this is such strongness! Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 15:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

brave, monks could use work~WaffleZWafflesigLOL(contribs) 05:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Those atts really run on Mels now? We'll need to update Build:R/Mo Melandru's Shot Ranger if so. I thought 14 exp was run so savage only costs 4e. Toraen talk 05:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
This is not as good as it used to be. Monks now know how to handle the situation. Before, when this was new (3 months ago?), this was awesome.. Adriaanz 13:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Tbh, it's still rolls face. Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 13:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
^ if they don't send back enough heal/prot power, they get rolled splitside, if they do, they get rolled standside, have to be careful what you do when facing thisClose Impact 17:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What's the point of having two hammer wars and a ranger with cripple if your two fire eles don't have DoT spells? 20:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Because this gvg where you use your brain, not ha. the eles are splitting so will usually not be with the stand team. your ranger gives you superb movement control and hammer wars keep the monks on their ass and outpressure the stand team while your eles pump fucktons of damage to outpressure what the send back.~WaffleZWafflesigLOL(contribs) 21:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Because your keeping healers on the ground while doing big damage is good? Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 22:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Waffle Z, you had so many spelling errors in there...still interpretable...but come on man. Anyway, i saw this do pretty well against another team.--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 22:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
What spelling errors? I realize words like fucktons or eles are not words, but they're acceptable GW jargon. Maybe outpressure needs to be out-pressure, but you'd be fucking splitting hairs then. 01:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
More grammer than spelling. Should be "this IS GvG", no capitals at the starts of sentances, plural monks but singular ass (wierd monks) and should be "what THEY send back" not "what THE send back". Arguably "YOUR hammer wars" would read better too. TBH though not many ppl use Shift and typos are no big deal. And regardless, what he said was true. 10:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


Add a mini skill bar at the top. It's self explanitory but maybe a little bit of equipment, usage info, variants...anything? This looks like a stub with thought put into it to the naked eye.... Kurzick FTW 00:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thiss is better...

Dont really care, but this one is MUCH better..(Also this is one older:P) Massive Image-Massive Sig 10:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

They differ by about 4 odd skills... Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 11:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


It does make kills and can win, but the problem is it only usually works against terrible euros, and even against them it struggles, since terrible euros run lots of defense :>. Usually all that needs to be done is sending back prot and rit and main team just rape them, and if there are problems at either side you just collapse their split. Having said that, I suppose on some maps like frozen it can win fairly consistently up to r100/150. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 23:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Cripshot > Melshot

I usually see cripshot run over melshot when running dual mind blast split JonasGWWAvatar Jonas 18:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

No and no. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 14:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Fire eles and ice prison...

why..? contradiction imo FleshAtrophy

I was going to say something too but stopped cause i guessed that you're just not supposed to torch the guy you put it on. But honestly...2 second cast, 30 second recharge is really bad for a snare.--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 01:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I guess its only to be used on opposing runner. --Anonimous. D: 19:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

res sig in the middle of that ele bar.

It's making my eye twitch.--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 17:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

smoke lessClose Impact 20:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I think none of the eles should have it since they will be on split and are pretty much immortal (if you are smart enough to leave when 5 collapse on you O_o) this split is so epic when played well. Umm also, is usually called yumy split... or that's what ive heard it being called as.Joan %SpamzGodz 18:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


Frenzy>Flail. 14:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The only real benefit you gain from that is Pulverizing (which is <3<3 btw.) and a more reliable IMS. Though, that's not worth giving up e-charge for imo because e-charge is even more <3<3 Brandnew 16:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
and you wont have the energy or a shield--Relyk 03:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

4 KDs makes me a happy panda, straight 5-5 for this imo Drownz 16:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


This is probably one of the only split builds that works well on burning. You should put E/Ds in the optionals for ATs, they're so mobile and the short gap between bases means its really, really easy to collapse on their main after they send monks back. Reunion 11:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I do agree, obviously if your on burning you should always take /D. Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 14:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
On burning you should just run spikes and not splits. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 14:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, so if you play with a split guild and you AT and come on burning what do you do? Run some 8v8 spike vs a guild that is clearly better at it? Not to mention this build with dual e/d is buildwars versus spikes. Reunion 14:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
It's amazing how E/D's can actually run through the fire without stopping, pew pew splits on burning! Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 14:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Ffffuuuuuuuucccc--Ikimono"a rabid grizzly bear"Monk-Paragon-icon 19:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Well; if you're a guild that can only run splits you're a bad guild anyway. Those hexes are lots and lots easier to run. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Can I run this with heroes?

The monks and eles?

Never run hero healers in GvG. you could run the eles, but they're dumb and will just spam with no specific target in mind unless you force them every few seconds.--Ikimono"a rabid grizzly bear"Monk-Paragon-icon 19:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Find me a build that will win a crappy GvG match that uses 4 heroes. Just need to get the 7.5k faction from Zaishen quest every once in a while. Infinite 02:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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omg so hard to find decent heroway Smurf Ohai 08:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hrm, I'm not sure you have enough monks Smurf. Have you considered a monk runner? Misery CowMisery Says Moo 11:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
There's a ZB runner somewhere.--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man"Monk-Paragon-icon 04:19, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Name change

Can somebody move this to a different name? Since it isn't run with 2 mind blasts as much anymore I thought I'd change to what is run! I'll end up fucking it up if I move it. --Crow 22:16, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Good enough name? Thunda Sig 2Pimpstronghand 22:18, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
Suppose that's fine. Cheers! --Crow 22:21, November 25, 2009 (UTC)


Replace Me/Mo with 2nd MB ele? IoP build is dated and monk flaggers are re-appearing making it even harder for the mesmer to keep up IoP. Nobody runs this anymore but dual MB is still quite popular.-- 01:16, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

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