someone write it up, gogogo.--TahiriVeila 18:01, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
- And why can't you? Karate
Jesus 18:03, 26 February 2010
- leaving to go skiing for the weekend in 10 mins.--TahiriVeila 18:05, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
now that youre back from your ski trip, lets get this fantastic and meta build vetted. Gringo 05:28, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'll write it up when I wake up tomorrow if it is not already. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]
05:36, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- K, done. Although I probably have an attribute or two wrong. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] 18:38, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'll write up usages later tonight and probably mainbar an MoI ele instead of the second mind shock--TahiriVeila 20:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- K, done. Although I probably have an attribute or two wrong. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]
- I'll write it up when I wake up tomorrow if it is not already. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman]
no interrupts, no snares, very few kd's/disruption, can't really split defensively at all (or offensively unless you sit paras in lord room, for that youd have to kill most npcs), and without any snares you can't really collapse at all. also i doubt this will kill with people on lightning shields, and the only spike skills the eles have are exhaustion meaning if you spike more then every 30s the exhaustion will add up pretty quickly. the only defense in the build is largely reliant upon the attunements (he wont be managing his 15e blind without attune up). i really dont see the point of the build Oo Gringo 20:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm dropping one mind shock for a an MoI, as that's what we run more often than not. Mind shock eles are bad, that's why they've been a spike staple for over a year now. You're the best. Counter-split with mind shock ele (one can solo a ranger under right conditions). Also: no one plays ladder anymore. You run this on 8v8 maps like imperial.--TahiriVeila 03:40, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- when did i say mind shock was bad? most have two spike skills, so they dont have to exhaust themselves out genius. and what are you smoking "mind shock can solo a ranger", where the fuck do you get that. this is just our Dual Paragon build with the ranger out for a snare ele. and the people that come to pvx do ladder still genius, why would top 50 players get their builds off here? Gringo 05:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I forgot that we don't carry bars build for AT play and that you can't spike with shell shock or shock arrow. You're right about the similarity to the current dual paragon build, but I feel that the axe war, mind shock, & MoI differ enough from the hammer, ranger, and bsurge/MB to warrant a seperate page. If others disagree I'll be happy to let this page be deleted and variants listed on the other dual paragon page.--TahiriVeila 05:09, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- alright you go on spiking with your mighty shock arrow, you've always got GoLE to back up your mighty pool of energy. owait. dont say dumb things. and you just went from "no one ladders" to "oh we can have ladder and at bars" pretty fast. think before you type twat. and i still want to know how the fuck a mind shock can solo a r/mo. ill read your awesome response when i wake up tomorrow. Gringo 05:13, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- also: LOLREJUVENATION. Gringo 05:14, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Rejuv is pretty strong party healing (especially countering a split when you only have 2-3 players in range). Change to Resil means you can't to spam it as often as you could before and glyph isn't necessary. It's a perfectly viable skill if you know how to flag =\ Shell shock + 25% armor pen does a number on a ranger, if a flagger can drop a shackles on him you can often do enough damage to push a kill or at least force him to get the hell out. Why are you trying to get me angry? It's really not working...I'm not interested in getting into screaming matches with you anymore. I'm going to write up my article. If you bitch enough I'm sure you can get it trashed. If you feel you need to do that, go for it.--TahiriVeila 05:19, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- rejuv will last for like 5 seconds with the number of people in earshot. and how is "mind shock can beat a ranger 1v1" the same if there is a rit there to help the mind shock. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and sup mend touch on cracked armor. if you want to say dumb things then respond "i dont want to get into screaming matches" then thats fine, just consider not saying dumb things in the first place. and gole is an amazing fucking skill, only a dumb vr player would bring rejuvenation. Gringo 16:35, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Obs finals + half a dozen matches in the mAT. see rejuv. kthx--TahiriVeila 16:49, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- People only ran rejuv with Rit Lord........ --Frosty
16:56, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Wat? I thought yumy ran it with shackles in the final, or was that a Rt/A? I can';t remember. If i'm being a nobr change it plox--TahiriVeila 18:09, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- who'd have thunk it. Gringo 18:50, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- You were! yumy ran that rit lord runner in the final, rejuv is only good with it because by the time it has died it will be recharged again, + you get high spawning power high resto for it so it becomes pretty decent, a bit like old recup. --Frosty 18:52, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Wat? I thought yumy ran it with shackles in the final, or was that a Rt/A? I can';t remember. If i'm being a nobr change it plox--TahiriVeila 18:09, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- People only ran rejuv with Rit Lord........ --Frosty
- Obs finals + half a dozen matches in the mAT. see rejuv. kthx--TahiriVeila 16:49, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- rejuv will last for like 5 seconds with the number of people in earshot. and how is "mind shock can beat a ranger 1v1" the same if there is a rit there to help the mind shock. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and sup mend touch on cracked armor. if you want to say dumb things then respond "i dont want to get into screaming matches" then thats fine, just consider not saying dumb things in the first place. and gole is an amazing fucking skill, only a dumb vr player would bring rejuvenation. Gringo 16:35, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Rejuv is pretty strong party healing (especially countering a split when you only have 2-3 players in range). Change to Resil means you can't to spam it as often as you could before and glyph isn't necessary. It's a perfectly viable skill if you know how to flag =\ Shell shock + 25% armor pen does a number on a ranger, if a flagger can drop a shackles on him you can often do enough damage to push a kill or at least force him to get the hell out. Why are you trying to get me angry? It's really not working...I'm not interested in getting into screaming matches with you anymore. I'm going to write up my article. If you bitch enough I'm sure you can get it trashed. If you feel you need to do that, go for it.--TahiriVeila 05:19, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, I forgot that we don't carry bars build for AT play and that you can't spike with shell shock or shock arrow. You're right about the similarity to the current dual paragon build, but I feel that the axe war, mind shock, & MoI differ enough from the hammer, ranger, and bsurge/MB to warrant a seperate page. If others disagree I'll be happy to let this page be deleted and variants listed on the other dual paragon page.--TahiriVeila 05:09, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
- when did i say mind shock was bad? most have two spike skills, so they dont have to exhaust themselves out genius. and what are you smoking "mind shock can solo a ranger", where the fuck do you get that. this is just our Dual Paragon build with the ranger out for a snare ele. and the people that come to pvx do ladder still genius, why would top 50 players get their builds off here? Gringo 05:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
Fixed bars. Will write up proper usages and fix equipments tomorrow. Might aqs well move into testing--TahiriVeila 03:52, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
wut
1 warrior means any somewhat intelligent monk just stalks the warrior with guardian; also: blind on the warrior, blurred on the warrior, snares on the warrior, lineback warrior... he isn't going to be able to do shit. And the paragons are unsplittable squishy pieces of shit with -20 armor + cracked armor on them. 76.185.20.44 01:23, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
- you must not be familiar with vR. Gringo 03:20, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Did you mis the mindshock knocking prots on every spike? Learn to fake a spike plox, you have rush for a reason. Also, wot're paragons calling caster spikes? Both paragons + ele + shell shock + a mind shock on prot is enough to kill =\ --TahiriVeila 18:03, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
- 2 paras plus one water plus shell shock won't do 600 damage, sorry to break it to you. and using mind shock ONLY like you would use gale completely defeats the point of the 70+ damage. either you dont understand how to run the build, or you are just bad at explaining it. Gringo 18:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC)