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Restore ConditionNature 13:30, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

DwG>GwK imo. Rupert=Hawt Rupert bear sig17:21{GMT}7-06-MMVIII

WTB old talk page tbh. Display Horrified lolcat 13:24, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Fixed sum bad stuff. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:25, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

I think there would probably be a lot of overlap between the two Patient Spirits... Rupert=Hawt Rupert bear sig17:26{GMT}7-06-MMVIII
Two monks isn't even hawt. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube

Mesmer-icon-small/Necromancer-icon-small

Tainted Flesh Rotting Flesh Power Drain Signet of Humility Mantra of Inscriptions Rigor Mortis Rend Enchantments Well of the Profane
3 EC gg.. qq.Brave enough for you Gooooodliiiesst? Prob have to make the snare go /Rt with Flesh tho. Display Horrified lolcat 13:29, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Nah 3 monks isn't brave at all; take another midliner. And also if you take 3 monks you should take 2 WoH. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:29, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Ups. Me/N Fast Cast Taint Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:30, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
EC.. Switch a monk for the Mes ofc. That bar fails, no idea how it got that rating. Display Horrified lolcat 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Traditional 2 Monk Backline + Taint? or...? Restore ConditionNature 16:43, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, don't have to be the FC Taint tho, just a midline. Display Horrified lolcat 17:43, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Add SH Ele to build. Got a 20 sec Zaishen time with it and did well in fight, I'm going to try the Taint and a Domination Magebane to see which works best. Any thoughts? ^^ Restore ConditionNature 21:15, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
No, you're wrong. — Skakid 21:20, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
About? Restore ConditionNature 21:21, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
And I'm just testing some things, I'd probably rather a mesmer with Signet of Humility to shut down their RC while the dervs just whomp on everything. Restore ConditionNature 21:28, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Added fast cast taint. Really good at pissing off their RC/Glimmer ^^. But I'm thinking of a Signet mesmer with SoH and Signet of Judgement and some other Smiting sigs. Maybe with SoH? Thoughts? ^^ Restore ConditionNature 01:52, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Needs more SoH. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 07:31, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

No. Display Horrified lolcat 07:34, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Well, you can always switch the Tainter for a Signet mes with SnH, but imo a Tainter is more pressure. Display Horrified lolcat 07:36, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Make the Rt/P /Mo and give it OoS and SoH. Make the Ele a Mes, so you can actually win. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 07:42, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
So keep the tainter, replace ele with a mes? a PD mes? But then there would be no snares, other than Ward against Foes. Restore ConditionNature 10:27, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
And no unremovable speed boost(Make haste) Restore ConditionNature 10:28, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
All three dervs have an irremovable speed boost, fyi. The mes should be Pblock and the tainter should take WaF and Grasping. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 10:49, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Your ele can take ward against foes and one of your dervs can have conkure lightning instead of ward, I think it should be better. --Tiger 11:05, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
WaF? Restore ConditionNature 14:53, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
oh, Ward lol sorry, out of my mind atm(little bit of a headache) Restore ConditionNature 14:53, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
How can the Tainer take WaF and Grasping? 3 different professions involved their and 2 elites. Or did I misunderstand(Re-read multiple times :X) Restore ConditionNature 15:01, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

You want to have the dervishes to spike with when running. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:58, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

The dervs don't got a unremovable speedboost, Rend gg. Imo this build is pretty complete. Can switch the Snare ele for Mes/Fire ele tho, but since there are 3 melee, it should be better to have a water ele snaring 24/7. Display Horrified lolcat 15:03, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Yea, I don't think just the ward is enough for HoH, doesn't affect the whole stairs left to right, and if it's interupted... :(. Remove a rank or 2 from the ele's Energy storage and put into Earth Magic and replace Deep Freeze with WaF maybe. Seeing as WaF is cheaper to use than Deep Freeze and a Conjure on the Derv that had WaF. Restore ConditionNature 15:16, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Kuurong would be better than Glaive wouldn't it? The KD can be awfully useful ^^ Restore ConditionNature 15:20, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Going to add Usage/Equip then in like 2-4 days move to testing unless any objections. And I'm thinking of Flesh on the Mes somewhere if possible, need a hard res for the non-monk characters, or should the Ele bring it. Not seeing a hard res bugs the hell out of me :( Restore ConditionNature 21:34, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Nooo.. wtf.. No more input now, this is bs. Display Horrified lolcat 12:44, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
Fine lol, going to add usage and crap then put into testing. Restore ConditionNature 14:29, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Testing.

  • Prays* Restore ConditionNature 15:32, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

DwG is more annoying then "damaging" :/. --Readem 15:46, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

What would be better? Rupert=Hawt Rupert bear sig19:47{GMT}9-06-MMVIII

This reached it's peak in the meta about 2 weeks ago, so it's appearing on wiki right on schedule. The best version of this I've seen is 3 conjure dervs, 1 Rt/E with weapons and WaF and Grasping, 1 sig mes with SoH, a normal tainter, and the standard two monk backline. Edwards 21:00, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Does "it's peak in the meta" mean it's being run by 2 or 3 terrible teams? Radiant 18:40, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
This hardly resembles the meta version one; it focuses on 3 WS dervishes, 2 SoJ smiters, sumthing else and 2 monks. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:16, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Like.--207.203.89.1 17:37, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Ya'll should start Rating >_> the discussion is over O_o Nature Sig PicNature 18:13, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
Build:Team - Failway ;)--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 18:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
Except HA=no magebane and runner=3rd derv--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 18:59, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I Played an alter verions of this build. We had 3 Dervishes, 2 Eles(SH) and 1 glimmer spammer, one HB and on RC. Worked verry well and the pressure was amazing i think we killed the Zishen guys in like 23 sec or so. We came along a Coordinated Ranger spike in relic map ang got our wipped. But still a great build which fullfills it's purpose.

If you lose to an r-spike with three monks you're pretty awful--GoldenGoldenstarStar 18:44, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Wounding Strike

I know it's Dervishes, and you can apply it to a ton of enemies at a time, but what if the Mesmer had Fevered Dreams or Epidemic, or something like that?--Phail Lord Belar Epic Fail Tock A guide to this user. 19:54, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Then the build would be bad. FD is bad, with the exception of a few very niche builds.--Goldenstar 20:36, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Name

No. — Skakid 20:04, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes :O It draws attention ^^ Can always call it BWay ^^ Nature Sig PicNature 23:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
No more [insertgaynamehere]ways. 62.236.240.30 23:53, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
Then why are you here? O_o Nature Sig PicNature 00:03, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
[insertgaynamehere]way should be used when you got a lot of something, for example dervishes. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 04:30, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
As a response to the smart ass, I'm here cause I'm not gay. 62.236.240.30 07:09, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
NPA. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 07:12, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
No you. Display Horrified lolcat 07:13, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
Less QQ, moar namebash. Name is bad, it has to be changed. Fusion 10:31, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
Sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 09:01, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
*Cough* Strong like Bearway *Cough* Ugh, sorry, I have a really bad throat today. Nature Sig PicNature 09:04, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
Forgot to sign last time. Bearway should be changed also. Bad name is bad. Fusion 10:31, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
The name shall be, I AM GAY I think it fits it perfectly becauses its true, and it's really manly and beastly overall. Zeecron 19:58, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
Name is EVEN worse now. Fusion 12:07, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
You know a name is too long when it starts warping pages. Dragnmn talk cont 13:50, 13 June 2008 (EDT)::::::::::::
Doesn't warp anything for me, get a better computer with higher resolution imo. If you want, chop off the word "frontline", then stop having crappy arguments about the name. - Misery Is Hawt19px 13:57, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Gogo 1024x768 resolution (I'm searching for something better, problem is that I need a new graphics card as well) Dragnmn talk cont 14:11, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I love the Drama over the name ^^ How many name changes has thsi been through within the paste few hours lol?:X -- Nature Sig PicNature 14:39, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Not too hard to believe when absolutely no one is taking it seriously. --Sazzy 15:21, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Friday the 13thway--todai it eez.--Rella 15:21, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
DIdn't realise...time to go put my house in Defense:High. I has very bad bad luck :X -- Nature Sig PicNature 15:42, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Splinter and a-rage

Got buttfucked yesterday. Methinks rits are kinda useless now.--Goldenstar 12:25, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Take a fire ele? Dragnmn talk cont 13:33, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
SH with warding and pact soundsa good--Goldenstar 14:02, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
People no like Rits no more? O_o? Explain... I'm sort of lost at the moment. I wouldn't mind a SH ele, I loves AoE(Dervs ftw). But I also don't see the problem with the Rit or am I missing something? =\ Again, elaborate :X -- Nature Sig PicNature 14:34, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
They god nerfed, check latest update notes. - Misery Is Hawt19px 14:41, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Meh, didn't think it was enough to make them obsolete. A SH ele won't be able to bring WoW though for the hero...well it could ...but then where does "Make Haste!" go =\ -- Nature Sig PicNature 14:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Signet of Mystic Speed. Maintain Taint and Attacker's Insight. Although unstrippable speed boost is always nice. Dragnmn talk cont 15:58, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Unstrippable? You'll get rended, then bodyblocked and lose =\ The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:59, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I meant Make Haste with unstrippable, and Mystic Speed with strippable. I thought of the enchantment problem already. Still, where to fit it? Dragnmn talk cont 16:02, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Oh crap, It seems like I didn't fully understand you guys when you meant nerfed :X I thought you guys meant the nerf that happened like a month ago :X Lol I'm slow, but holy banana's :X They got killed O.o -- Nature Sig PicNature 11:23, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
WoW still needs(well imo it should) come from somewhere, and Make Haste I see as a must. -- Nature Sig PicNature 11:25, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
OoS Support Rit? Let me see if I can come up with some kind of bar...
Offering of Spirit Weapon of Warding Splinter Weapon Warmonger's Weapon Bloodsong "Fall Back!" "Make Haste!" Death Pact Signet
Something like that? Dragnmn talk cont 11:43, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Well, Splinter Weapon=Dead. And don't think it'd even need OoS to manage the energy that requires. -- Nature Sig PicNature 08:31, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, you're right. Any other ideas for elites? Cause otherwise we can keep Glaive or go Kuurong. Dragnmn talk cont 09:31, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
Yeah go on, take Fall Back that's the shit. You need Song and Pact so you can't really switch out the rt without changing the other midliners too. Display Horrified lolcat 10:55, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
I knew I forgot something in that bar. So: do we keep the rit as it is, or make it more of a secondary healer? (Preservation or something, I don't know). Dragnmn talk cont 11:49, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Just an idea to pop out there: Communing. Put some weapons from their inplae of A-Rage and Splinter? Maybe that one that makes you unblockable, and sundering. -- Nature Sig PicNature 12:53, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

And Vital. Dragnmn talk cont 15:17, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
Ah, yes. How could I forget >_< -- Nature Sig PicNature 15:22, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig> [build prof=Rt/P com=11+1 res=10+1 cha=8+1+2 comma=6][Offering of Spirit][Guided Weapon][Sundering Weapon][Vital Weapon][Weapon of Warding]["Fall Back!"]["Make Haste!"][Death Pact Signet][/build] </pvxbig> ^Just a thought, or something similar, so many different attributes though :(. I'd hate to have to change the Midline a bit just 'cause of the rit >_< :(. And Warmonger's makes me happy :(. Gah. -- Nature Sig PicNature 16:21, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

One thing: (which I first forgot as well)

<pvxbig> [build prof=Rt/P com=11+1 res=10+1 cha=8+1+2 comma=6][Offering of Spirit][Guided Weapon][Sundering Weapon][Vital Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Song of Concentration]["Make Haste!"][Death Pact Signet][/build] </pvxbig>

Dragnmn talk cont 16:26, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
Could remove A-Rage and Splinter, make them optionals, with Protective was Kaolai , Pure was Li Ming, and Weapon of Shadow(For the monks) as suggested optionals. I really would hate not to bring Warmongers and Glaive :( I love those skills ^^. But I also Love Vital Weapon ^^. Seems ot me it's either Remove all channel skills and spec in Communing. Re-arrange the midline skills a bit(which I'd rather not do), or just do what I said with the Optionals. Seems less stressful to me -- Nature Sig PicNature 16:35, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
Do NOT bring DwG withour Arage. It actually didn't get nerfed that badly, it's just slower, same damage, just not as good at spike support. - Misery Is Hawt19px 17:20, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
it does 50% less Damage in PvP =\ That seems like a pretty bad nerf to me :X
Nvm misunderstood :X
^ FOrgot to sign -.- -- Nature Sig PicNature 18:04, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
It's actually even better for a build like this, as it's not triggered by spirit bond now. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 03:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
Doesn't really matter because the Dervs hit for +60 anyway. Display Horrified lolcat 05:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

WTB

Better name. ~ ĐONT*TALK 12:39, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Better glasses. ~ ĐONT*TALK 12:40, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
What did you think it said? ¬ Klumpeet 16:40{GMT}13-06-MMVIII
Team - HA Triple Wounding Strike Frontline is epicly long, how about Team - Triple Dervway /FrosTalk\ 13:38, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I don't care, as long as it doesn't end on "way". That means it's auto-gimmick. You can at least hide that fact with a name. Dragnmn talk cont 13:43, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Idea for a gimmick build: "Wayway" a conglommerate of gimmicks thrown together for epic wins. (Kiron 13:52, 13 June 2008 (EDT))
What, 3 Deadly Arts spiker frontline? Or, better yet: Oldway, a conglomerate of out-dated gimmicks. Dual LoD backline (almost plausible: Take Arcane Echo and Arcane Mimicry on both, and spam 3 copies of LoD!), some ViM trappers, and whatnot. EkkoEkko SpyrokirbyStarr! 14:04, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
It said Team - HA Dervs are Gayway but I didn't notice that. ~ ĐONT*TALK 14:06, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
@Ekko: I just met that Triple DA spike (A/Me E-drain). It hurt, we were Forked Arrow Spike and our caller made us ball in a chokepoint -_- Dragnmn talk cont 14:10, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I love balling! ESPECIALLY in choke points! When the other team does it of course =) -- Nature Sig PicNature 14:36, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
That build is called chubbyway dragnmn, but ya rspike is for euro nigs ;( The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 14:40, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I got bored of SWay, and I'm euro. Great combo. Might want to run this tomorrow. Dragnmn talk cont 15:59, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
Chubbyway =/ a/mes, a-mes is just a gay piece of shit and chubbyway actually was damn strong. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:06, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Mesmer

Mantra of Inscriptions Mantra of Inscriptions got nerfed... so it now has energy probs cuz it can't spam Leech Signet Leech Signet as much... Imbue 19:49, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Switch to N/Me? Dragnmn talk cont 03:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
No, humility can still be kept up for about 90%(didn't checked) which is still worth it. Leech sig is just a small part. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Leech sig is energy management.. It can't manage energy now because it gets the bonus energy less frequently Imbue 05:28, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Have you even tried it yourself? It still works. Display Horrified lolcat 05:55, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Nvm, not gonna argue with u... u try it and u will know what i mean Imbue 08:44, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Leech sig is just used since you need a interupt, and pdrain can't interupt ghost. It's just a plus that it's also reduced by mantra. The energy managment from leech sig is just a 2nd part, and doesn't really matter as you pretty much have enough(unless you're a fag that spams rotting flesh). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 08:58, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Lol, we're talking about it like it's a Great build, while no one has voted on it yet ^^. Just a quick question, do you think you need Vent or TS to run this properly, or can your average Team Chat cope with it? Dragnmn talk cont 13:43, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
average team has vent tbh The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 13:44, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Wait what? Vent? Do like the french ppl, go TS! Display Horrified lolcat 14:43, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Teemspeek?? The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 14:44, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Tomspok ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 14:48, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Withering Aura Withering Aura on the tainter is nice. Weakness can work both defensively (put it on your backline aswell) and offensively (covers conditions + lowers att's) ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 14:52, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

No comment. Display Horrified lolcat 15:13, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
k ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 15:16, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
O nvm that putting on the backline as it only works with melee. But it'd still be nice. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 15:18, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Rend and Rigor are the only skills you could switch for Withering. Rend/Rigor > Withering. Display Horrified lolcat 15:21, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
That's true though. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 15:21, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Give your monk a sword/axe, and have him atk the derv thats sitting on his face... ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:22, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, that works. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 15:24, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Tbh, that would be pretty good. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:25, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Switching out the only antiblock skill or ench removal for something that Guardian can do err.. k. Display Horrified lolcat 15:27, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Generic Tainter:

Tainted Flesh Rotting Flesh Withering Aura Well of the Profane Glyph of Lesser Energy Grasping Earth Ward Against Foes Resurrection Signet

We're talking Withering Aura in general, not in this build. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 15:28, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Pft fine. troller.. Display Horrified lolcat 15:32, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Also works as a cover enchant for the dervs. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 15:37, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Cover enchant is a bad argument when you put it on a tainter... - Misery Is Hawt19px 15:53, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Weakness is the biggest RC food ever, especially when wounding is already 2 condi's. It will be some pretty amazing prot red bar. (PD @ sig of hum ;o) The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:53, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
If it gets interrupted, gogo Divert RC. But yeah I agree with you. Display Horrified lolcat 15:56, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Weakness is nice @ frontline in the same way blind is nice; but on a back/midliner its pretty much ignorable and powers RC heal. Unless you plan to be linebackling all match? The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:57, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Depending on how often you will be DwGing and keeping up weapon spells, the Rit might have a hard time to be a true support character. OoS would be useful but out of the picture due to lack of a useful spirit. Not sure what you could use, but I think it needs e-management, especially when if you use DwG in any moderate amount. Benjammn311Icon Benjammn311 17:12, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
lol; you dont need a spirit for OoS. The sac is nothing. The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:19, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
scroll up Dragnmn talk cont 08:11, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
No you? wth? Display Horrified lolcat 08:22, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
Conversation about new OoS rit build. Nvm. Dragnmn talk cont 08:24, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

2 Pacts, no ty. Switch for a Flesh. Don't really need dual Warding or two hardresses.. Get good monks instead. Display Horrified lolcat 16:14, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi

As far as I'm concerned the build is finished, I can see nothing else that needs changing, Ancestor's is fine...still does same overall damage, Splinter Weapon's slot is now optional with some suggestions. Can we start voting? =\ Lol. -- Nature Sig PicNature 18:23, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah hokai Fire Tock. Let's delete this because it got the same Frontline as a GvG build. Display Horrified lolcat 20:05, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Conjure

Hey Aesthetic, what's the difference between Conjure Frost and Flame? Dragnmn talk cont 14:21, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Conjure Frost looks way better then Flame, and you didn't even bothered to switch the Eq template so meh. Display Horrified lolcat 14:32, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
chilling additional damage is cold, so is conjure flame is better so enemys dont camp a +10al vs cold.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
and you have a snarer, so that would be a better reason to camp +10al cold shield if you had conjure frost.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
You got a point right there. Display Horrified lolcat 17:02, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
You guys entertain me sometimes ^^ -- Nature Sig PicNature 17:51, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Ward against foes

Why cant it be on the snarer, it doesnt need huge investement to be highly effective, and the derv could have higher damage if the eward gets to be replaced with conjure frost, also making the character more focused. --Tiger Tiger&#039;s Fury Tigrr grrr!! 05:57, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Because ward is gg. But yeah can switch it for a Conjure. Display Horrified lolcat 06:05, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
Ward is gg but it can be on the ele instead of wow that you already have on the rit, thats what I mean to say, doesnt need huge investement either. --Tiger Tiger&#039;s Fury Tigrr grrr!! 06:13, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
Do whatever you want really. Don't care anymore, ppls keep fuckin up the build. Display Horrified lolcat 06:19, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
Are you pissed by life internets? --Tiger Tiger&#039;s Fury Tigrr grrr!! 06:41, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
No, just a bit annoyed by stupid fucks. Display Horrified lolcat 07:31, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
Wtf, since when was WoW on the ele -.- -- Nature Sig PicNature 08:31, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Just noticed...

This on wiki Needless to say...it looks sexy O.o...just throwing that out there -- Nature Sig PicNature 20:21, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

NPA ftl. No comment. Display Horrified lolcat 06:38, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Rits generally lost a lot of value with the Arage/SW nerfs. It's a shame... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 06:42, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Not really, you just have to find new ways to use em now. They're still good. Display Horrified lolcat 10:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Fail

Guardian and SoA > three dervishes.....

Guardian ownz melee? wow I leanred something today /FrosTalk\ 11:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
SoA > dervs is even more fail. Hey guys, my crit hit is from 130 to 125 now! Yay. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:51, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
Try to stop bashing on the same target. Dragnmn talk cont 12:10, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
Even worse, Guardian and SoA are counter-productive when used together. 69.159.117.36 17:56, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
So i heard using SoA and Gua....ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO TOAD!--71.67.243.230 19:07, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Noticeboard discussion

I dont see how "Izzy raeped this".---ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 21:54, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

multiple nerfs, splinter weapon, and arage for starters No 21:58, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
that kills one build out of the whole, but that hardly kills it at all.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 22:02, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
no thats like a shit load of damage straight out of the build, spliter weapon was a big damage source. sig of humility got nerfed to while im at it No 22:09, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
Signet of Humility was nerfed LONG before this build was written. The only skills that got nerfed after it was written were Aura of Stability, AR, and Splinter. The aura nerf affected everybody, so dont rate this build bad bcuz of it. Splinter was removed before any of the votes there were made. The only nerfed skill is AR, which isnt horribly worse, so vote on the build as is and not as was. --- Monk-icon-Ressmonkey Ressmonkey (talk) 22:58, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
So they are less powerful so what? they were OP to begin with and now they are more balanced, i dont see a problem with this, SoH and Splinter were the most OP by far and Wounding strike is still over powered, as are scythes, and their are 3 of them in this build :p----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 00:02, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
Splinter became much less effective and is now only good not totally wtf overpowered awesome; arage still accomplishes what it's role in this is - to pressure; and SoH is by far not nerfed. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 07:28, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
GG Godliest. Display Horrified lolcat 07:21, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
But yeah. The votes are fucked up. Sig mesmers got nerfed? Yeah hokai, I can't see any really, no need for SnH. You still got Sig of Hum, the downtime is ~5secs Ooh! This isn't a spike so Arage still works like before, and yeah, everyone knows it was Splinter Weapon that totally ripped the other team apart, def not the 3 Dervishes, it was Splinter Weapon. Display Horrified lolcat 07:26, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
FUCK! How come I keep forgetting to sign! ;O Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 07:28, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
It's been hit by multiple nerfs, and is not effective as before (but nothing is after a nerf), but it still works very good. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:30, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
It's not just good, it's great. It went from stupidly overpowered to great. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 07:36, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

This works awesomeFritz.1979 04:25, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

The Nerf

I....am speechless....Archive...lol -- Nature Sig PicNature 21:26, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

I horribly overlooked something, wasn't that bad a nerf, still works fine, Sig of mystic speed nerf is quite annoyign though, Chilling loses -3 dmg and 9 bonus dmg, not that big of a deal. -- Nature Sig PicNature 11:51, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
Chilling could be swapped for Eremite's sweep to add another quite spammable attack as well as a second follow up attack. Anyone remember Mystic + Eremite's spikes...?--71.67.243.230 13:36, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
So we should probably remove the tag then?ComfortOsprey 14:50, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
Yup -- Nature Sig PicNature 16:15, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
I agree chilling should be swapped. And it wasn't a bad enough nerf to archive it. Dutchess of Roseakalukejohnson - talk - GuildWiki 04:56, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
Energy might be slightly tight with three spammable attacks and Enchanted Haste. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 05:16, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
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