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On main page are wrong, you run dual stand your ground, you don't run fall back, I think with dual para you usually go P/Rt on the Cruel Spear and take flesh (if you do that then you usually bring brace yourself instead of cry), or at least sig of return on one of them. Also, if you are running the Emp Removal/Cruel Spear one, you drop mending refrain for stand your ground. However, I'm lazy and cba to change shit round. --'''[[User:Crow|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: blue">Crowels</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Crow|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: red">Mootles</span>]]''' 15:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 
On main page are wrong, you run dual stand your ground, you don't run fall back, I think with dual para you usually go P/Rt on the Cruel Spear and take flesh (if you do that then you usually bring brace yourself instead of cry), or at least sig of return on one of them. Also, if you are running the Emp Removal/Cruel Spear one, you drop mending refrain for stand your ground. However, I'm lazy and cba to change shit round. --'''[[User:Crow|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: blue">Crowels</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Crow|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: red">Mootles</span>]]''' 15:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 
:most is ran with TPIY paragon with mending refrain and finale of restoration, and gfte on the other. [[User:Unexist|<font color="green">—ǘŋ</font>]][[User talk:Unexist|<font color="black">Ɛxɩsƫ</font>]] 13:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 
:most is ran with TPIY paragon with mending refrain and finale of restoration, and gfte on the other. [[User:Unexist|<font color="green">—ǘŋ</font>]][[User talk:Unexist|<font color="black">Ɛxɩsƫ</font>]] 13:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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==Archive==
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Only reason to run this was huge finale heal. Now that it's been nerfed it's kind of pointless to run two paras--[[User:TahiriVeila|TahiriVeila]] 14:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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: You can replace Finale with Energizing, still works like a charm..
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::[[File:Slap.jpg|100px]] Shit was nerfed to make any paragon build but imbagon not work. gg anet for that pointless paragon update. --[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="brown">"My beard is thick."</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 16:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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== [qft] ==
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ran this with a MoI water ele, Glass Arrows ranger that used Precision Shot + Keen Arrow (over NR), and WoH was prot hybrid (had Guardian, atleast). I mostly focused on checking out Para bars because I didn't take time to check if this is on PvX or not. TPIY Para had Energizing Finale over Finale of Restoration, and also had Wild Throw over Vicious. Flagger was Rt/E Shackles. Opposing team ran same bars with BA, Defy War and OoS Flagger. Dual GftE, no Wild Throw, Soldier's Fury over TPIY and specced into command for stuff like Never Surrender. qft seemed to have better bars, and I want to mainbarrrrrrrrr. --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="deeppink">ao</font><font color="black">s-</font>]]</span>''' 12:47, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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:The opposing team used a Balthazar's Pendelum smiteprot :> --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="deeppink">ao</font><font color="black">s-</font>]]</span>''' 13:05, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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{{mini skill bar|Primal Rage|optional|optional|optional|optional|optional|optional|Resurrection Signet}}{{mini skill bar|Glass Arrows|Precision Shot|Keen Arrow|Distracting Shot|Savage Shot|Lightning Reflexes|Rend Enchantments|Resurrection Signet}}{{mini skill bar|"The Power Is Yours!"|Anthem of Flame|Wild Throw|Spear of Lightning|Energizing Finale|Mending Refrain|Aggressive Refrain|optional}}{{mini skill bar|Empathic Removal|"Go for the Eyes!"|Anthem of Envy|Spear of Lightning|Vicious Attack|Anthem of Flame|Aggressive Refrain|Resurrection Signet}}{{mini skill bar|Shard Storm|Freezing Gust|Blurred Vision|Rust|Aura of Restoration|Mirror of Ice|Water Attunement|Flesh of My Flesh}}{{mini skill bar|Restore Condition|Guardian|Spirit Bond|Reversal of Fortune|Divine Spirit|Deny Hexes|Aura of Stability|Balanced Stance}}{{mini skill bar|Word of Healing|Guardian|Patient Spirit|Signet of Rejuvenation|Vigorous Spirit|Cure Hex|Infuse Health|Disciplined Stance}}{{mini skill bar|Icy Shackles|Weapon of Warding|Resilient Weapon|Soothing Memories|Protective Was Kaolai|Recuperation|Armor of Mist|Glyph of Lesser Energy}}
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No idea what the 8th skill on the WoH is, and these guys never had to res so meh, and I'm a lazy and dumb bitch who can't use common sense to fill in either skill. --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="deeppink">ao</font><font color="black">s-</font>]]</span>''' 13:40, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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:It's always been, W/x - P/Mo - P/x - R/x - Optional Midliners - Monks - Runner. The optional midliner can be anything from a CC Rit, MoI Ele, MB Ele, you could probably stick in a PB Mesmer tooo. --[[User:Frosty|<font color="blue"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty</span></font>]] [[PvX:ADMIN|<font color="red"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin</span></font>]] 13:44, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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Also I still think Finale of Resto is worth it, it's in essence 300 health over time. --[[User:Frosty|<font color="blue"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty</span></font>]] [[PvX:ADMIN|<font color="red"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin</span></font>]] 13:46, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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:The way those monks were able to spam skills was quite impressive, tho. Much due to TPIY I'd guess, tho. --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="deeppink">ao</font><font color="black">s-</font>]]</span>''' 13:51, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
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Is Soldiers Fury meta because StS used it? I'd rather have my utility, and I havent seen any other guilds use SF Paras. --'''<small>[[user:Angelus...|<font color="Purple">Angel</font>]][[user talk:Angelus...|<font color="Blue">us</font>]]</small>'''[[File:Evertonangelus.gif|14px]] 03:17, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
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:its kind of an agreement among highe players that TPIY is nice but not necessary, 'especially' with a water ele and dual stand your ground. soldiers fury compacts your bar and allows you to spam your envy, keeping your energy up for more spear attacks and higher DPS. [[User:Gringo|Gringo]] 03:24, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
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:The opposing [GvG] used a Soldier's Para, but the team setup was so horrible that I didn't list it. Might be somewhere in this page history tho :> --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font><font color="deeppink">ao</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">s is</font><font color="deeppink"> gay -</font>]]</span>''' 11:23, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
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== Super Popular ==
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Is it just me or is like every guild running dual para now?????? [[User:Ajsnuker|<font color="green" size="2px">Ajsnuker</font>]] 00:44, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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:c, I heard they are. --'''<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">[[User:Chaos|<font color="deeppink">-Chaos-]] ([[User_talk:Chaos|talk]]) </font></span>'''-- 13:03, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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:you're only about two weeks late noticing this --'''<small>[[user:Angelus...|<font color="Purple">Angel</font>]][[user talk:Angelus...|<font color="Blue">us</font>]]</small>'''[[File:Evertonangelus.gif|14px]] 15:01, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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::ye, high armor, spike assistance, and healing support. I'm really surprised that they're still run after the Finale nerf though.--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="Brown">"...And my axe"</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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:::they also own the tiebreaker, which means finale or not this build is perfect for current gvg. [[User:Gringo|Gringo]] 15:56, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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:::: Well.... I guess it seems that this is going to dominate the GvG metagame for a while. Stand your ground rules! [[User:Ajsnuker|<font color="green" size="2px">Ajsnuker</font>]] 23:56, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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:::::anet will find a way to nerf it...... trust me --'''<small>[[user:Angelus...|<font color="Purple">Angel</font>]][[user talk:Angelus...|<font color="Blue">us</font>]]</small>'''[[File:Evertonangelus.gif|14px]] 23:57, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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::::::mirror of ice and stand your ground tbh. water ele that gives snares, defense, and 170 spike damage is too OP to ignore. [[User:Gringo|Gringo]] 00:01, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::100% agreed --'''<small>[[user:Angelus...|<font color="Purple">Angel</font>]][[user talk:Angelus...|<font color="Blue">us</font>]]</small>'''[[File:Evertonangelus.gif|14px]] 13:59, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::People need to run more Pblock :> --[[User:Frosty|<font color="blue"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty</span></font>]] [[PvX:ADMIN|<font color="red"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin</span></font>]] 14:10, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::And then get bitchy and run water mesmers... wait, this seems familiar... <font face="Courier New">C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?[[Image:Panic_Sig_Cursor.gif]]</font> 14:22, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::Atleast they dont get MoI! --[[User:Frosty|<font color="blue"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Frosty</span></font>]] [[PvX:ADMIN|<font color="red"><span style="font-family:mistral, cursive;">Mc Admin</span></font>]] 14:30, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::::I miss being a brave Cockblock Mesmer. :< Maybe tonight I'll be nig and run one somewhere like Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood. #_______^ <font face="Courier New">C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?[[Image:Panic_Sig_Cursor.gif]]</font> 14:35, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::::JQ is the best place ever to run a cockblock mesmer. Having snares is also a boon.--[[Special:Contributions/66.192.104.13|66.192.104.13]] 15:07, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

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no pnh and no DA? ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

lol Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 18:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
PnH no longer helps you against dedicated hexways anyway, might as well bring another elite that helps you cope with other builds.Lightningbolt siguɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 19:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Paragon bars Edit

Most common are: <pvxbig> [build prof=Paragon/Ritualist]["The Power Is Yours!"][Spear of Lightning][Wild Throw][Mending Refrain][Energizing Finale][Anthem of Flame][Aggressive Refrain][Resurrection Signet][/build] [build prof=Paragon/Mesmer][Cruel Spear][vicious attack]["Go for the Eyes!"][Cry of Frustration]["Never Surrender!"][Anthem of Weariness][Aggressive Refrain][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> ~ Tycncookiesig Tycn [a] 14:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


Actually; PnH with deny is still quite viable. Both para bars are viable but should have dual vicious if taking dual gfte. Deep wound > damage. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 14:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


Bars Edit

On main page are wrong, you run dual stand your ground, you don't run fall back, I think with dual para you usually go P/Rt on the Cruel Spear and take flesh (if you do that then you usually bring brace yourself instead of cry), or at least sig of return on one of them. Also, if you are running the Emp Removal/Cruel Spear one, you drop mending refrain for stand your ground. However, I'm lazy and cba to change shit round. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 15:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

most is ran with TPIY paragon with mending refrain and finale of restoration, and gfte on the other. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 13:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

ArchiveEdit

Only reason to run this was huge finale heal. Now that it's been nerfed it's kind of pointless to run two paras--TahiriVeila 14:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

You can replace Finale with Energizing, still works like a charm..
Slap Shit was nerfed to make any paragon build but imbagon not work. gg anet for that pointless paragon update. --Ikimono"My beard is thick."Monk-Paragon-icon 16:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

[qft] Edit

ran this with a MoI water ele, Glass Arrows ranger that used Precision Shot + Keen Arrow (over NR), and WoH was prot hybrid (had Guardian, atleast). I mostly focused on checking out Para bars because I didn't take time to check if this is on PvX or not. TPIY Para had Energizing Finale over Finale of Restoration, and also had Wild Throw over Vicious. Flagger was Rt/E Shackles. Opposing team ran same bars with BA, Defy War and OoS Flagger. Dual GftE, no Wild Throw, Soldier's Fury over TPIY and specced into command for stuff like Never Surrender. qft seemed to have better bars, and I want to mainbarrrrrrrrr. ---Chaos- 12:47, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

The opposing team used a Balthazar's Pendelum smiteprot :> ---Chaos- 13:05, September 22, 2009 (UTC)


Primal Rage Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Resurrection Signet
Glass Arrows Precision Shot Keen Arrow Distracting Shot Savage Shot Lightning Reflexes Rend Enchantments Resurrection Signet
&quot;The Power Is Yours!&quot; Anthem of Flame Wild Throw Spear of Lightning Energizing Finale Mending Refrain Aggressive Refrain Optional
Empathic Removal &quot;Go for the Eyes!&quot; Anthem of Envy Spear of Lightning Vicious Attack Anthem of Flame Aggressive Refrain Resurrection Signet
Shard Storm Freezing Gust Blurred Vision Rust Aura of Restoration Mirror of Ice Water Attunement Flesh of My Flesh
Restore Condition Guardian Spirit Bond Reversal of Fortune Divine Spirit Deny Hexes Aura of Stability Balanced Stance
Word of Healing Guardian Patient Spirit Signet of Rejuvenation Vigorous Spirit Cure Hex Infuse Health Disciplined Stance
Icy Shackles Weapon of Warding Resilient Weapon Soothing Memories Protective Was Kaolai Recuperation Armor of Mist Glyph of Lesser Energy

No idea what the 8th skill on the WoH is, and these guys never had to res so meh, and I'm a lazy and dumb bitch who can't use common sense to fill in either skill. ---Chaos- 13:40, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

It's always been, W/x - P/Mo - P/x - R/x - Optional Midliners - Monks - Runner. The optional midliner can be anything from a CC Rit, MoI Ele, MB Ele, you could probably stick in a PB Mesmer tooo. --Frosty Mc Admin 13:44, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Also I still think Finale of Resto is worth it, it's in essence 300 health over time. --Frosty Mc Admin 13:46, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

The way those monks were able to spam skills was quite impressive, tho. Much due to TPIY I'd guess, tho. ---Chaos- 13:51, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Is Soldiers Fury meta because StS used it? I'd rather have my utility, and I havent seen any other guilds use SF Paras. --AngelusEvertonangelus 03:17, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

its kind of an agreement among highe players that TPIY is nice but not necessary, 'especially' with a water ele and dual stand your ground. soldiers fury compacts your bar and allows you to spam your envy, keeping your energy up for more spear attacks and higher DPS. Gringo 03:24, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
The opposing [GvG] used a Soldier's Para, but the team setup was so horrible that I didn't list it. Might be somewhere in this page history tho :> ---Chaos is gay - 11:23, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Super Popular Edit

Is it just me or is like every guild running dual para now?????? Ajsnuker 00:44, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

c, I heard they are. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:03, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
you're only about two weeks late noticing this --AngelusEvertonangelus 15:01, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
ye, high armor, spike assistance, and healing support. I'm really surprised that they're still run after the Finale nerf though.--Ikimono"...And my axe"Monk-Paragon-icon 15:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
they also own the tiebreaker, which means finale or not this build is perfect for current gvg. Gringo 15:56, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
Well.... I guess it seems that this is going to dominate the GvG metagame for a while. Stand your ground rules! Ajsnuker 23:56, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
anet will find a way to nerf it...... trust me --AngelusEvertonangelus 23:57, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
mirror of ice and stand your ground tbh. water ele that gives snares, defense, and 170 spike damage is too OP to ignore. Gringo 00:01, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
100% agreed --AngelusEvertonangelus 13:59, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
People need to run more Pblock :> --Frosty Mc Admin 14:10, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
And then get bitchy and run water mesmers... wait, this seems familiar... C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?Panic Sig Cursor 14:22, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Atleast they dont get MoI! --Frosty Mc Admin 14:30, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
I miss being a brave Cockblock Mesmer. :< Maybe tonight I'll be nig and run one somewhere like Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood. #_______^ C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?Panic Sig Cursor 14:35, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
JQ is the best place ever to run a cockblock mesmer. Having snares is also a boon.--66.192.104.13 15:07, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
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