Archive talk:Team - SF/Commando

grrr, comment already.--Reason.decrystallized 14:43, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

imo, Slivvy tank w/e-management works better. File:Signature 1.jpgAce (LVPoW) 14:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

you mean the SF slivers? well, just take it along with the bonder ... i'll add to variants.--Reason.decrystallized 14:50, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, with Mending you are unbeatable, thats sure. --Super Igor File:Igor Ninjask.png *ninja!!* 16:20, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Mending makes you laugh at bleeding, right in its face! --Sazzy (talk) 16:24, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

MENDING FTW!!! no but seriously, when you combine it with protective bond and three sup runes and only PBAoE can hurt you, mending and watchful really will heal all your damage almost always.--Reason.decrystallized 16:35, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

TBH, the areas you can't farm with SF Permaform are few and far, and aren't really worth it. I mean the only things that can really stop it are PB/AoE damage, special enchant removers (like Sig of Disenchant) and etc. I mean I think you could even do the DoA solo (I think). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:11, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

No, you can't solo the DoA--only a very few groups in gloom. way too much PBAoE. with this, however, you can do most of gloom, all of city, and some of Foundry to farm for gemstones. you can also kill a lot of mobs in underworld and FoW that you couldn't (or would have trouble with) otherwise. and, like it says, when you come to mobs that you CAN take without the hero, just flag him off.--Reason.decrystallized 09:17, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

I doubt this could do city, too much healing. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 17:44, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

aherm--Reason.decrystallized 17:49, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

which is to say, i already did it, with an old version that used inspiration magic and LOWER smiting prayers than this.--Reason.decrystallized 17:51, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

55/105 Sin

I mean if you are bringing Prot Bond and hp regen skills it seems kinda obvious to me.24.67.135.184 19:12, 1 June 2008 (EDT)Wynne

Well you're using 3 sup runes anyway, why not?--Goldenstar 19:14, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

not strictly needed, but I'll add to variants.--Reason.decrystallized 19:21, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Doesnt fit into that naming convention, 3 sups just lowers health to squishie form, but it still doesnt use the extra rune.--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 23:35, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

why it works on healers

1 question, how does this allow you to take on groups with monks? I see how you wouldn't have to worry about PBAoE, but how can it overcome the healing spells? Killer Hasy 14:18, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

the extra damage from strength and honor adds quite a lot. in the DoA, lightbringer helps, too. spamming the attack skills as fast as you can will simply overpower the healers in most groups. why? because death blossom does AoE damage. it doesn't just hit the monk, it hits everyone else, too. the monk tries to heal everyone at once, wasting spell recharges and energy, then runs out and dies. even against the big group at the end of City of Torc'qua with a monk boss and two or three other monks--they try to heal back death blossom's damage to all thirty people, and with quickening zephyr making your attacks come faster and their energy deplete faster, they run out before you do and they die.--Reason.decrystallized 14:38, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Merge

Build:A/E Perma-SF Daggers Farmer and Build:Mo/N SF Assassin Bonder to this.--Phail Tock ^{A guide to this user.} 18:55, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Infact, dont even merge, just delete them and have their title redirect to this.--Phail Tock ^{A guide to this user.} 18:59, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

the bonder maybe, the dagger build by itself, no ... there's still plenty of stuff it can do without messing with a bonder.--Reason.decrystallized 19:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

please note

that you only need 23 energy before casting Glyph of Swiftness and deadly Paradox then Shadow Form, not 30. Even with 3 enrgy regen you only need 23 you'll have enough energy by the time Shadow Form Recharges.--Phail Tock ^{A guide to this user.} 18:58, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

DoA

So can this solo the entire DoA, including Mallyx? Christhepirate 20:23, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

no ... mostly it's just for farming, though it can do all of city for sure, it might be able to do all of gloom, foundry is too chancy with the hero taking aggro, and stygian veil there's too much touch-based lifesteal. you might be able to throw in a ranger with symbiosis and QZ and then take critical strike and way of perfection ... maybe. haven't even thought about mallyx, though. it's a farmer not a mission-doer, it just happens to be able to do at least one of the missions.--Reason.decrystallized 20:33, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

This is kinda stupid but, if this can solo the entire City, how do you kill the healers? ive been having a problem with that.

there's a section above called "why it works on healers". also, plz sign comments with ~~~~.--Reason.decrystallized 03:47, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Mo/Rt

Shelter and offering of spirit.--Phail Tock ^{A guide to this user.} 20:59, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Less E/S than OoB. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:00, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Better Elite

Scribes insight instead of offering of blood. If the monk spams his signets then it's a lot easier.--Phail Tock ^{A guide to this user.} 21:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Then you could take Mantra of Inscriptions+Scribe's Insight. Doesn't sounds like a bad idea, as long as you can find the room. -Mike 21:24, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig> [build prof=Mo/Any hea=10+3 smi=9+3 pro=9+1+3 div=8+3][Scribe's Insight][Blessed Signet][Signet of Devotion][Rebirth][Watchful Spirit][Mending][Protective Bond][Strength of Honor][/build] </pvxbig> This maybe? 15 energy for every bless sig, 3 for every devotion. Not sure if it's actually better. I'd think offering of blood is better overall management--Goldenstar 21:32, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Needs moar Mantra of Inscriptions in there somewhere. -Mike 21:42, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

offering gives you a net 13 energy (14 gained, 1 spent) per 15 seconds, then there's the 20% HSR chance on a staff. that's slightly more than three pips. in that bar, if you hit both sigs on recharge you gain an extra three every 7 seconds for SoD and three every 12 for Blessed, which is somewhat less than 2.5 pips, minus 5 every ~30 seconds for scribe's ~= .5 pips, so a net gain of under two pips. also: heroes will use OoB, but they won't use devotion sig unless there's something to heal, so you would have to constantly micro-manage AND switch targets (you have to give the hero a target for Devotion Sig). i'll take the three pips and no micro-management, myself. yes, you could then cut the recharge with MoI, but using MoI takes half a pip (10 energy every 60 seconds), you have to give up another skill, and there's no frigging way that using it will give you another pip and a half + to equal OoB, and there's still the micromanagement problem to consider. OoB is better.--Reason.decrystallized 01:50, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Well of Power?--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 23:33, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I don't think the hero will get close enough to use a Well spell. XD Offering of Blood should be enough, actually. >.> -Mike 07:17, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

/agree. if your hero is close enough to use a well spell, then you're doing something wrong.--Reason.decrystallized 09:50, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Bonder?

How do I use that? I mean, where should I put these bonds? All of them on the 55 bonder, and he uses them himself? Forgive me that noobish question. Dr4goN (talk/pvxcontribs) 08:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

you put them on yourself so that PBAoE doesn't kill you. it's in the usage.--Reason.decrystallized 09:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Sliver Form

with succor instead of Strength of Honor. interesting variant for farming City and gloom on hm. possibly Fow as well. i mean, i can rescue the guys in gloom every single time, which is a lot of torment creatures to farm for items, lb points, etc. it iz gud.--Reason.decrystallized 20:28, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Duncan The Black

Can this team kill Duncan The Black?--LupoOmicida 09:18, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

duncan reflects damage you'll have to stop attacking every few seconds and let the hero's energy recover. other than that ... i haven't ever fought him (much less with this), so I really don't know.--Reason.decrystallized 07:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Destruction's Depths

Just testing this and did the whole mission easily. Avatar Kuzon 14:15, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

well duh, this does just about anything that doesn't have massive amounts of untargeted AoE or huge healing.--Goldenstar 14:18, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

Death Blossom & Ebon Battle Standard of Honor

Before a revert war starts, it should be shown that Death Blossom's AoE effect is not increased by EBSH. --Wyvern 21:46, 18 June 2008 (EDT)