Theorycraft? Cope Land 10:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Update [[1]] imo. That build owwwwwned btw. ;o 82.75.192.76 10:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Nah I've seen this before, not sure if it's really run much tho, it may just have been trashed. You can also take Sight Beyone Sight btw. Then you have a spike which goes through most prots and blind (take Called Shot for one which goes through blocking too). 81.107.77.52 10:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Might seem dumb asking, but do you really need the 9 marks? and im only saying this as won't your arrows be doing basically 0 damage and you won't need damage outside of spikes. And you can have higher rest? but i dno Exo Oo 18:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I realised I was running marks for no reason and changed it, about 5 mins before you posted.
FrostytheAdmin 18:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC) - Ups, i didn't even save page! FrostytheAdmin 18:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure
that the only reason you would run this over meta r-spike would be if you could fit more resto shit on the spikers. could ya?--|
Hipowi pew pew pew 19:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- or because this is unprottable and has a 207 point heal for 4 people every spike. ··· Danny Does Drugs 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- oh yeah, or that. --| Hipowi pew pew pew 19:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- oh yeah, or that. --|
Why not use forked arrow instead of dual shot?
- Because they hex you or the prot prots you and then your spike disappears. Life 15:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- And because you are doing no or negligible bow damage anyway. So Dual Shot's drawback ins't really a drawback any more, it's just slightly more expensive. 81.107.77.52 17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
You don't run forked because there's no point in having the 5s recharge from forked since you're limited by nightmare weapon anyway--Goldenstar 12:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Goldenstar enjoys repeating things already said one line above him. ups. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ups i read the first line of the section and didn't bother with the rest--Goldenstar 12:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
shitter spike
completely defeats the point of rspike [high armored targets spiking every 5 seconds]. its not even good either, cant do any damage without all 4 rangers alive/together/not blinded. hammer gets on your rangers and now your spike cant kill. or ootv is interrupted. not nearly enough damage. very squishy with all monks/necros/rits, weapons wont matter when your rits are busy spiking not protting with weapons. can't use dshot outside of spike, which means your completely reliant on pnh + 2 monks to hold you up, and if you've ever played HA you know that it isn't enough. regular rspike has blocks/vitals/DA, something along those lines. every vote is completely overrating this. 67.159.45.96 13:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- terrible anon is fucking terrible. spike every 10 seconds is plenty of time to put weapons out. also has 200+ point heal for each Rt every spike. if your monks + 4 rts can't keep you up, everyone you're playing with is pretty god-damned terrible, which is probably true by the sound of it. interrupts counter everything, so no u and stfu. blind beats everything, and you ever hear of Aura of Stability? i mean, christ - i know a lot of the anons who lurk this site are bad, but how fucking terrible can you be? Saying this lacks survivability is like saying Bloodspike lacks survivability. ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- While I agree the build is bad, I do think you're pretty terrible for saying 2 monks + pnh isn't enough. It really is if your monks don't suck, the rest is just that extra few seconds in koth, lol. Reunion
- you sound like a fucking retard danny. HA isnt about surviving underworld, were talking about 1v1v1 on koth or altar caps, or courtyard, or split maps where all 4 rangers might not be together (antichamber, forg. shrines). you thinking that 2 monks and a pnh can hold the team up with 1 spike every 10 seconds and 8 squishies makes me laugh. stop thinking of HA as fetid and underworld, stop insulting me when you dont know jack shit about the game, and get off your tits about me being an anon. 67.159.45.96 17:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- iirc, in 1v1v1, it's about who doesn't get ganked. on split maps, look at how much fucking defense is on each build, then try that again. ··· Danny Does Drugs 17:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- lol, you think the reason that good teams win more then bad ones in halls is because they dont get ganked? i don't follow that logic in the slightest. and on split maps you have no aoe to wipe shrines and the slowest recharging spike in the history of ranger spikes, which means youll be standing on an altar with your monks taking an ass raping while youre fucking helpless, and your necro is down bottom with an r/e locked on him so he can't use orders and you cant kill. thats just forgotten shrines, i cant imagine the horror on capture points when two eles are bombing your monks, who have these awesome weapon spells to save them from all the Heats going up. 67.159.45.96 18:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- People on this wiki are amazing :\ Reunion 18:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Srsly, I mean, I just learned that an unprot-able 792 dmg spike was bad. I feel like my whole childhood was a lie.--Kammorremae 18:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- It actually is though. I used to know a guy who ran it with 3 rts for a few weeks for fun, until he also realised it was terrible and moved on. Reunion 18:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- its very bad. and you can't just say "800 dmg unprottable" because thats best case scenario. don't assume orders is up or rangers aren't blinded. its HA, things won't always be best case scenario. 67.159.45.96 18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- based on that, no spike would ever work. ups? ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- nope, just shitty ones with barely enough damage to kill relying on every single character. also, hf vs iway when your stanceless rangers have warriors spamming interrupts on them. truly, if this stays in Good it will be further proof of pvx's mental inadequacy. 67.159.45.96 18:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- actually,
it'sit was in great. ;o ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC) - Hey, 67. why do you add shitter to every heading you make? 18:20, 11 June 2009
- Because he knows PvX is full of shitters? Misery Says Moo 18:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- I thought that was a given.... 18:24, 11 June 2009
- For real, 67, with your argument, you should be trashing every build with a physical or an enchantment present. It's a shitter's argument to say "this team build has to compete, so it fails". I agree with you point about how fragile the team is, but you're a fucking retard otherwise.--Kammorremae 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- its good to see you didn't understand the argument whatsoever. 10 perfectly good reasons why this is garbage and you only see ONE and then call me an idiot for it. its not that the reliance on the enchantment is bad, its that when combined with ALL the other problems it makes the build bad. go fuck yourself mate =) 67.159.45.96 18:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- No, I saw and understood them, and I even adressed them. Your entire argument is "This build faces other players, who will touch it's naughty bits, so it's bad". Your ten reasons are just facets of that argument. Everything you say boils down to that. So, I say it's a shitter's argument. And yes, you're an idiot.--Kammorremae 18:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Kamm's usually pretty nice, so you must be doing something wrong, anon mcshitter. ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- cute story. let me know when you run this and tell me if you can even get past underworld, let alone standing up with it in halls. 67.159.45.96 18:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- No, I saw and understood them, and I even adressed them. Your entire argument is "This build faces other players, who will touch it's naughty bits, so it's bad". Your ten reasons are just facets of that argument. Everything you say boils down to that. So, I say it's a shitter's argument. And yes, you're an idiot.--Kammorremae 18:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- its good to see you didn't understand the argument whatsoever. 10 perfectly good reasons why this is garbage and you only see ONE and then call me an idiot for it. its not that the reliance on the enchantment is bad, its that when combined with ALL the other problems it makes the build bad. go fuck yourself mate =) 67.159.45.96 18:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- For real, 67, with your argument, you should be trashing every build with a physical or an enchantment present. It's a shitter's argument to say "this team build has to compete, so it fails". I agree with you point about how fragile the team is, but you're a fucking retard otherwise.--Kammorremae 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- I thought that was a given....
- Because he knows PvX is full of shitters?
- actually,
- nope, just shitty ones with barely enough damage to kill relying on every single character. also, hf vs iway when your stanceless rangers have warriors spamming interrupts on them. truly, if this stays in Good it will be further proof of pvx's mental inadequacy. 67.159.45.96 18:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- based on that, no spike would ever work. ups? ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- its very bad. and you can't just say "800 dmg unprottable" because thats best case scenario. don't assume orders is up or rangers aren't blinded. its HA, things won't always be best case scenario. 67.159.45.96 18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- It actually is though. I used to know a guy who ran it with 3 rts for a few weeks for fun, until he also realised it was terrible and moved on. Reunion 18:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Srsly, I mean, I just learned that an unprot-able 792 dmg spike was bad. I feel like my whole childhood was a lie.--Kammorremae 18:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- iirc, in 1v1v1, it's about who doesn't get ganked. on split maps, look at how much fucking defense is on each build, then try that again. ··· Danny Does Drugs 17:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- you sound like a fucking retard danny. HA isnt about surviving underworld, were talking about 1v1v1 on koth or altar caps, or courtyard, or split maps where all 4 rangers might not be together (antichamber, forg. shrines). you thinking that 2 monks and a pnh can hold the team up with 1 spike every 10 seconds and 8 squishies makes me laugh. stop thinking of HA as fetid and underworld, stop insulting me when you dont know jack shit about the game, and get off your tits about me being an anon. 67.159.45.96 17:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, I could care less if the build works (notice that I haven't voted on it). I don't often do HA. I doubt I'd make it far with the most potent HA build in town, because I wouldn't know how to play it's strengths. That being said, a shitter's argument is still a shitter's argument, and I felt like adding my two cents. For all the input you give on this site, you have still failed to reg, so even if you were 100% right (which you're not), you'd still be a shitter for acting like we should give a shit about what you have to say.
And I'm only nice cause I'm socially awkward and crave acceptance.--Kammorremae 18:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- so you admit your an HA shitter, and yet you proceed to tell me im an idiot when you have NO idea what the hell you are talking about. glad you discredited yourself, saved me the effort. 67.159.45.96 18:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- doesn't make your argument any less bad, tbh. ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Skill=Knowledge? Just cause I'm not good at it doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. If that was a quality that was needed to give an informed opinion about something, all Olympic judges would be former Olympiads, and most sports anouncers would be fired. But it's not hard to possess knowledge without possessing the skill attached to it. I know plenty about chess, and different strategies or gambits usd to play it, but I'm a hopelessly outmatched in almost every competition.
- So, know that you've also displayed a complete failing to understand basic mechanics necessary in real life, like the seperation of information and application, would you mind fucking off?--Kammorremae 18:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- ^ ··· Danny Does Drugs 19:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- half of that didn't even make sense. and you still haven't made any points as to why this is even good or why my arguments are as bad as you claim. insult after insult but that doesn't change the fact that this is shitty. go ahead and run it yourself but dont put it in the Good/Great category when it completely lacks the primary components that make rspike strong in the first place. 67.159.45.96 19:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- I never said it was good, and I never voted it into that catergory, so stop taking what others say and applying it to me. Rather, take what I say in the context that I say it. And I have, twice, explained why your argument, for the most part, sucks. If you didn't get it the first two times, you won't get it the third. Either read back on what I've typed, or carry on.
- Also, don't insult people and bitch that you in turn were insulted at some point. Doesn't matter who started it. In that regard, you're just as much as a shitter as me.--Kammorremae 19:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- you make no sense honestly kamm. you said that my argument was shitty because it could be applied to any build. i said it wasn't because it was just the straw the broke the camels back, and so it cannot be applied to everything. this has turned into shitter drama, you aren't even talking about the build anymore you are just consistently calling me a shitter. its a build discussion page, and i know you like throwing in your worthless two cents but its exactly that, worthless. talk about the build not about me. 67.159.45.96 19:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- well, you are a shitter, tbh. the build isn't all that great, but that doesn't matter if you can't state that without emplying fallacious argument after fallacious argument in such a way that you appear to be arguing against any tactics or builds in general. ··· Danny Does Drugs 19:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I only called you a shitter once.--Kammorremae 20:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- well, you are a shitter, tbh. the build isn't all that great, but that doesn't matter if you can't state that without emplying fallacious argument after fallacious argument in such a way that you appear to be arguing against any tactics or builds in general. ··· Danny Does Drugs 19:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- you make no sense honestly kamm. you said that my argument was shitty because it could be applied to any build. i said it wasn't because it was just the straw the broke the camels back, and so it cannot be applied to everything. this has turned into shitter drama, you aren't even talking about the build anymore you are just consistently calling me a shitter. its a build discussion page, and i know you like throwing in your worthless two cents but its exactly that, worthless. talk about the build not about me. 67.159.45.96 19:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- half of that didn't even make sense. and you still haven't made any points as to why this is even good or why my arguments are as bad as you claim. insult after insult but that doesn't change the fact that this is shitty. go ahead and run it yourself but dont put it in the Good/Great category when it completely lacks the primary components that make rspike strong in the first place. 67.159.45.96 19:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- ^ ··· Danny Does Drugs 19:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- doesn't make your argument any less bad, tbh. ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
wow, so much /care and /drama... care and drama less please? 
FrostytheAdmin 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- I do have a habit of annihilating talk pages.--Kammorremae 20:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Dear saint, i thought you raged pvx? If you wanna be a bitch about builds, at least be ballsy enough to make a new account--Goldenstar 20:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Re-write
Re-wrote the build and moved it into testing. Needs vote wipe. Slightly less damage than regular rspike and 10s recharge instead of 5, but this has way more snare + defense with the advanatage that the spike is completely unprottable--TahiriVeila 13:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)