner's. Don't remember too well though. Lord of all tyria 03:32, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

So loat takes a look at my builds :P Massive 04:31, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

8 for 38 damage is 4.75 damage per pip. 7 for 26 is 5.14 damage per pip. It adds up over time, which in addition Body Blow can DW, meaning overall it has more utility then Executioners.--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 23:22, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't understand this "A for B is C damage per pip" speak. Please esplain. ~ Zamanee(point out my idiocy) 23:46, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

(EC)You chain it after evisc anyway, so you might as well consider body blow 8 adren as well. Also, pips? You mean strikes, right? The build doesn't feature cracked, so there's no advantage to it anyway. Might as well go for the 2 damage exec offers. –Ichigo724 23:46, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

You dont have to chain it after evis, its hawt to just use to like... pressure? (ups). DW on paras is also hawt. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 18:47, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Generic smite+generic front=originalz!

Discuss.

dont really understand oO - Basic thing simple as that, thou smitter monk isnt that old or thats what i think..>PMassive 11:06, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Nerf >(

Well take the Sig Mesmer for Keystone and Wounding for either dual axe or Hammer suggestions oO? Massive 10:18, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Updated!

• Added SoR on the smite monk, (nice synergy whit the Strenght and Honor!)
• Updated the Dervish whit 2 new skills.
• Gave the Sig mesmer Keystone so the punishment from Mantra of Inscprtion is minimized.

Massive 05:25, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Enchanted haste is fine on the Dervish but Lyssa's Assault<Chilling Victory. If you are good the only e-management needed is AI. Besides chilling still does a ton of damage justnot so much as before. Other changes are good thou. SoR basically doubles your hex removal (at least). And keystone allows for moar SoH which is always good. Also helps with things like SoH being d-shotted or diverted. Psychiatric Consultant 18:28, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Whoever made the derv is bad. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 08:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)