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So, people start vetting soon. -Kbar

Two consets... T___T --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 09:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Note the difference between essence and conset. Also, your attributes can be better. It is possible to do either 12-9-9 or 12-10-8 on the Glyph sins. Rest seems fine. Dragnmn talk cont 10:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Oops, I misread. But anyway, are you sure manly can't complete the dungeon with the same times with Essences? --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 10:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that [ode] got 4 minutes on the last level. Also, the other Kath build is still up and you aren't allowed to take ti down, so i dont know what you're on. LifeWikiLOD7 10:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Pretty sure somebody got 3 min on the last level with manlyway. Using essence, manlyway is easily faster this this. Andy 14:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks like this can achieve times similar (but slightly slower) to manlyway. However, there's no reason to run 8 permas. In places like SoO, mobs are much more frequent and just running past them saves a lot of time. In Kathandrax you don't encounter a large amount of enemies and a simple recall pull can get any possible mobs out of the way. Also, killing bosses with manlyway only takes a few seconds, while sinway requires more time due to 33% less damage from SF and limited skill options. This means that the little time you saved by skipping mobs is lost when killing. Ironboot× 14:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
This is as fast or faster than manlyway, and with ebon ward and 7 sins me'leeing the wurm, it is ~96 dmg/sec, and wurms have ~1000hp. Also, if you managed to drop the aggro before attacking the wurm, popping in 6 ebon assassins speeds it up. Idk, but time is not really lost from killing the wurm. The pulling strategy and running past everything on lvl 3 can be made faster, but those were my own times. It is just as fast to have one sin aggro, while one pulls/aggro the flame djinn, similar to the two tank strategy in manlyway. Running to the end and a pain inverter spike is also much faster to kill, as it nearly kills or kills Ilsindur in one hit.I have done it in times of 4,4,4, but I never thought that I would post this on wiki. -Kbar
The times on the current manlyway page are old and uses a completely different build. No one has been bothered to take screenshots with the new build and better players; only on the last level. Ironboot× 16:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Manlyway is faster than this.. but those crap manly spike builds suck. 3 min Lvl 3 However, this is just another way to the dungeon very quickly, and just maybe 5 min slower. -Kbar
SCAR is obviously quantity>quality. Pretty much the officers and GL of the SCAR alliance guilds are good. Making up around 40-50 good players. It's really sad because SCAR sucks. It does. Their builds on Kathandrax Manly Spike suck, their times suck, and they don't even post variants. w/ my guild we get 3,3,3. w/ SCAR you can enjoy your 7,9,8 times. really take it 7,9,8 with SCAR builds. omg, those are great, join SCAR for an average experience. -SpinSeal 02:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
not true.... SCAR has a bunch of good players; they're just lucky that they have an abundance of actively-skilled players. imo very good guild. -Kbar 01:04, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone actually ran this mediocre build? Mason717 sig Mason717 Pika! 22:03, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

it's better from where it was when you updated it. Kbar 02:41, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
shadow form is getting nerfed anyway. i hardly see 14 min as mediocre. i hardly see your changing of a few skills as significant, especially when they were originally variant slots, when this was ran without any cons. I hardly see you online. i hardly have seen any notable contributions from you. i haven't seen you write anything worth reading. i haven't seen you do anything significant. you have just been some guy that I use to test things out. I don't really think that you know what you are talking about. Kbar 02:50, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

"kbarway"

The name was changed to Sinway as per naming policy, where we try and make it more obvious what people will actually be playing. It is not usual to attribute a build to a particular someone, but racway and sabway are names commonly used in the community. This isn't. Athrun FeyaAthrun SigRwrRr 17:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey! Guess what! No one gives a damn! Yay! LifeWikiLOD7 07:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
That reminds me, I should have called manlyway Lauway. Athrun FeyaAthrun SigRwrRr 18:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Such a modest name. + ℓγssάή [rage] 18:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was kidding....................obviously......... but I like the sound of Kbarway. Sounds pretty 1337 to me. I should campaign and make Kbarway as accepted as Sabway.................. jk jk jk -Kbar
Only that Sabway was a good build, this isnt. :p --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 09:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

look like random skill bars tacked onto perma sins to kill stuff--Relyk 10:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He basically got as many allies as possible so PI blows up ilsundur in like 2 secs. Life Guardian 10:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Wow, somebody gets it and is willing to look at it with an open mind before even trying it or even thinking.Mason717 19:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
have a sin do 600 monk style, have all the other sins use evas and PI imo--Relyk 22:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Have a sin do 600 monk style? What?Mason717 22:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Its time to say this

First came sinway of Boogrot to farm frog scepters, then came the Shards Of Orr sinway to get Bone dragon staff, now comes Kanthandrax sinway...Assasins are taking over dungeon speed clears its a fact.

Only eotn dungeon where full sin parties are viable is SoO actually. :0 --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 23:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
You have 8 sins so nobody dies on lvl 3... Kbar and I have done it with 2 sins and 6 people with Pain Inverter/EVAS, it takes about 10 minutes+ longer. Mason717 19:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
you realize it was only time before people realize that 8 sf sins can run through dungeons and kill things fairly quick and easily--Relyk 22:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Could/can be done in Urgoz too, not tried since they updated 100blades AthrunAthrun SigFeya 22:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey Carnivorous, just because you can't afford consets, it doesn't mean that the builds are crap. -Kbar 19:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
ALSO, this would be very effective in the deep. A combination of Golden phoenix strike, jungle strike, and death blossom, with Shadow form, would be a serious amount of AoE damage. With 9 sins, Shiver/MoP w/ Recall and a BiP w/ Recall, and a Heal Party monk. people can simply just body block everything up and AoE dmg them to death. ~10 sinsx25 AoE dmg/second+ 60dmgx3second(scatter from MoP}x9sins. Not bad. And a UA resser because everyone loves those. 4 of the sins would bring YmLaD for the 3-3-3-3 tactic. And 3 of the 4 would recall. i might write a build if i have time... it looks fun. Of course, manly spike works too, but Sins are so much fun. -Kbar 19:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
You show in that post that you have never done Deep before. Life Guardian 02:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
^That. Also Kbar, I can afford consets but if I can complete something with same results without having to use them I'd rather chose that instead. Also, what does my above comment have to do with consets? --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 00:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Page changes

This talk page has had comments and headings removed, disrupting the flow of text. For example, most of the comments in the current section that talks about renaming came from a different heading. That heading has since been removed. I'm slightly confused here, because thats not supposed to happen. Life Guardian 21:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"6 min"

yea, 6 minutes = 1/2 of essence left! they got nerfed and now last 12 minutes ......../Sarcasim & unreliable claim --DarkChaosSig 01:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Dark speaks the truth. Life Guardian 01:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
and look, at this Lol --DarkChaosSig 01:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
We had some of our guys run around for screenshots, as that was the first run w/ my guild. idc if you believe me. AND,DarkChaosSig, we found a way to make it go faster. so obviously we fixed the total time on the dungeon run. It shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend Dark Chaos, but then again, Guild Wars is full of noobs. -Kbar 01:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
if that is so I suggest you would remove it/replace it with a screen of an acctual 6min run since the one in the current pic is obviously not one...Oh and the "grail of might version screen" I dont get it, all it shows it that you've been in the last lvl for about 20min. Dumbo Ranger-tango-icon-20 12:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Still looks odd. You screenshot the completion times of previous two levels right away but its takes you more than 15 to make one for the last level. :s --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 00:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

sf nerf

i can't fucken wait til they nerf shadow form

Except they won't. They've already said they wont. Life Guardian 04:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
nerf essence again :D--Relyk 07:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah they should just delete every other primary from pve than sins. wouldn't make a big difference KtAN 13:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
ur a shitter, kthnx. Life Guardian 23:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

More general

Updated to make a lot easier. The Djinn tank was never needed, if you have survivor armor. And EVAS didn't work that well b/c they would use Iron Palm and KD him and you wouldnt be able to get much from PI. Mason717 03:42, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Emerald Blade

Does anyone actually know the drop rate of an Emerald Blade. I mean.... has anyone taken the time out to compile data??? -Kbar 01:10, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Some have. AthrunAthrun SigFeya 10:02, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Time for 3rd level

Realistically how long does the third level take? also is 15 minutes viable only for the most experienced of teams? I was wondering because I have't tried this way but my guild can hit a solid 20 minutes with the mass A/N's with ~4/8 experienced. 00:18, November 24, 2009 (UTC) The Crippster

Well the current screens are using a terribad build with people with very little experience, and considering it can be 2 manned in 13 mins, 15 mins should be easy to get if you party can keep sf up... Mason717 08:00, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
lol it's me again in the screen. Kbar 04:22, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Thats 13 for the last dungeon WITH PI leechers. Im talking the whole thing.The Crippster
well it's 25 min solo (for me). Aprox 21 min 2 man(4,4,13 for Kbar and Mason717 )(for me at least) A full sinway team should be around the time 4,4, 5-6. so 17 min for a full sin team. The problem is that the screens are so out of date because soloing it is just much better than running a full sin team. In fact, just soloing lvl 1 and 2 using assassins and just using manly way with the other 6 players works as well. check the solo guide for an in-depth guide because the same strategies are implemented in solo and two man and sinway. However manlyway is faster than this if you are strictly going for time on lvl 3. hope this helped Kbar 04:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
We (Me, Ricky, some [eyes] people and some [DPR] people) did a three man kind of thing in here the other night. One perma was running the solo but he was drunk so me and some other perma were running GDW...anyways point is Ricky got a r9 emerald :D and we only did one run. In that same night a guildie of mine got a r10 smite froggy :D. Anyways you should've been there.Consitini 10:10, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Also nice update on the build. Consitini 10:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
thanks.... GZ to ricky and you guys. if you like the dungeon, try manlyway it's faster.. im gonna put my other account back in eyes so i can do stuff with my acc there and w/ my current guild. My other account has a decent assassin with a similar armor set-up to mine, so I can do stuff w/ you guys too.Kbar 05:33, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Euhm why Summon naga shaman? 84.255.207.133 17:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think their spell is stoning, so then with the weakness the Barbie sin carries you can perma kd bosses with 6 (or however many there is) spamming stoning and then you also have earthbind in there to make sure the enemies stay on their ass.Consitini 10:00, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
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