Archive talk:Team - PvE Smiteway/Archive1

hahaa... If the AotL MM is a hero then it should definitely have Death Nova, right? --Chaos Messenger 10:42, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Doesn't have to be a hero. That's why there are variants. — Abedeus 10:53, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Dwayna's Lich build - necros cant use monk runes so attributes need fixing

Good catch, fixed. Also after an hour of testing I've changed the Necro's build so it has Death Nova. Makes mobs ka-boom faster. But please, sign your comments with four ~'s. — Abedeus 12:33, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah, putting Death Nova is an absolute abuse of the hero AI. Also, can you manage to get 1 more Death Magic to the necro hero for +20 damage Rising Bile and general effectiviness? forgot the AotL DM buff, good thinking.

Change the res on heroes to Restore Life or something, it's enough if the human has Rebirth since I expect him/her to survive.. I'm also trying to make Smite Hex fit in the SB bar but it doesn't seem necessary. Deny Hexes is leetness in there.. --Chaos Messenger 15:00, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Judge's Insight owns PvE. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 15:07, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Eh.. and what exactly would you enchant with it? One of the meat shields? Make monks wand?

Put Putrid Bile over Rising Bile, PvE foes don't live long enough for RB to have any proper effect. You might also want to mainbar BotM over Healing Ribbon and put Healing Ribbon to variants/ditch it totally. --Chaos Messenger 15:32, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Judge's Insight would be good if you had a human melee, like Evi Warrior or a DS Spammer. I'll change PB for RB, if you think it's better. Also, my heroes already use better resses - one has Restore Life, the other one has Resurrection Chant. Healing Ribbon is useful, and you usually should steamroll enemies so fast you don't need to heal your minions. They will either die or will be replaces fast. — Abedeus 16:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)

hmm i think if you casts that much rays of judgement guild wars will crash. but it looks nice, i hope it will works nice to Riktw 17:09, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Changed monk bars, now they have better resses, Necro bar is also altered. You think it's ready for testing? — Abedeus 02:45, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Tried it out in Ruins of Morah. She doesn't kite from the RoJ beams and 3 of them are more than enough to smash her and burn. Get some decent Daze build for Morgahn and you can finish the mission in 3:10. Got a screenie for that xd. — Abedeus 05:23, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Earthen Schakles for the win...?88.141.145.155 06:39, 16 December 2008 (EST)

no build there could manage to use Earthen Shackles...

Seems like you messed up my point with the RP/PB, I'll just put in Putrid Bile myself, if you don't mind.. Hmmh.. Seems like we aren't getting more outsider help so you could move to testing. --Chaos Messenger 08:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Okay, I'm going to put it in testing later. But I thought you said Putrid was worse... I changed it for Rising ;p Whatever, thanks for help. — Abedeus 11:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Putrid Bile > Rising Bile as the damage on death isn't conditional to the duration of the hex and the degen is ok too. Spaggage talk 11:43, 16 December 2008 (EST)

"Put Putrid Bile over Rising Bile, PvE foes don't live long enough for RB to have any proper effect", sorry to say, you just got my point wrong. --Chaos Messenger 14:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Mo/E?

I suppose that the human is meant to be playable for everyone, so add a variant for each profession of possible skills. Signet of Lost Souls, GoLE, Power Drain/Energy Tap.... help me out here, list something --Chaos Messenger 19:08, 16 December 2008 (EST)

I enjoy using Signet of Corruption on Mo/N. Nice energy, in a perfect situation is better than Glyph. Sure, it's for more targets, but if someone has r6+ Luxon/Kurzick, it CAN be better. Mesmers can use Ray of Judgment too, Arcane Echo it if they want or just Fast Cast it, Elementalists the same, although they would be better as a knockdown/support or wards. Warriors/Assassins/Rangers/Dervishes as tanks, Paragon as Imbagon, Necro as healer or MM, Ritualist the same. Should we add this to the build itself? — Abedeus 05:33, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Those who play necro can play the AotL build themself and take 3 monk heroes. Elementalists can play a variant of RoJ Mesmers can play a variant of RoJ Assassins can play A/E permaSF Paragons can as mentioned be Imbagons. Good sync with minions I suppose, unsure about wording on "SY!" and not going to check it. Warriors can indeed tank. They need to run Defy Pain since Gladiator's breaks aggro.

Axe Mastery 9+1 Strength 12+1+1 Tactics 9+1

Hmm... Monks play the build you got there..

That leaves Dervishes and Rangers, right? Rangers could use stuff like Winnowing and perhaps Barrage.. they can't really tank as good as anyone else imo.

Dervs play...? --Chaos Messenger 09:03, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Well... that Warrior build is meh. DS spammer is much, much, MUCH better, or with Earthshaker. Dervs can play ANY melee build, even Avatar of Lyssa/Grenth/Balthazar/Melandru. Not Lyssa, she stinks in general PvE. Rangers can tank, too. Or just melee with Earthshaker.. — Abedeus 10:25, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I've slept for 3½ hours, my opinions don't matter atm and I'll regret them when I've slept better and atm I'm just trying to make thoughts of others flow aka inspire them. Earth Shaker is good, it feeds RoJ. --Chaos Messenger 12:03, 17 December 2008 (EST)

change the monks to full smiters

in that way you get more dmg...and good support and the mm could takes [Aegis] and [Protective Spirit]...or just take another smiter...this + 1-2 hensch monks should work.

maybe take smiters like this...?

<pvxbig> [build prof=Mo/? smi=12+1+1 div=12+1][Ray of Judgment][Reversal of Damage][Smite Condition][Smite Hex][Castigation Signet][Zealot's Fire][No Skill][No Skill][/build] </pvxbig>

sry for bad english btw. Illoyon 16:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Would fail in HM. That healing from Divine Magic (for which you require no extra investment on Smiter Heroes) AoE spells is really useful. Plus Zealot Fire causes scatter and is baed. — Abedeus 16:19, 17 December 2008 (EST)

so maybe Smiter's Boon instead of Zealot's Fire...and Divine Healing + Heaven's Delight on the smiters for some group heal? Illoyon 16:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Why isnt smiters boon on the main bar...--ChristmasRelyk 23:07, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I guess you are refering to the bar above? Dunno. If you are talking about the Mo/E on the main page, that's because you have only 1 spell targeting other ally from Smiting Prayers. Would be a waste of skillslot. — Abedeus 00:47, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Restore Life

^ -StarSeeker 18:22, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Wut? — Abedeus 01:18, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Jagged Bones

Pwns AotL. Life 03:41, 20 December 2008 (EST)

actually on a Rt/M with Explosive growth in Urgoz, being able to spike everything in the area from raising 15 minions at once does a fuckton of damage. as well as fully recharges the energy bar of the rit and any necros in the area...but that's a different build.--72.189.85.14 04:25, 20 December 2008 (EST)