Talk: Team - GvG Mind Shock Spike

someone write it up, gogogo.--TahiriVeila 18:01, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

And why can't you? Karate Jesus 18:03, 26 February 2010

leaving to go skiing for the weekend in 10 mins.--TahiriVeila 18:05, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

now that youre back from your ski trip, lets get this fantastic and meta build vetted. Gringo 05:28, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'll write it up when I wake up tomorrow if it is not already. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] 05:36, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

K, done. Although I probably have an attribute or two wrong. Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] 18:38, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'll write up usages later tonight and probably mainbar an MoI ele instead of the second mind shock--TahiriVeila 20:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

no interrupts, no snares, very few kd's/disruption, can't really split defensively at all (or offensively unless you sit paras in lord room, for that youd have to kill most npcs), and without any snares you can't really collapse at all. also i doubt this will kill with people on lightning shields, and the only spike skills the eles have are exhaustion meaning if you spike more then every 30s the exhaustion will add up pretty quickly. the only defense in the build is largely reliant upon the attunements (he wont be managing his 15e blind without attune up). i really dont see the point of the build Oo Gringo 20:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm dropping one mind shock for a an MoI, as that's what we run more often than not. Mind shock eles are bad, that's why they've been a spike staple for over a year now. You're the best. Counter-split with mind shock ele (one can solo a ranger under right conditions). Also: no one plays ladder anymore. You run this on 8v8 maps like imperial.--TahiriVeila 03:40, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

when did i say mind shock was bad? most have two spike skills, so they dont have to exhaust themselves out genius. and what are you smoking "mind shock can solo a ranger", where the fuck do you get that. this is just our Dual Paragon build with the ranger out for a snare ele. and the people that come to pvx do ladder still genius, why would top 50 players get their builds off here? Gringo 05:04, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot that we don't carry bars build for AT play and that you can't spike with shell shock or shock arrow. You're right about the similarity to the current dual paragon build, but I feel that the axe war, mind shock, & MoI differ enough from the hammer, ranger, and bsurge/MB to warrant a seperate page. If others disagree I'll be happy to let this page be deleted and variants listed on the other dual paragon page.--TahiriVeila 05:09, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

alright you go on spiking with your mighty shock arrow, you've always got GoLE to back up your mighty pool of energy. owait. dont say dumb things. and you just went from "no one ladders" to "oh we can have ladder and at bars" pretty fast. think before you type twat. and i still want to know how the fuck a mind shock can solo a r/mo. ill read your awesome response when i wake up tomorrow. Gringo 05:13, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

also: LOLREJUVENATION. Gringo 05:14, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Rejuv is pretty strong party healing (especially countering a split when you only have 2-3 players in range). Change to Resil means you can't to spam it as often as you could before and glyph isn't necessary. It's a perfectly viable skill if you know how to flag =\ Shell shock + 25% armor pen does a number on a ranger, if a flagger can drop a shackles on him you can often do enough damage to push a kill or at least force him to get the hell out. Why are you trying to get me angry? It's really not working...I'm not interested in getting into screaming matches with you anymore. I'm going to write up my article. If you bitch enough I'm sure you can get it trashed. If you feel you need to do that, go for it.--TahiriVeila 05:19, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

rejuv will last for like 5 seconds with the number of people in earshot. and how is "mind shock can beat a ranger 1v1" the same if there is a rit there to help the mind shock. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and sup mend touch on cracked armor. if you want to say dumb things then respond "i dont want to get into screaming matches" then thats fine, just consider not saying dumb things in the first place. and gole is an amazing fucking skill, only a dumb vr player would bring rejuvenation. Gringo 16:35, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Obs finals + half a dozen matches in the mAT. see rejuv. kthx--TahiriVeila 16:49, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

People only ran rejuv with Rit Lord........ --Frosty 16:56, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wat? I thought yumy ran it with shackles in the final, or was that a Rt/A? I can';t remember. If i'm being a nobr change it plox--TahiriVeila 18:09, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

who'd have thunk it. Gringo 18:50, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

You were! yumy ran that rit lord runner in the final, rejuv is only good with it because by the time it has died it will be recharged again, + you get high spawning power high resto for it so it becomes pretty decent, a bit like old recup. --Frosty 18:52, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed bars. Will write up proper usages and fix equipments tomorrow. Might aqs well move into testing--TahiriVeila 03:52, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

wut

1 warrior means any somewhat intelligent monk just stalks the warrior with guardian; also: blind on the warrior, blurred on the warrior, snares on the warrior, lineback warrior... he isn't going to be able to do shit. And the paragons are unsplittable squishy pieces of shit with -20 armor + cracked armor on them. 76.185.20.44 01:23, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

you must not be familiar with vR. Gringo 03:20, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Did you mis the mindshock knocking prots on every spike? Learn to fake a spike plox, you have rush for a reason. Also, wot're paragons calling caster spikes? Both paragons + ele + shell shock + a mind shock on prot is enough to kill =\ --TahiriVeila 18:03, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

2 paras plus one water plus shell shock won't do 600 damage, sorry to break it to you. and using mind shock ONLY like you would use gale completely defeats the point of the 70+ damage. either you dont understand how to run the build, or you are just bad at explaining it. Gringo 18:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Of course you don't don't ONLY use mind shock as gale, my point was that if you need to you can have the prot knocked on every spike. And apparently you haven't played the build, b/c caster spikes (particularly those on DP'd targets or casters on 40/40s, wot's field awareness m8?) are plenty of damage to kill, when you've got shell shocks at 17, anthem of envy, shard storm and followups with shock arrow/mindshocks/freezing you're pumping BIG damage.--TahiriVeila 18:13, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, no point in arguing with you further since you're obviously convinced it doesn't work despite obs mode and anecdotal evidence. So just vote whatever you want and stfu.--TahiriVeila 18:14, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

you keep saying things, and then going back and changing them. "Did you mis the mindshock knocking prots on every spike?". then after you change it you always say "oh i'll stop arguing". and whats obs mode got to do with it? i saw vr run this for one match, and i've never seen it since. idc who the fuck runs a build, i care if it works (unlike you, who is so brainless the only way you vote on builds is if your friends run them). Gringo 18:17, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

and personal anecdotes from people who bsurge for one single guild once a month mean nothing btw. Gringo 18:19, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

This has legitimate potential to score kills and has enough defense to survive long enough to score those kills. If you think otherwise you're stupid; this build does what it's designed to do. Jonas 22:23, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Somebody who actually gets what a spike build is supposed to do wat.--TahiriVeila 22:38, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

But I think that Martyr > Empathic removal, and Strip enchantment > glyph of elemental power Jonas 00:23, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

a person who just said that ^ is the only person supporting you jake. Gringo 00:28, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

ERemoval counters Seeping, if you run Strip + Mind Shock it'll be zz on spikes. --Chaos? -- 00:25, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

We occasionally run maryr, we had empathic more when bsurge was more common though. With all the blood mesmers around we use martyr more now though, we should probably variant it. It's great for pulling bleeding + poison off half a team. Strip is nice but glyph makes you PUMP--TahiriVeila 01:57, March 4, 2010 (UTC)