Hi. Is it bad? --DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 08:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

There's alot of questionable skill choices, ie Enchanted Haste is better than ___ Djinn's Haste, Crippling Dagger and Iron Palm are bad on Dervs, and the Rt/Mo and Me/Rt could quite easily be condensed into one bar, freeing up an 8th slot. Expel isn't needed with a monk backline, just take a Convert for hexway. --Tab MooTab Piplup 09:01, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Fixed the derv bars for you, take a Crippling Victory or two over Chilling if you want. You're going to want to put Grasping Earth and Ward Against Foes in there somewhere too, I'd stick them on the Tainter. Then compress the rits into one bar and take a x/P for Make Haste and Conc. --Tab MooTab Piplup 09:04, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Ok, thanks ^^ How about N/E Tainter with WaF and GE and N/P Soul Bind? DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 09:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Soul Bind (or any other hex bar for that matter) won't do anything without an abundance of hexes, it'll just get removed. I'd go with a Magebane or Incendiary R/P, something like this:

Incendiary Arrows Distracting Shot Savage Shot Apply Poison "Make Haste!" Song of Concentration Natural Stride Resurrection Signet

--Tab MooTab Piplup 09:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Also changed the rit around a bit for you, you'll want to lose one of the more energy heavy skills (probably Channeled) for something else, seeing as you can't effectively use that bar on 1 regen, even with OoS. It's not that huge a loss as you won't be spiking with this anyway. --Tab MooTab Piplup 09:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
There are no spirits. The OoS sac is ok? DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 09:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
It's only 100ish every 15 seconds. The monks should be able to handle that. --Tab MooTab Piplup 09:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Having Song and interrupts and MH and interrupts on the ranger is hard to pull off (and sometimes, impossible). —SkaKidSkakidasaur 12:42, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I think a sh ele will give the opposing team more pressure then a IA ranger.Sebv2727 05:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)


Wooooo --DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 10:05, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Switch the monks out for 2 N/Rt's and you have yourself a new sway. >__> (Callistotyler 10:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT))
There is a resemblance... <_< DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 10:17, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Apart from you don't have frontliners immune to linebacking, you don't have traps, you don't have NR/Tranq. Basically you don't have anything that makes sway sway. I agree it's similar other than that though. --Tab MooTab Piplup 10:19, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Can we have Warmonger's? We need more disruption. DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 10:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Ups, knew I'd forgotten a skill. Yeah, drop Channeled for Warmonger's. --Tab MooTab Piplup 10:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)


With a Tainter throwing around disease and a Incendiary Arrows ranger spreading poison, Methinks you should exchange a WS derv for a bunny thumper with Toxicity. Y/N? Jonas 11:08, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I think this doesn't have enough aegisses to be officially called crapway. 11:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

What to call it then? DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 11:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Needs signet of humility. Big time. Replace a WS derv with SoR Signet mesmer. I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3Enter my contest! 11:24, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

just dshot rc, humility is boring --Tab MooTab Piplup 11:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
RC can't clean a whole party anyway, and you'll be sitting a WW on it DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 11:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
So? You have channeling, you can spam it and people at even 20% health are fully back up. Rc vs 4 conditions is lulz. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:26, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Sig of humility

wtb sig of humil on a sig mes instead of a rit

Why drop Convert, Splinter, Warmongers and Warding for something the ranger can do? Display HQmudkip 11:49, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
me likes this build. 12:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
i agree. Sig Mes fails so hard since they nerfed SoJ, rit has all the things that Display said, and rits are also just cooler than mesmers. Driggy 12:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
SIGNET OF REMOVAL FOO I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3Enter my contest! 12:47, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Sig mes of some form would work, I was under the impression theres some kind of HA taboo about running builds without WoW though. --Tab MooTab Piplup 13:07, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

He's fucking right. Signet of humility makes your pressure actually happening, without it you won't be able to touch them at all unless you hit every dshot at rc. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:24, 12 September 2008 (EDT)


If my eyes aren't deceiving me, the rit has no spirit to meet OoS's condition-WaffleZ LOL-. 13:42, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

FUCK I LOSE 100 HEALTH EVERY 15 SECONDS WHAT SHALL I DO --Tab MooTab Piplup 13:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
/wrists --Mafaraxas (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
^ Or rather no need for it: OoS does the job! :O Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:09, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
No, thats OoB P= DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 07:11, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Well OoS still sacs health so its like /wrists only kooler than OoB kuz well idk, but it is kooler 16px Wikiguru 21:52, 12 September 2008 (EDT)


conjure and strength of honor.

Why? Display HQmudkip 15:08, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Because he thinks that Izzy is efficient and nerfed that combo already, which he hasn't.--GatessMoebius Strike IconThe Gates Assassin 17:15, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
I believe Strength of Honor states they do more damage in MELEE... not physical damage. So it does work.Stryk the Lightning 17:30, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Maybe he's thinking of OoP and conjure--Relyk IkeR e l y k 20:36, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

SoR smite Mesmer

use instead of oos smiter--Relyk IkeR e l y k 20:37, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

naw replace one ws derv for it, this discussion has been made already but who gives a fuck. I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3Enter my contest! 23:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Not me as i'm going to be laughing at the people who are running this all weekend as my guild's team train rolls them.-- 01:56, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Great! Does it feel good? Display HQmudkip 03:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Ahhh, i get it now, SoR mes will be much better DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 05:50, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Your dropping Pact and Warding for SoR and Mirror? Hexes isn't problem in HA, and you don't need Mirror. Display HQmudkip 05:53, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Generic SoR bar is generic. Mirror is nice for Taint and stuff. Can't say what the metas like now, but last time I checked HA, hexes were ramptant. --Tab MooTab Piplup 05:55, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Hexway is not meta anymore. It's more like 2-3 Frontliners or Balanced with 3 eles. And no, you don't need to Mirror taint really, rather have Warding/Pact. Display HQmudkip 05:59, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Can't have everything. It's either no WoW/DPS or no Humil Sig for RC. People QQ either way. --Tab MooTab Piplup 06:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Just drop the SoR mesmer and let the Ranger Dshot RC, happy? Display HQmudkip 06:03, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
See the ratings page. People clearly weren't happy. Anyway, argue this with the author, I just helped him clean it up a bit. --Tab MooTab Piplup 06:04, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Obaby, look at that. Most retarded Ratings I've seen in some time. Display HQmudkip 06:06, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
That's PvX for you. Only suggestion I can think of to fit both in without totally changing the build is to make the Taint Me/N with Humil and move the snares somewhere else. --Tab MooTab Piplup 06:10, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
No =/. Geez, idk. Just switch back to the Rt and explain you gotta Dshot RC. Ohwell, they will prob start bitching about how hard it is.. Display HQmudkip 06:13, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
Yep. --Tab MooTab Piplup 06:24, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

4.5! 4.5! DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 06:44, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

The name

may want to switch it for something else since it will at least come into the category good; and a build can't be crap and good at the same time. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 08:07, 23 August 2008 (EDT)


Hacker twats got it reverted. No more great-build :( DGC 06:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Atleast we know theres going to be allot of shit builds being ran. -- 07:24, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Buildmaster's Vote

This build deserves far more than a 2. The bars are far from random and this build does have humility signet. ( Using the ritualist instead of the mesmer is a bad idea. ) The dervishes provide great pressure. The ranger provides both conditions, and regular /p buffs. The tainter provides both condition pressure and snare. The SOR mesmer is just the icing on the top, providing defense, signet of humility to disable RC, and buffing the fontline even more. The tainter itself is pretty much standard, with the exception that this build misses toxicty to boost the pressure. In my opinion, and many others ( It was rated great before ), this build doesn't deserve just a mere 2. Reconsider the vote please.SniperFoxUser SniperFox IconSmall 12:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

So your saying Splinter, Warmonger, Warding, Convert and Pact is < Mirror and uhm.. Bane Signet, Signet of Rage. Hexes is not that big of a problem, Veil, Spotless and Convert are enough. Just don't be so fucking bad. Dshot>RC, not like you will get Sig of Hum up anyway. Display Godliest Table talk 15:35, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't have Sig of Humility? Because... I see Sig of Humility. And I see a ton of discussion about this build having Sig of Humility. *rages* DGC 05:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Problem is you have an optional team slots, and one of them doesn't have Hum Sig... --FrostySnowmanF 05:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
But one of them does. That doesn't make it Other-worthy. DGC 05:21, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Even if it doesnt have SoH, you can still just dshot rc ~.~ --Brandnew. 05:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Edit conflict grr.. The other one got way more damage and Dshots. Display Godliest Table talk 05:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Omg! Someone who can dshot RC!. Display Godliest Table talk 05:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
Dshotting RC isn't like, omg dshot rc. They will probally have warding + guardian on him if you constantly try to dshot him, so bla bla. The real pressure from wounding strike dervishes is in signet of humility on RC. In GvG, it's less vital(still very vital, but you can still roll them if monk does have RC), but in HA, you can channeltank and spam RC(4 conditions = whole redbar up). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:38, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Also; is it just me or is this ranger in here pretty random. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:39, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Nope, it's not. --FrostySnowmanF 05:40, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
It's for spreading poison quick, but doesn't taint+ws is enough degen and rc food? Brandnew. 05:41, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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