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Mountains perma

Is there any way to run the mountains perma as E/A?

Only with golden eggs and candy corn, and even then it's harder than with a/e, because you'll only have 15 SA (I believe). -- Star of Exile talk  21:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Good to see it

Good to see folks have made use of parts of my original guide, which is now a bit outdated. (Gerg)

wut -- Star of Exile talk  21:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Vale Idea's?

Dwarven Stability and Dark escape on the Sin mean that he only takes 1 dmg from IW, makes it easyer on energy too. Elegent 13:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

- lol? how Dwarven Stability is reducing the damage you take? and Dark Escape? Meaning you wait for necro to kill the bad guys? lol. Any more bright ideas you have?

Dwarven Stability would allow you to nearly maintain Dark Escape (you also have consets reducing the recharge), which doesn't end on sliver armor's or aftershock's damage, just when you physically attack. All of the skills on that bar look too important though. And there is a portion where you need to wand for Shadow Refuge's healing bonus. Toraen 15:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

If you guys want vale done withen 9 mins u need 3 things. 
a Pro Chambers, Vale necro and Vale Sin. im not going to give any of the 

builds cause we hold the record of doing uwsc in 7 mins Sry^ ^

if anyone wants to pm me in game to come on a run you can.....u musty do areas fast.......<>xx Silents death xx

plains counters

should signet of humility be mentioned in the counters section of the plains-sin part? 85.165.253.129 23:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I put it in. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 12:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Which is easiest?

Which build is..

Easiest to get skills for Easiest to do - safest/less work/less chance to die

And could you also tell me the hardest? :D! (Based on the same things)

Thx ^_^

Easiest is probably chamber, waste or pits (i started as chamber), hardest is mnt imo -- Star of Exile talk  15:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hardest is probably mnt, although really not that hard. Hardest to get skills for is either pits for derv skills, wastes/pools for rad field, or mnts/wastes/plains for BUH! Easiest area is pits, just roll an A/D and maintain SF and kill threshers first and you can't die. Life 15:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

collectors first -- Star of Exile talk  16:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Threshers....Life 17:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Lolz. Wich spawn minions? Kill those first. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 11:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Wiki says collectors (Though you shouldn't kill them first as then the minions become hostile to the threshers and you get FoCed). I just c-space spam and not had a problem yet. Andy 12:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Ofcourse you kill the minions as soon as they spawn, you wouln't want to get any rampant minions on your head. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 14:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

And nice damage off banishing. Andy 15:03, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

If you kill the threshers first, and do a decent job pulling, there's nothing for the minions to go hostile on. By the time threshers are dead, you have multiple minions to go AoE Holy rape on. Killing collectors first makes no sense. Life 15:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You kill collectors first so that they don't spawn minions from the dead threshers, it's very simple. If they spawn minions, it's slower because you have to take the time to kill the minions and be careful not to kill the collector before the minion -- Star of Exile talk 16:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You don't get it. If all the threshers are dead, minions don't mean shit. Blow up the minions in one attack, hit the collectors with the AoE and start killing the collectors. Life 16:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

anyways, pits and chamber is easyRiktw 12:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Weapons?

I currently use a Droknar's staff, which as all the mods required for a sin to wrok.l The only thing is, I just read i need a shield with +10 fire AL. Is this true? Doesn't Shadowform stop them from attacking? =s! Thanks.

I assume you're doing waste - it's to reduce damage against zealot's fire -- Star talk  01:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The shield+caster weapon set is just to make things easier. You'll take less damage from zealots fire if you use a fire shield, but it's no big deal if you don't have one. Life 01:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

So what weapons would be suggested for shield+caster, what greens/golds should i aim for =] thanks 93.97.250.47 02:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Any 16AL shield with +10 vs fire. +45 hp while enchanted is nice as well. The sword/axe/spear should be +5 energy with +20% enchantments. Not sure on green shields, but if you'd prefer a green weapon; rajazans fervor, totem axe, and spirit of the forgotten all have those stats. Life 04:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Forgotten shields from the end NF chests have +10vs. cold/fire etc. But personally I use a caster melee weap with a earth focus(destroyer) with +45 while enched and a +10 vs. fire inscrip. --Sam6555 15:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I have a +10al vs shock & fire (and +5, 20% spear), - I use one in every area whether its needed or not - if I'm low on energy and need to use SF, I swop to an Earth staff for extra energy, and can then wand stuffs if I want more damage. Andy 15:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Always keep my zealous scythe and daggers on me also. Even if I don't need the energy the extra 30 damage (3x10) does help a little I guess. --Sam6555 15:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

variants

i think all the variant builds need their own section, rather than in subsections. its pretty clogged up and would be nice to see it a little neater. this article is massive :O--Relyk 06:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

MORE ECTOZZZ?

Which of the runs nets an average of more ectos. I've been switching between plains,pools and pits and never seem to get enough feedback to say that one is more profitable. I think pits dont have as much ecto drop chances as the plains/pools, but I certainly cannot decide which one of the latter is more profitable. Greed FTW. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.235.194.51 (talk • contribs) .

I believe you get most ectozzzzzzzzzzzzzz from the plains run, I am not sure though ;o Brandnew 11:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Plains or wastes I guess, dunno. Andy 13:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Plains, because when you're done you can go farm mindblades for fun. -- Star talk  14:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Definitely plains, but only because 90% of pools pugs are epic fail. Most of the time I can finish two riders+spawns before pools is ready for 4H. Life 02:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

on pits i get a nice amoth of ecto, mostly 2 or 3 from dropsRiktw 12:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

IT doesnt matter what area u do. iv done over 1000 runs. i run everything..... its all Chance....Xx Silents Death Xx

RoJ Vale Variant - Demonstration link?

I was just having a look at the RoJ Vale Variant toward the bottom of the page. The first bullet point under "Usage" says "Excellent Demonstration with the RoJ Monk" but the link doesn't seem to go anywhere. Is anyone else having this problem?--90.193.106.87 16:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I am too... 70.152.219.17 23:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Can someone remove the meta tag?

This build isnt meta, this is just a good build for uw clearing just as any other build. I request that the meta tag be removed due to the fact taht nnoone can explain why this build is considered meta. (compare this build to 600/smite or 55/ss or any other random uw group)

it is meta because everone alot of people runs it in UW mister anonimious. Fox007 12:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

are you insane ? not everyone use this to farm uw .. I use 600/smite alot and 55/ss aswell as a normal group, this statement of yours should be removed Fox007.

Don't forget to sign....they aren't saying this is the only build that works...just the best....hence META. 12:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy mister Anon. Fox007 13:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

yes thank you.. "Anon delivers"

Its not the best. It's a guide for people new to the most commonly used uw farm build.

Anon is awful. Gtfo. Life 15:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks life. Forgetting to sign wins. Andy 15:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm confused. That comment was directed at the original anon btw. Dunno If it was you. Life 15:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

This is the best, fastest build to clear UW on HM, used by the greatest number of successful groups. It is clearly meta. 68.51.95.206 04:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It's actually not the fastest. Life 05:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

What is the fastest? 600? 10:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Never, unless u run 4 x 600 teams, and even then, it wouldn't be faster... The UWSC Sin team is designed to do all the quests at the same time, thus finishing in the fastest possible time... I too, Life, would like to know what's fastest...Anwyn 11:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Same concept, slightly different builds and technique for vale & chamber are the only differences as far as I know. The builds here are aimed more at safety than speed, as the people looking for them here will be completely new to UW. Andy 15:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Well isn't that what the "Variants" section is for? 15:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

As Andy said, different vale and chamber, as well as Eles in place of sins and a Mesmer in pits. ONI summoning stones in vale too. Life 17:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Every time I go to ToA, 70% of the people there are looking for more people who can run THIS build or a build very similar to it. The other 30% are either looking for a farming partner for duo farming, setting up an FoW run, or are trying to sell/buy stuff. In my very humble opinion, this is meta. If you don't like that, cry moar Q.Q Skie M 17:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

@Life I know what you are saying but can't we just list that under vairants like "RoJ Vale Variant"? tbh the others are critical to the run. 18:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Nah, those variants shouldn't be listed, as they are purely for a speed run. In a pug, the chance of failing means you're going to waste a lot of money on personal cons. Perhaps a note at the top/bottom. @Skie, we are well past that topic. Life 18:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, the elite meta builds are not consistent then. At least Urgoz and Deep are builds for extremely speedy runs that aren't really pug friendly - but I have seen pugs in Urgoz use consist inferior builds (grasping earth on sin, succor on bonder etc). UW seems the opposite, and FoW and DoA are sitting on the fence. Athrun Feya 22:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

UW is much easier than Urgoz, Deep and is done more by pugs. The reason these builds are "pug friendly" is because they are lol easy. The variants that Life is talking about are just for record runs,and are only used by Guild groups, pugs dont use them because they would fail and also because pugs cant get a record anyways. Fawx 06:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree, I think its easier for someone clueless to pug Urgoz than UW. UW is done by more pugs because its shorter and has better reward. My point was that some other elite area builds could be, but are not currently, loleasy pug-proof (deep and urgoz specifically). Do we want the optimum builds for elites on PvX or something that is safest for PuGs? Athrun Feya 15:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the PuG-safe builds should be on here, maybe with a mention somewhere of the record-holding build (a subpage maybe?) since we are supposed to document builds. The PvE GW elites probably don't use PvXwiki as a reference. Toraen talk 22:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe something like the DoA cryway build? Have the slow build at the top, and the speed/record holding at the bottom? Life 22:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree, UWSC fails often enough with pugs - if you get them trying to run harder builds with higher fail rate, the average pug run will get even worse. If your good enough, you will be recognised and invited to better runs by people who already know the faster tactics. Andy 23:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Both the safer and speedier builds will be available, and we're not trying to get pugs to run harder builds. PvXwiki really should document the fastest builds somewhere. At the bottom of the page might not be the best idea though; these articles are already kinda long and people are easily confused. Toraen talk 23:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

(EC)I didnt mean have them run eles or anything. Just have a safer, albeit slower, build on top, and a faster build for people that know what theyre doing. Life 23:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Lolz, that won't do anything. The PUG's will then start to ask for the better, faster build, and even more runs will fail. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 09:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

change it to the fastest build imo. that way pugs are forced to improve in skill and capability.

It also means people would have to bring personal cons, which most people cbf to do in a pug because, well, it's fucking retarded to do so because it's a pug. ··· Danny Does Drugs 14:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, the higher fail rates mean longer runs when countering in fails. So for PUGs the easier builds will often be the fastest. Not trying to say that logic holds much water in any other situations, and yeah the fastest build should probably be up, but put them together; this build isn't meta because it's the fastest or the best, just because its permeated into PUG play. --86.20.30.182 11:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Typo

Ctrl+F Grapsing 75.42.238.253 04:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed Tjubutsi 14:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Vale Necro

Shouldn't the extra points be put towards blood magic to make awaken the blood last a bit longer? k thx bye. 69.113.47.166 01:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think many people use AtB anyway when they play N/Rt, I for one don't use it. --Sam6555 14:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Mainbar "BUH!" imo. Things die in about 10 seconds anyway, and makes SS hit almost 50. Andy 23:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The only things you really "need" are SS, spirit, AR, splinter weapon and FomF. Everything else is optional. --75.95.209.103 21:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Better mountains walkthru plz

On mnt theres sometimes a really crappy spawn where theres 5 or 6 behemoths on top of each other... how do you kill em like this?Generalmurgahn 03:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Learn the pattern of healing springs, and switch targets accordingly. 6 stack is mounts hell though. Usually you'll break through eventually. Life 03:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

people say this all the time: learn the pattern. What specifically IS the pattern though? thanksGeneralmurgahn 21:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the spawn. There's a pattern in which they use it so theres always one going. If you watch and switch targets correctly, they should rarely get a healing spring off. Life 23:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Mesmer chamber

Is it possible? Considering the use of essence I'd think it would be maintainable at 12. Or do I need candy? -- Karasu (talk) 14:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You need corn+egg to maintain. Life 16:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

MONEY??

how much? Wuhy 23:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

How much do you make per run? Depends on ecto drops. If every run is successful, then you get 1 ecto a run. -- lyssan 00:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd be more curious about the golds from endchest... i checked it on wiki and only eblade worths something... - Wuhy 23:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Only eblades and compasses really. You generally hope for a double ecto at chest. Life 23:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

uhh...

There is a line, during the description of the mountains 'sin, that says "use your aggro to kill them." huh? Is your aggro-bubble somehow deadlier than mine? Cause thats no fair. I keep having to use skills to kill stuff.

Sliver Armor uses agro to kill...Life 16:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Air of Superiority

Sucks penis. Take Strength Of Honor, +28dmg a hit is good.--67.240.81.210 21:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

CoP nerf

yeah, i say replace CoP with light of deldrimor for chamber sin. First of all, CoP is needed for ranged killing the terrorwebs. Second of all CoP actually does MORE damage for a single person using it now.--Xutar 20:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

explain how it does more damage that makes no sense... unless your talking about degen....66.58.179.251 22:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Degen damage exceeds original damage. Life 22:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

But degen is already maxed out from EN & Rad field. Still outdamages due to LOD's big recharge. Andy 00:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

With LOD variant my time was 2 mins worse from 15 to 17 mins, but i have a low dvelver rank though.konserv 09:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

and what about the RoJ monk as RoJ scatters now?

Rit with painful bond or SS nec. (edit) wtf, if pulled right mobs won't scatter even if hit by AoE, RoJ stays. --Anonimous. D: 16:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Vale Rit

<pvxbig> [build prof=Rt/Mo Channeling=12+1+3+1][signet of spirits][painful bond][summon spirits][by ural's hammer][splinter weapon][ancestor's rage][spirit rift][rebirth][/build] </pvxbig>

Anon goes theorycraft. --Anonimous. D: 11:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawt splinter is hawt, but not enough aoe damage to kill aatxe and graspings (quickly/effectively) before the quests. Andy 12:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Thoguh PB deals aoe damage, it doesn't so this doesn't really work as I wanted it to. :P --Anonimous. D: 13:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

PB is an aoe hex, but the damage is only done to the enemy hit by a spirit. Andy 15:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

it's not an aoe hex either. Sir Nothing 00:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Pits

I added the A/N variant to the pits section. Urafailure91 21:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Plains doing 4 Horseman solo

Plains Sin: " (...) You job is mostly utility, and you won't be able to do The Four Horsemen quest alone. " This is not a 100% true. I got a plains sin who did 4H all by himself. Unfortunately I wasn't in plains to see how he did it but i'll try to get some more info on this. --Johnny rodrigues 23:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)