Archive talk:Team - HA Crapway

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Hi. Is it bad? --DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 08:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

There's alot of questionable skill choices, ie Enchanted Haste is better than ___ Djinn's Haste, Crippling Dagger and Iron Palm are bad on Dervs, and the Rt/Mo and Me/Rt could quite easily be condensed into one bar, freeing up an 8th slot. Expel isn't needed with a monk backline, just take a Convert for hexway. --Tab Moo 09:01, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Fixed the derv bars for you, take a Crippling Victory or two over Chilling if you want. You're going to want to put Grasping Earth and Ward Against Foes in there somewhere too, I'd stick them on the Tainter. Then compress the rits into one bar and take a x/P for Make Haste and Conc. --Tab Moo 09:04, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok, thanks ^^ How about N/E Tainter with WaF and GE and N/P Soul Bind? DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 09:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Soul Bind (or any other hex bar for that matter) won't do anything without an abundance of hexes, it'll just get removed. I'd go with a Magebane or Incendiary R/P, something like this:

--Tab Moo 09:31, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Also changed the rit around a bit for you, you'll want to lose one of the more energy heavy skills (probably Channeled) for something else, seeing as you can't effectively use that bar on 1 regen, even with OoS. It's not that huge a loss as you won't be spiking with this anyway. --Tab Moo 09:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

There are no spirits. The OoS sac is ok? DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 09:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

It's only 100ish every 15 seconds. The monks should be able to handle that. --Tab Moo 09:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Having Song and interrupts and MH and interrupts on the ranger is hard to pull off (and sometimes, impossible). —SkaKid 12:42, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Trial

Wooooo --DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 10:05, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Switch the monks out for 2 N/Rt's and you have yourself a new sway. >__> (Callistotyler 10:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT))

There is a resemblance... <_< DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 10:17, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Apart from you don't have frontliners immune to linebacking, you don't have traps, you don't have NR/Tranq. Basically you don't have anything that makes sway sway. I agree it's similar other than that though. --Tab Moo 10:19, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Can we have Warmonger's? We need more disruption. DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 10:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Ups, knew I'd forgotten a skill. Yeah, drop Channeled for Warmonger's. --Tab Moo 10:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Toxicity

With a Tainter throwing around disease and a Incendiary Arrows ranger spreading poison, Methinks you should exchange a WS derv for a bunny thumper with Toxicity. Y/N? Jonas 11:08, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I think this doesn't have enough aegisses to be officially called crapway. 217.120.229.159 11:23, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

What to call it then? DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 11:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Needs signet of humility. Big time. Replace a WS derv with SoR Signet mesmer. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 11:24, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

just dshot rc, humility is boring --Tab Moo 11:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

RC can't clean a whole party anyway, and you'll be sitting a WW on it DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 11:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Sig of humility

wtb sig of humil on a sig mes instead of a rit

Why drop Convert, Splinter, Warmongers and Warding for something the ranger can do? Display 11:49, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

me likes this build. 69.133.93.214 12:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

i agree. Sig Mes fails so hard since they nerfed SoJ, rit has all the things that Display said, and rits are also just cooler than mesmers. Driggy 12:38, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

SIGNET OF REMOVAL FOO I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 12:47, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Sig mes of some form would work, I was under the impression theres some kind of HA taboo about running builds without WoW though. --Tab Moo 13:07, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

OoS

If my eyes aren't deceiving me, the rit has no spirit to meet OoS's condition-WaffleZ LOL-. 13:42, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

FUCK I LOSE 100 HEALTH EVERY 15 SECONDS WHAT SHALL I DO --Tab Moo 13:44, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

/wrists --Mafaraxas (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

^ Or rather no need for it: OoS does the job! :O Godbox 14:09, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

No, thats OoB P= DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 07:11, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

fail

conjure and strength of honor.

Why? Display 15:08, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Because he thinks that Izzy is efficient and nerfed that combo already, which he hasn't.--The Gates Assassin 17:15, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

I believe Strength of Honor states they do more damage in MELEE... not physical damage. So it does work.Stryk the Lightning 17:30, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Maybe he's thinking of OoP and conjure--R e l y k 20:36, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

SoR smite Mesmer

use instead of oos smiter--R e l y k 20:37, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

naw replace one ws derv for it, this discussion has been made already but who gives a fuck. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 23:12, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Not me as i'm going to be laughing at the people who are running this all weekend as my guild's team train rolls them.--72.189.85.47 01:56, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Great! Does it feel good? Display 03:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Ahhh, i get it now, SoR mes will be much better DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 05:50, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Your dropping Pact and Warding for SoR and Mirror? Hexes isn't problem in HA, and you don't need Mirror. Display 05:53, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Generic SoR bar is generic. Mirror is nice for Taint and stuff. Can't say what the metas like now, but last time I checked HA, hexes were ramptant. --Tab Moo 05:55, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Hexway is not meta anymore. It's more like 2-3 Frontliners or Balanced with 3 eles. And no, you don't need to Mirror taint really, rather have Warding/Pact. Display 05:59, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Can't have everything. It's either no WoW/DPS or no Humil Sig for RC. People QQ either way. --Tab Moo 06:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Just drop the SoR mesmer and let the Ranger Dshot RC, happy? Display 06:03, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

See the ratings page. People clearly weren't happy. Anyway, argue this with the author, I just helped him clean it up a bit. --Tab Moo 06:04, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Obaby, look at that. Most retarded Ratings I've seen in some time. Display 06:06, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

That's PvX for you. Only suggestion I can think of to fit both in without totally changing the build is to make the Taint Me/N with Humil and move the snares somewhere else. --Tab Moo 06:10, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

No =/. Geez, idk. Just switch back to the Rt and explain you gotta Dshot RC. Ohwell, they will prob start bitching about how hard it is.. Display 06:13, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Yep. --Tab Moo 06:24, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

4.5! 4.5! DGCollard File:DGCollard-Charmander-15.png 06:44, 23 August 2008 (EDT)