Talk: Team - Perma SF/SS UW

Healing Breeze

Healing Breeze is kinda hard, since you are a A/E. And the visages have no use, since you will never be hit, therefore you can't farm smites eighter. Kongtorp 20:03, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

7/2/08 update

Shadow Form is gonna have trouble in UW now. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 20:13, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Not really, it can still be permanently maintained, and it's the SS doing the damage, not the sin.--Golden

Star 20:17, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Goldenstar not trashtalking? Omg. The new Riders spawn guys with Signet of Disenchantment eh.? ≈Display

lolcat 20:25, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

put some random cover enchants in, gg No 20:25, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I wonder.. 15 sec recharge, and pretty many are gonna spawn you know. ≈Display

lolcat 20:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Read usage: Smites. But that don't work, since visages do not work with SF. Kongtorp 20:29, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

However if you actually read it it says to let SF run out, (assuming you allow health to regen) then put of Armor of Earth, Glyph of swiftness-Stoneflesh, so that stone flesh recharges, allowing the SS to cast Visage on you, and SS on the smites

Aura of restoration, shadow refuge, shadow sanctuary, and feigned neutrality. Cover enchants pwn.--Golden

Star 20:31, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Heh, I guess. ≈Display

lolcat 20:32, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

And when taking away the invincible part of this, and the fast part.. How is this better than with a 55hp? Kongtorp 20:41, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

its easier to keep up pretty much. No 20:42, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

plus it can aggro more stuff that a 55 can No 20:42, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

The smites will kill it.. Kongtorp 20:45, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

No they won't No 20:52, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes they will. Kongtorp 20:55, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

you don't lose health unless you don't maintain it No 20:57, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I think Kongtorp is trying to say that the visages dont trigger when you're Shadow Formed, since you don't get hit.

Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 21:02, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

oh, yeah, me = fail No 21:02, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, np. It's only been noted twice by me, and once by Ressmonkey. Kongtorp 21:04, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Again, the ussage and proper way to use this build is to STOP MAINTAINING SHADOW FORM AT THE SMITES, with both ele armors up you wont take any dammage from them with max armor(in theory) and therefore should survive the battle with them, for more survival think about bringing a health regen and armor booster from the shadow arts line, there is one of them that gives +10 health regen, and +60 or 80 armor, and should be more then enough to keep you alive. THAT IS HOW TO SURVIVE SMITES, enough said i hope lol<Johnpeckens

fear me

isn't much of a counter, just stay on a low set and cast with a higher set No 20:24, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Visages wont do anything. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 20:32, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

A very easy way to completely avoid the use of "Fear Me" is to NOT attack the Graspings. I stress this to all people I team with whenever I duo UW. The SS need not attack, just stand back and cast away.Masterjer1 22:56, 6 February 2009 (EST)

AGGRO

I heard in HM things like to change it.--71.67.243.230 20:45, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

i herd in 55/SS the SS needs to stay out of range No 20:47, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I heard in 55/SS the SS needs to cast SS.--71.67.243.230 20:49, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

i herd the SS casts shit and get away, if you can't cast SS without getting killed ur doing it wrong No 20:50, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Not exactly hard to use an ss build unless your a dumb ass Gars Gate Opener 02:06, 2 July 2008 (GMT)

Doesn't matter, they run and regen in HM. Tried it several times, and it works to an extent, but it takes so fucking long it isn't worth it. --Sazzy 19:30, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Locations

This really cant farm anywhere of impotance. It cant kill smites and cant kill in the chaos planes. IMO, put a WELL tag on it with the reason "UW changes." Killing Grasps and AAtxes isn't enough for a 2 man build. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 21:08, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Could use the build in FoW instead Gars Gate Opener 02:09, 2 July 2008 (GMT)

What do you need Visages for? ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ 19:17, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Smites removing hexes, thus no damage from you/you die.

Kongtorp 19:28, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Needs hitting to work. Cant hit thru SF. ---

Ressmonkey (talk) 19:34, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Smite Hex and Zealous Fire?

Kongtorp 19:45, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Visages only trigger when u get hit in melee. SF = no hits. No hits = no working visages. ---

Ressmonkey (talk) 19:47, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, no working visages=smites got energy. Smites got energy=you dead.

Kongtorp 19:51, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Usage

Upon spawning, cast your skills in order 1 -> 2 -> 3. Maintain Shadow Form. Aggro two groups of aatxe and the patrolling ones. Have the ss get the quest then pull all enemies to one side of you and call out for SS. ||||||||||||||||||||||At smites let shadow form run out and maintain armor of earth and stone flesh(Make sure to use glyph with stoneflesh)|||||||||||||| AT SMITES LET SHADOW FORM RUN OUT AND MAINTAIN ARMOR..... lol i shouldnt have to post this 12 tiems if people would just read the ussage< Johnpeckens

HOW LOL!

Me Rask the troll that was banned.(For trollings of course ;).) Has been more help on this build than any members AND/OR Buildmasters Admin me pl0x kthnx lulz. Anyways I use this with my friend when we get bored. Bring earth attunement if you fail with energy and fiegned neutrality if you get scared of shit. FYI this can do plains too if you don't have a newb ss that gets pwned on the way.(avoid cursed in my experience they drop just as shitty as mindblades). -_-_->Rask AKA Bluerask (The Troll)

fixed team composition

sins bar was a bit messed up.--IM BLUE! 23:36, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

This still cant do smites. The main problem with them is Smite Hex removing your hexes, which will kill the sin nad remove SS, making them take pretty much no damage. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 08:12, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

read permasins usage on smites area. it sais u drop SF and use armor or earth and stoneflesh to stay alive while SV+AV drain nrg from smites.--IM BLUE! 19:55, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

and this got rated fail how if u actually can do smites in nm............................

u drop SF and use armor of earth and stoneflesh dilweeds.--IM BLUE!

totally right, votewipe is needed... people just don't think when they see a build i guess=p^Close

_Impact Too Muh Bruh 11:08, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Agreed Broseph

Rask Attack! 00:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Writing builds

Try to at least be somewhat competent when writing builds. At one point, the stupidity becomes overly rampant. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 00:19, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Can farm chaos plains

I think they removed the signet of disenchant guys so you probably could farm there, but the sin is better off just soloing it Ebolax 18:55, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Visages and Shadow Form

Do Visages now work on a target that can't be hit due to SF? If not, the visages aren't doing much more than wasting energy, are they? -- Aubee91 13:27, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Or you just could read the usage. ≈Display

talk 17:42, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Edit Visages and Shadow Form

Ok I'm just going to put this out there for those of us who did not read it and continue to post that you use SF on the Smites and will cause the run to FAIL, this is not true, if you read the usage, you don't use SF on the smites, and instead use Armor of Earth and glyph of swiftness to maintain Stoneflesh, allowing you to live. Also, for the Chaos Planes, Asuming you bring skills to survive traps/knockdown, i sugest IAU "I Am Unstopable", and the one skill that gives like +80 armor and +7-8 health regen, keeping your armor skills up to prevent dammage. IAU allows you to bypass the charged blackness which knocks you down, and allows you to make it to the chaos planes, these skills also allow you to farm the bone pits, the spawn pits, and the mountains, allowing for a almost complete farm, if you bring Perma sins and 2 Ss, i believe you could clear to the chest with a longer run, using both perma sins to kill the 4 horsemans. Ty for reading and for taking my imput, i hope this helps. (EDT) November 4, 2008 (JohnPeckens)

Then fix it--Shadow

14:40, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Is there a way to kill the Obsidian Behemoths? or do you just run past them? 68.117.1.5 22:14, 12 January 2009 (EST)Ghost

get a brave SS to quickly hex them. assassin then auto attacks perhaps? not too sure sorry but thats all i got ƃuoן sı

ʇɐɔƃuoן 20:18, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Chaos Plains?

I can see how (with the extra armor) the perma sin can tank-walk it's way to the plains no problem. But how does the necro get there? Follow closely behind with fingers crossed? Or do you have to kill your way there? I greatly appreciate anyone that can give (good) advice on this. Ministry of Chaos 19:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

This build doesn't work

Monsters will always run and regen, then the SS won't be able to get in range to cast SS without agroing the monsters that ran away to regen. Avatar Kuzon 22:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

no they won't. you let sf drop health and then put it up and aggro Exo Oo 22:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, but that still doesn't change the fact that once a monster drops below 50% health, it will run away to regen.

I just tried what you said Exo, and they still ran. Avatar Kuzon 22:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)