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Take away the WoH Mes and put in something more useful, like another LoD for more anti-spike or maybe a Rupter. I believe the healers can cover the healing.--[[User:Syncretic|Syncretic]] 15:19, July 16, 2010 (UTC) |
Take away the WoH Mes and put in something more useful, like another LoD for more anti-spike or maybe a Rupter. I believe the healers can cover the healing.--[[User:Syncretic|Syncretic]] 15:19, July 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :1)a 3rd LoD would be less anti-spike, and more anti-pressure. 2) easier said than done; healing a team of 8 squishies is harder to do than you would think [[User:Rikk Panda|Rikk Panda]] 16:28, July 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::sorry, meant pressure. and you're probably right.--[[User:Syncretic|Syncretic]] 16:32, July 16, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | == Meta? == |
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+ | [ViP] and [cFs] have been wreaking a bit of havok with both variations. eh? [[Special:Contributions/72.148.243.147|72.148.243.147]] 23:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :I played vs this team and 3/6 Mesmers died to knights. -[[User:Extreme zer0|Extreme Zer0]] 18:11, July 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::That reason holds no merit because it's based on player skill. And yeah, [ViP] alone went from r80's to r30's running only this spike because it works. plain and simple [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="2px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]] [[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 01:10, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :::Going from rank 80 to rank 30 is an almost impossible feat. --[[User:Crow|Crow]] 02:41, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :::: Never said it was hard, I just said it happened with this and variations of this build. [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="2px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]] [[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 09:06, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::My point was going from rank 80 to 30 doesn't require a brilliant build. --[[User:Crow|Crow]] 14:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::You're absolutely correct. It doesn't. And this isn't a brilliant build. There's nothing brilliant about a 3-2-1 1->2 spike, but then again I guess that's why it's so capable. [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="2px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]] [[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 22:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::::wat --[[User:Crow|Crow]] 00:22, July 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | == Mind Wrack? == |
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+ | Why don't one of the spikers spike with mind wrack? the target will already be hexed and as long as it gets put up a little before the other spikers thats an extra ~140 damage or so.[[Special:Contributions/75.80.128.65|75.80.128.65]] 19:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :It works only for YOUR mesmer skills, so it's only ~25 more dmg --[[User:GothicNeko|GothicNeko]] 16:59, July 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ==Viable== |
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+ | Post wastrel's nerf? <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]] [[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 03:09, July 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :Replace wastrel's with overload. Spike becomes more potent at the cost of 2s more downtime than pre-nerf. Continue spiking shit. At least that's what borat and nick plan to do in [cFs]. Also, mesmers are supposed to run sups and one of the mesmers is supposed to have snares but i can't remember the exact bars.--Jake[[Special:Contributions/89.145.83.41|89.145.83.41]] 04:32, July 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::lol @ sups. This does more than enough damage, and now that we're using Overload it has the potential to do even moar. Minors would be as far as I would go, and that's still pretty stupid. The snares and Arcane Larceny/Thievery are variant builds (scroll up).[[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="1px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]][[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 06:00, July 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ==Rename== |
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+ | to GvG Overload Spike seeing as how it uses Overload. I'll add variant mesmers when I get home, and then i'll become lazy again -.-' thx [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="1px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]][[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 06:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :Why don't you just call it Mes Spike..? |
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+ | :: 1) sign comments w/ 4 tildes 2) Because that's not what it's called? [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="1px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]][[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 21:27, July 22, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | == New Team Build == |
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+ | All guild now run 8 Me/X with 1 ME/A 5 Me/Mo and 2 Me/P can someone change builds? (i don't have those)--[[Special:Contributions/81.249.188.245|81.249.188.245]] 02:52, July 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :whoru? B/c no one is doing that.--[[User:TahiriVeila|TahiriVeila]] 05:51, July 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | I just ran 8x mesmer and it only works if your team is experienced (wins/losses were spontaneous). Also, it's kind of dumb considering 8 mesmers is complete overkill. We then ran 7 mesmers and a monk, which worked better but it's also overkill and harder to split. Ultimately 6 mesmers is the best configuration, running Superior Runes if you're manly or Minors if you're coordinated like robots. You can run two /P but it's kind of redundant and the only advantage is maintainable Stand Your Ground. Good Tactics ran basically this exact build and they managed to flawless a couple of matches before switching back to balance. So out of everything i've seen this seems to be the most efficient. [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="1px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]][[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 06:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ==SoD== |
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+ | Obs says we should use this. Guardian and SoD make warriors rage >< [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="1px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]][[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 06:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :SoD is just the thing this needs to be moar lame. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]] [[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 06:47, July 26, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ==update== |
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+ | dead as hell. no way this shouldn't be archived. shame. [[User:MrMetalFLower|<font size=1>'''MrMetal'''</font>]][[User talk:MrMetalFLower|<font size=1><font colour="pink">FLower</font></font>]][[Image:Mmf_ohno_sig.jpg|60px]] 22:50, July 29, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :Wow, that was fken fast.--[[User:Bio.|Bio.]] 23:16, July 29, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :: Holy fast nerf, batman[[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="1px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]][[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 02:38, July 30, 2010 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 19:53, 1 September 2010
gogo write it up Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 03:24, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
- FOIN. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 03:41, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
Great for zquests, champ points, tourny points, double weekends, and any other miscellaneous lolery. Also: any suggestions are welcome; this what I can grab from obs Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 03:41, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
I understand this is just from obs but wouldn't overload be a better choice than wastrel's? Both have the same unconditional damage but overload seems to have a better payoff if conditions are met. 66.66.172.108 19:51, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah it would work, it just adds 4 more seconds in between spikes Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 21:18, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
Testing...
Ok so apparently someone randomly put this into testing... there's still some variants that can be stuck in here. For instance you can drop 2 of the Me/Mo for
- Me/E
- Me/Rt
and of course you have to switch around skills if you take that route. Furthermore, you can drop the Me/E (or a Me/Mo) and run 2 Me/A, again needing skill adjustment. This is just a template though, and you can switch up the mesmers' skills (interrupts, etc.) Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 01:57, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
Tbh
Take away the WoH Mes and put in something more useful, like another LoD for more anti-spike or maybe a Rupter. I believe the healers can cover the healing.--Syncretic 15:19, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
- 1)a 3rd LoD would be less anti-spike, and more anti-pressure. 2) easier said than done; healing a team of 8 squishies is harder to do than you would think Rikk Panda 16:28, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
- sorry, meant pressure. and you're probably right.--Syncretic 16:32, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
Meta?
[ViP] and [cFs] have been wreaking a bit of havok with both variations. eh? 72.148.243.147 23:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I played vs this team and 3/6 Mesmers died to knights. -Extreme Zer0 18:11, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
- That reason holds no merit because it's based on player skill. And yeah, [ViP] alone went from r80's to r30's running only this spike because it works. plain and simple Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 01:10, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Going from rank 80 to rank 30 is an almost impossible feat. --Crow 02:41, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Never said it was hard, I just said it happened with this and variations of this build. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 09:06, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- My point was going from rank 80 to 30 doesn't require a brilliant build. --Crow 14:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- You're absolutely correct. It doesn't. And this isn't a brilliant build. There's nothing brilliant about a 3-2-1 1->2 spike, but then again I guess that's why it's so capable. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 22:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- wat --Crow 00:22, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
- You're absolutely correct. It doesn't. And this isn't a brilliant build. There's nothing brilliant about a 3-2-1 1->2 spike, but then again I guess that's why it's so capable. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 22:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- My point was going from rank 80 to 30 doesn't require a brilliant build. --Crow 14:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Never said it was hard, I just said it happened with this and variations of this build. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 09:06, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Going from rank 80 to rank 30 is an almost impossible feat. --Crow 02:41, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- That reason holds no merit because it's based on player skill. And yeah, [ViP] alone went from r80's to r30's running only this spike because it works. plain and simple Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 01:10, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Mind Wrack?
Why don't one of the spikers spike with mind wrack? the target will already be hexed and as long as it gets put up a little before the other spikers thats an extra ~140 damage or so.75.80.128.65 19:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
- It works only for YOUR mesmer skills, so it's only ~25 more dmg --GothicNeko 16:59, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Viable
Post wastrel's nerf? Life Guardian 03:09, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
- Replace wastrel's with overload. Spike becomes more potent at the cost of 2s more downtime than pre-nerf. Continue spiking shit. At least that's what borat and nick plan to do in [cFs]. Also, mesmers are supposed to run sups and one of the mesmers is supposed to have snares but i can't remember the exact bars.--Jake89.145.83.41 04:32, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
- lol @ sups. This does more than enough damage, and now that we're using Overload it has the potential to do even moar. Minors would be as far as I would go, and that's still pretty stupid. The snares and Arcane Larceny/Thievery are variant builds (scroll up).Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 06:00, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
Rename
to GvG Overload Spike seeing as how it uses Overload. I'll add variant mesmers when I get home, and then i'll become lazy again -.-' thx Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 06:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
- Why don't you just call it Mes Spike..?
- 1) sign comments w/ 4 tildes 2) Because that's not what it's called? Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 21:27, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
New Team Build
All guild now run 8 Me/X with 1 ME/A 5 Me/Mo and 2 Me/P can someone change builds? (i don't have those)--81.249.188.245 02:52, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
- whoru? B/c no one is doing that.--TahiriVeila 05:51, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
I just ran 8x mesmer and it only works if your team is experienced (wins/losses were spontaneous). Also, it's kind of dumb considering 8 mesmers is complete overkill. We then ran 7 mesmers and a monk, which worked better but it's also overkill and harder to split. Ultimately 6 mesmers is the best configuration, running Superior Runes if you're manly or Minors if you're coordinated like robots. You can run two /P but it's kind of redundant and the only advantage is maintainable Stand Your Ground. Good Tactics ran basically this exact build and they managed to flawless a couple of matches before switching back to balance. So out of everything i've seen this seems to be the most efficient. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 06:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
SoD
Obs says we should use this. Guardian and SoD make warriors rage >< Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 06:43, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
update
dead as hell. no way this shouldn't be archived. shame. MrMetalFLower 22:50, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Wow, that was fken fast.--Bio. 23:16, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Holy fast nerf, batmanRikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} 02:38, July 30, 2010 (UTC)