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==Note on the HB Variant==
 
==Note on the HB Variant==
 
It's been proven that killing them all at the same time doesn't decrease your drops, hasn't it?
 
It's been proven that killing them all at the same time doesn't decrease your drops, hasn't it?
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:Read the posts above you mr. no siggy (yes people see a link) --[[User:24.47.41.80|24.47.41.80]] 10:49, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

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I've been playing with this build for a bit now and it seems to me that there is no need for Bonetti's. As long as you precast your Visage's, you never *need* it. So, while its nice to have if you mess something up, experienced build users could ditch it for another skill. I've been replacing it with Dismember which helps on smaller groups and to finish off the last of groups (ex. if you don't get all the graspings in one pull). Really, any skill you want could replace Bonetti's.

can somone teach me how to upload photos, i wanna show the true awsomeness of this build.--AESTHETIC

On the bottom left of wiki pages, there's a link to Upload File. That page is pretty self-explanatory. --Mafaraxas sig Mafaraxas 00:30, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Show me a video where you cleared the graspings and every single group of smites in 9 minutes, and I will give you a thousand dollars. That is impossible, especially for using a melee based build.Matti Nuke 00:28, 18 February 2008 (EST)

This build is much faster. It instantly kills every group. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 00:44, 18 February 2008 (EST)

9 minutes Matti you can pm me when you get the money,and teh uber show me something like this one the other build.--AESTHETIC

oh and no 30second downtime + being able to take all grasps at once=win.--AESTHETIC
Alright, it's faster than I originally thought, but, that didn't clear every single group of smites. How does it deal with Coldfires?
Matti, this build CAN do smite crawlers in 9 minutes because you only fight 3 groups of smites (each group consist of more than 10 smite crawlers). 9 minutes is very hard to get due to bad spawns sometimes. Though it is possible to do it in 9 minutes. Arthas 01:31, 18 February 2008 (EST)
Done it in 8 minutes acctually. --Arthas 12:00, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Look at the variants. - (ză'hîr ăl nĕphīlī)Paragon-icon-small[snō hwīt tăn] 01:32, 18 February 2008 (EST)

didn't notice that, that build is bad this is good.--AESTHETIC
Eh, that build should probably WELL'd when this one gets vetted. --Mafaraxas sig Mafaraxas 02:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

What program did you use to record the video? Looks like a nice build I'll try it out. Natsopaani 01:53, 18 February 2008 (EST)

vampiric weapon = win here?

Watch the video, Zealous is pretty much needed. Rickyvantof 07:40, 18 February 2008 (EST)
Vampiric with channeling is a better combo than zealous with lion's comfortGrynn Jorr 14:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

What with all the italics? ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡* 09:33, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I don't know. Wiki links would've been more useful. Rickyvantof 09:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Stalking Aatxe

When i try this build and i aggro the left group (any of both) AN AATXE ALWAYS FOLLOWS ME and no matter how far i ran(i mean where the soul-like npcs are), It never let me alone and i always get killed by the same aatxe. i have lost like 15k by that aaxte... Ive tryed other UW farming builds and ive never seen this before, does someone knows how to prevent this? --Kenno Arkkan 20:54, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Did you use sprint when aggroing?Riff 03:51, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

yep, i do, and i still get caught by him--Kenno Arkkan 16:49, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Do you hit R, sprint, aggro grasp, X then stop at far side?Riff 17:37, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

em, i start, take the quest (with sprint on) wait for the right grasp group, aggro them, then run to the left team, whichever is nearer, OR i take quest (with sprint) and aggro left first, the result is the same, i get caught by that aaxte.--Kenno Arkkan 18:07, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Whats ur IGN?Riff 20:09, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

its Lively Motion, or Zanbonbaso Famsa, this last one is my warrior, anyways ill keep trying :( of like 7 tries, i only got one to pass from the graspings thanks to that aatxe... look, i sometimes get this kind of "save spot" and kill the graspings there to then continue running, but its very hard to happen and uses like 4 or 5 minutes just for that part, so it sucks [1] --Kenno Arkkan 19:05, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

try pulling the grasps past the circle in the middle.

Dying Nightmares

I've used this build many times but i find that every time a dying nightmare pops up, it strips my visages and i end up dead. When i'm trying to kill the graspings usually a nighmare pops up and kills me or the aataxes keep following me... it's very frustrating.

Did you try popping them before taking the quest? I had the same problem with UW builds that rely on enchants.Riff 23:54, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Healing?

I don't farm smites much, but how in your video do you not really get hurt? Your 75% block ends when you use a skill, and looks like it is only a form on e-management, not protection. Justing6 15:30, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Getting 0 damage / hit > healing, imo. You can get it by PR + -2/stanced shield + ascalon/knight's equipment(full of that is a must). You get like 1 damage once every 50 hits, but they'll be dead generally before you even get below 50%(or you suck and attack trough SoJ, or can't keep up AV/SV). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 15:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)
I'm getting 0 OR 3, not 1. And I have stance shield, warding axe (enchanting is not needed, you have a 2-3 seconds room to renew enchantments) knight's full equipment and superior rune of absortion (yeah, no -2/-2 uber shield) and its easy to take 3-4 groups without getting a half of the red bar down --Rayd 12:05, 22 February 2008 (EST)

excellent build,few Q's though

well tested this and i gotta say it works excellent,havent hit 9 min yet but i got a 10 min run :P, just was wondering a few things,like how u pull all the graspings at the beginning in one shot?(ive tried,but usually an ataxes wont break aggro)how to take only 1 dmg a hit every 50 hits like u said?(i take 3 dmg hits every 10 hits,with all equipment)and the drop rate? as sometimes ive killed mobs of 20 smites in one and got 100gp only :/, while other times i killed 3 smites and each drops an ecto XD.otherwise like i said,kick ass build,nice job man.

for grasps pull the group on the left(closest to ice wastes) wait for your IMS to recharge and you can pull both groups on the right with good timing, the person in the video has a -2/-2 shield, that has alot to do with it.--AESTHETIC
I pull the group on the right first, about 8 seconds after they come up near the steps... turn, hit sprint, go up the left steps (along one edge) just as the other two groups are joining up there... U-turn with aggro, go down the other edge of stairs, circle the platform once to break aatxe aggro, and kill them all.Grynn Jorr 14:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

where do you get a -2/-2 shield?

Beta testing, they don't drop anymore and are pretty pricy.--AESTHETIC

Sword/Axe

Pole time; tell which is more effective at ecto dropping (not quickness)

Axe

Sword

Other

It's not a matter of opinion; either there is a difference between the two or there isn't. Current understanding of GW would say that using a sword is better because of a greater variability in time of death. --Mafaraxas sig Mafaraxas 23:24, 20 February 2008 (EST)

 :O you hax the poles.--AESTHETIC

nice build. can it farm [[2]]? The Assassin Of Fuz 10:31, 23 February 2008 (EST)

IDK,im too lazy to find out ATM, its an ugly skin anyways :(.--AESTHETIC
True, but the stats are rather good. --Arthas 04:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Can someone add a video for the variant? I wanna know how it works. The Assassin Of Fuz 20:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)

i think that you should wand it ¤User Abadabadoo sig Abadabadoo¤ 20:44, 3 March 2008 (EST)

NOO=(

aw crap this build got on pvxwiki=( ITS SUPER GOOD!! ive been using it for a while but now that its on pvx it will become so popular that anet will nerf it. hope that they dont=)

a-net only nerfs stuff for HA/GvG.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
Spirit Bond nerf. Yeah, it was a long time ago, but w/e. --Mafaraxas sig Mafaraxas 01:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Spirit Bond made all other farming builds redundant so needed a nerf. This doesn't do that so doesn't need a nerf. Klumpeetsignature Klumpeet.talk.cont. 12:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Spirit bond is used excessively in pvp as a spike catcher but yeah they were probably aiming to stop excessive farmers.ExtremeSigPic Extreme(contribs) 16:33, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
Sup adding nightmare to uw nerf ¤User Abadabadoo sig Abadabadoo¤ 19:15, 3 March 2008 (EST)

This is gonna get a big hit from the nerf hammer. Really fast. Ojamo 21:23, 3 March 2008 (EST)

nah, its crap, no Mending on a war = fail, trust me. :P --SuperIgorsigIgor 11:04, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Variants

Isn't it a myth that you get fewer drops for killing them all at the same time? Klumpeetsignature Klumpeet.talk.cont. 12:17, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Experience tells us it's more than just a myth. --Mafaraxas sig Mafaraxas 14:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Agreed, whenever i use a farming build that killz them all at same time i get like no dropz, when i use a build that killz slightly slower and one at a time like a Sliver armor build there is a somewhat noticeably difference in drop rates ¤User Abadabadoo sig Abadabadoo¤ 19:56, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Not a myth. No hard facts yet, but it's definitely real. --71.229 19:58, 6 March 2008 (EST)
/Agree. I just started using this build over the VwK farmer (Very boring way to farm) and I've noticed fewer drops even when pulling only 1 or 2 mobs at a time, I think this is realRailinWoHInvertedSigPhalmatticus 21:42, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Sprint

Is sprint better now? Only 3 second downtime. The adrenaline from enraging charge isn't really needed.Matti Nuke 22:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)

sprint should be on main.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
maybe switch back to enraged charge now that Echo can keep up the IMS constantly? just for the adrenaline bonus. Quackerz0 22:48, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Practice area?

This build looks incredible, but expensive to learn in UW. Any suggestions for areas to practice it that don't cost 1k?

You could just, you know, farm easy stuff to get like some money, then go to UW. Worse comes to worse, bring this and a Rezmer hero. --GoD Sig3GuildofDeals 12:30, 8 March 2008 (EST)

It's really not hard to run, even a farm-noob like me can run it. First run I accedently ran in HM, but I still killed some Graspings. Second run was in NM, and it's the first time I've come to the Ice Wastes and saw Smite Crawlers! You just have to watch out for Coldfire patrols, they killed me while I was half done. I haven't got any Ecto's yet, but I have some nice Goldies. Sir Bertrand 09:11, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Troll Cave outside of Droks is a nice practice area. In NM anyways.

Gimicky Variant

You can use Echo to copy Whirlwind Attack for a constant AoE attack skill. Seems silly, but it makes this faster.--Fallen (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

That's a great idea. :DMatti Nuke 16:27, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Change it if its better, Triple chop is the only 1337 on my war...it was just made for smite runs.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
Its not exactly better, as you really need to pay attention when kiling the grasping's(if they interupt one of the attacks, you're gonna be angry.)It's just a slight variant for more experienced players.--Fallen (talk) 19:27, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Interrupt from graspings is only going to happen if you don't keep Visages up. Also want to point out that Echo can be used for running to smite crawlers to. just echo Spring and you got a speedboost for the entire run. --Arthas 13:48, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Well, sprint now has a 15sec recharge, and it lasts for 12 seconds here. 3 seconds of downtime is nothing, so echoing it is kinda pointless =P. It would work though if you end up using enraging charge>sprint.--Fallen (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Arcane Echo + Echo + Wirlwind Atack ftw? --SuperIgorsigIgor 15:22, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Lol, now I feel bad cuz thats what i used for weeks until i realized two of them was enough :[--Fallen (talk) 16:00, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Better

Attributes and Skills

<pvxbig> [build prof=warri/mesme axe=12+1+1 strength=9+1 illusion=9 inspiration=3][Echo][Whirlwind Attack][Lion's Comfort][Physical Resistance][Bonetti's Defense@0][Ancestor's Visage][Sympathetic Visage][Sprint][/build] </pvxbig>

Now you can tank as many smites for as long as you want without worrying about them wearing down your health bit by bit.Matti Nuke 19:15, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

a better smite build then this!:O it is,but im too lazy to fix the guide, anyone wanna?--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
I will if you want. Matti Nuke 20:43, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
cool, i might even give you your thousand dollars back.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
Deal. :DMatti Nuke 22:56, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
As I was rewriting the page, I realized that you don't have to use an axe. Any warrior melee weapon will work. Matti Nuke 23:12, 13 March 2008 (EDT)
If you want healing you are better of using a vampiric axe and switch between zealous and vamiric. Keep Cyclone and use it to charge adrenaline. Vampiric also give 3 extra damage. --Arthas 16:31, 30 March 2008 (EDT)
 :0 axes are best damage.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
Yeah, fast attack speed and high crit damage. But, if you had a sword or hammer with the same mods, and no axe, you could substitute them in.Matti Nuke 14:52, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
No hammer. Too slow, Graspings just interupt your attack skills. Sword works fine, I actually prefer it over an axe because it can usually kill them all at the same time, as opposed to the axe which deals different mounds of damage to each enemy.--Fallen (talk) 13:10, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
Greater variability is the word you're looking for ;) Agree with no hammer, though, esp. since you don't get any of the useful shield mods with a hammer. --Mafaraxas sig Mafaraxas 14:46, 16 March 2008 (EDT)


Echo Arcane Echo Mending Mending Mending Mending Mending Mending

go go go! --SuperIgorsigIgor 18:46, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Channeling?

would it be better than bonetti's? doesn't need to change stats either Riff 03:14, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

not in any way possible.--Rebirth Infidel aesthetic
you dont need it,balthazars isnt used for energy its for blocking against graspings. if you pull right you have more then enough e-management.Quackerz0 15:00, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
It actually works better with channeling assuming you pull big groups. Eliminates zealous mod, so using vampiric kills faster AND heals, therefore no need for lion's comfort. Even with smaller groups it is about the same.Grynn Jorr 14:27, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

Two Runes of Superior Absorption??

Armor : * Full Knight's Insignias. * Two Rune of Superior Absorption. * A Rune of Superior Vigor and a Rune of Vitae

This is the armor equipment listed for the bottom variant. Why two runes of superior absorption? They don't stack and its global.--158.121.88.71 13:31, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

No idea, fixed. --71.229 13:33, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

I like the new build with echo instead of triple chop. I don't die now like i used too... and i got an ecto and saphire in one group. I wanted to ask, why is axe at 13 if you don't use axe attacks? And i use dolyak's instead of lion's comfort. The Assassin Of Fuz 21:36, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Higher weapon mastery = more damage. Also, why Dolyaks? Armor doesn't stack...Matti Nuke 22:27, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

oops. forgot armor didn't stack...The Assassin Of Fuz 17:17, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Ok now.

What MORON decided to put 14 axe mastery on a build without ANY axe mastery skills? Drop it to 9 or 10, and put the rest in Strength/Tactics. No point in having Bonetti's Defense without anything in tactics. Unless you only need to use it once to get up one of the Visages. ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡* 16:59, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Dude...your axe is the main source of damage... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 17:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
You can use a sword... Your only attack is a melee attack, in fact, it's actually best to run this with a hammer.. :P ICYFIFTYFIVE 22:06, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Variants

That variant with Dolyak Signet should be removed. Its clearly inferior to the main build and even the sword build aswell. You take to much damage and got no protection against the Graspings interrupt. Also the -5/20% shield reduce less damage than a -2/stance shield would do (just do the math, -5/20% shield reduce 100 damage over 100 hits (5 x 20 = 100), while the -2/stance shield reduce 200 damage over 100 hits (= -2 on every hit = 2 x 100 = 200)). Since you can't max the amount of smite crawlers you can tank using this build, you might end up with energy problems since its a lot more energy intensive to spam 2 energy attack skills+Visages than to spam Whirlwind.

We could throw in as many working variants as we would like to do, however it would be unnecessary if they are all inferior to another build. Keep the Sword variant since all players might not have an Axe/prefer sword and vice versa. --Arthas 07:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

except that you aren't in a stance in this build, so a stance shield isn't going to help you except for the 1 second you have bonetti's up. a -2 while Enchanted might be worthwhile though, as you're going to have your visages up all the time.141.152.221.162 14:49, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Physical resistance IS a stance 85.98.133.171 12:02, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
Hundred Blades variant needs to be removed. You don't get more drops. [3]

Smites

Is there any video of the new build anywhere with the echo? I can't figure what I'm doing wrong with the smites, they kill me in seconds with PR up. I just cant get enough adrenaline started to keep the visages up.85.98.133.171 12:09, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Note on the HB Variant

It's been proven that killing them all at the same time doesn't decrease your drops, hasn't it?

Read the posts above you mr. no siggy (yes people see a link) --24.47.41.80 10:49, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
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