Archive talk:W/Rt Solo Destroyer Core

Well after posting a video of my build on Youtube, it was only a matter of time before someone posted it up here. I have made some slight changes to the instructions and attributes. Elpedro 18:31, 5 November 2007 (CET)

Thxn alot m8! I think that 12 strenght is better, coz you dont need to lengthen the defense skills, and extra health and +7 health regen is more important. So I placed the 10/8 to variants. BTW could you give me your ingame name and the name of the song in your video? Thonyonline 18:43 5 november 2007 (GMT)

The attributes are exactly what I use, need the 9 tactics for the shield to be effective. I get by fine on them. IGN = Guardian Of Rurik and the song is Here(In Your Arms) by Hellogoodbye Elpedro 21:56, 5 November 2007 (CET)

Remember that there is something called strength shields to, not only tactics shields. --Arthas 11:59, 12 November 2007 (CET)

wts — Skuld 00:05, 6 November 2007 (CET)

This has got to be the fastest vetted into great pve build ever. It only took, like, 36 hours? --- Ressmonkey (talk) 03:31, 7 November 2007 (CET)

30 hours, 48 minutes to be exact. :) --- Ressmonkey (talk) 03:33, 7 November 2007 (CET)

Is this to be used in Normal Mode or Hard Mode?69.243.158.222 17:43, 7 November 2007 (CET)

1st wave on normal mode only. It is hard to adapt VWK to high level or hard mode foes as you are limited to 29 life steal. So if anything is dealing much more than that you are screwed. Elpedro 20:27, 7 November 2007 (CET)

Another great farm place will be nerfed :( I'm sure this will happen, sooner or later. - Ershin (Talk) 23:59, 7 November 2007 (CET)

Are Sentinel Insignia's that important to this build? I just got EotN so I can't really test it out myself, just wondering, thanks. Stefans 05:10, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Pretty much so, every HP counts on this one. Remember you are tanking numerous Spirit Rifts (lightning damage) although I managed a few runs with dreadnaughts fine Elpedro 19:49, 9 November 2007 (CET)

It seems like the changes to Weapon of Warding sort of anti-nerfed this build. I'm finding it much easier to survive now, since WoW lasts up until VWK is recharged. I'm also finding that, if you put a furious mod on the +5/+30 sword, you really don't need "Shields Up!". By the time you'd cast it, Bonetti's Defense is already fully-charged. That leaves some more energy open for Endure Pain (if needed), and a space for an optional skill slot. Just an observation. (Edit: The furious mod on the sword really doesn't seem to have any effect on how fast Bonetti's Defense charges) --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 23:10, 14 November 2007 (CET)

"Shields Up!"

To me, Shields up is a really BAD choice. I would rather use Protector's Defense or Shield Stance instead of "Shields Up!". The problem with Shields up is the 10 energy cost and only 50% block (also, remember that armor skills don't stack anymore). Protector's Defense and Shield Stance cost only 5 energy and give a 75% block chance. Shield Stance also has a shorter recharge time than VwK. --Arthas 00:54, 12 November 2007 (CET)

Like in my comment above, I don't think that this skill is needed at all. Since I've gotten comfortable with this build, I've never used it. I can keep Bonetti's Defense up at all times, which is far better than "Sheilds Up!". Any thoughts on alternative skills that don't involve blocking? Tero Gein 02:36, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Wielder's Boon? Vengeful Weapon? Note that using any skill while Bonetti's Defense is active cancels the stance.--Arthas 11:54, 12 November 2007 (CET)

Shield Stance seems to be a poor alternative considering it would only last 3 seconds with this particular build. I tried the build using Protector's Defense and had similar results to the original build, although I did not notice any significant diffence. -Nytlemgr 14:44, 12 November 2007 (CET)

What about using "To the Limit!" instead of Shield Stance? That way, in case the adrenaline isn't completely charged up when VwK runs out, you can quickly use TtL to charge it back up. You probably wouldn't need it all the time, but it would help when one side of destroyers starts attacking you well before the other does. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 14:35, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Nah.. I'm thinking of Great Dwarf Armor, the question is wether or not any of the destroyer uses enchanment removal... EDIT: ...and they did :/ --Arthas 22:04, 12 November 2007 (CET)

I've been using TtL in this build, and it does help if, for some reason, Bonetti's Defense isn't fully charged when you need to cast it. That doesn't happen very often, but at least it's better than "Sheilds Up!", which just sat there. I really can't think of anything else that would be useful in this slot, since the destroyers use enchantment removal skills. (as Arthas pointed out) --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 06:52, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Protector's Defense

OK, we've established that Protector's Defense is a much better choice than "Shields Up!", but I still don't get the point of having any extra blocking skills on this build. I guess I'm still waiting for an explanation of why Protector's Defense is needed when Bonetti's Defense works just fine throughout the entire run without using any energy. Why not use something like Lion's Comfort instead to try and counter Lamentation/Spirit Rift spikes when Endure Pain isn't enough? --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 17:27, 17 November 2007 (CET)

Protector's Defense is for the first round, or whenever Bonetti's is not charged when you drop VWK, considering you need the 75% block to survive almost always. This is just what I've found through using this build hundreds of times. Freaking 17:45, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Wand

Just tried doing a run with the Wayward Wand (restoration) from factions endgame instead of a totem axe (mainly to try reduce recharge time of VwK by 50%). This totally screwed the run since it caused some of the destroyers to use Chaos Storm on me. It drained my energy and eventually killed me, so i recommend a note about not using any Staff/Wand during this run. Since its not my build i don't want to write the note unless the author thinks its important. --Arthas 12:12, 12 November 2007 (CET)

I don't think I have any authority over what people add, change or remove from my build. Equipment does state use of a specific shield and axe, so if they want to use a staff and not follow the instructions, that is their choice. I believe we shouldn't "spoon" feed though. Elpedro 19:10, 12 November 2007 (CET)

ARGH

WHO CHANCED MY BUILD AND PLACED THE COUNTER ON IT!!#$%&"$%&_?!#$&!#$%& thats not ok to do, since its my build (and elpedro, so if you did it, no problem =P)!!! GSUS PLZ GUYS THIS IS NOT NICE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thonyonline (contribs) .

Calm the fuck down. –Ichigo724 18:08, 13 November 2007 (CET)

And don't remove comments. –Ichigo724 19:00, 13 November 2007 (CET)

It is not *your* build. It is our build. - Rawrawr 19:21, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Counters are NEEDED in farm builds. Lamentation spike has killed me loads of times, even when VwK is active. If u are new to the build and just enter without knowing about Lamentation and Spirit Rift, u are bound to get slaughtered if u are not ready for it. I placed conuters in the build and I still stand for it. EDIT: I know i don't like to be killed in an instant by something i'm not aware of. Yes, it is an obvious counter, once u have done 5 runs or so.--Arthas 22:53, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Heh, it wasn't me who added it. I don't find it a problem because you should be able to use Endure Pain if you are low on health. I personally haven't been killed by lamentation since I was testing the build, closest I came I just Endure Pain. May be you are really unlucky dude, but I'm not disputing adding it to the page. I love this hypothetical use of it being "our" build. I understand all wiki users are able to look, edit, rate, change etc but at the end of the day I tested and put those 8 skills into the bar and decided to show it on youtube =p Elpedro 19:26, 14 November 2007 (CET)

Ok srry, just thinking that some1 was trying to change the whole build srry realy srry Thonyonline 19:36 14 november 2007 (GMT)

But this is not nice because Arthas is chancing elpedro's build with it skills, and that not realy right, since i placed it here, and so im the only one wo can change skills Thonyonline 19:02 15 november 2007 (GMT)

I added a relevant variant lol. There is no drawback in using Protector's Defense instead of Shields Up!. I won't change any skills in the acctual build. We have discussed wether or not Shields Up! is a good choice for this build and it seems the answer is no. You can't argue with Protector's Defense being a better choice compared to Shields Up!. --Arthas 19:19, 15 November 2007 (CET)

I always try to make builds as effective as possible, and as the build looks right now, its not as effective as it COULD be. I would use Shields Up! if armor skills stacked but THEY DON'T anymore (Thanks ANet, you ruined most builds). I won't change the acctuall build (as it has been vetted) but I will add variants if they are relevant and works better than the original. --Arthas 19:31, 15 November 2007 (CET)

I don't get the point of having two skills that do almost same thing, one of which uses up precious energy that should be saved for Endure Pain when needed. Why not just use Bonetti's Defense from the start, save the 5 energy, and use something else? I've used either "To the Limit!" or Lion's Comfort in that slot with a lot of success, neither of which use any energy. Personally, I like Lion's Comfort more, since it provides a health boost in cases where WoW and Endure Pain aren't enough. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 05:32, 16 November 2007 (CET)

Shields up gives +24 armor which is very important ..... so its not a good variant.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thonyonline (talk • contribs) .

"Shields Up!" does nothing except give the character a 50% chance to block projectile attacks. Since Dolyak Signet is active by the time "Shields Up!" would be used, the armor bonus from "Shields Up!" doesn't stack. That's why I don't see the point in having it in the build. Bonetti's Defense is perfectly adequate, with no energy cost. Also, sign your comments. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 21:16, 16 November 2007 (CET)

But this is not nice because Arthas is chancing elpedro's build with it skills, and that not realy right, since i placed it here, and so im the only one wo can change skills Once you submit a build to the wiki it is no longer YOUR build, it is now the wikis build. If you failed to read the terms and conditions etc then thats your problem not anyone elses. All contributions to PvXwiki are considered to be released under the a CC NC-SA 2.5 License. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. Unreal Havoc 21:30, 16 November 2007 (CET)

THANK YOU! Now I didn't have to say it :) --Arthas 21:55, 16 November 2007 (CET)

In any case, soldier's defense or protector's defense > shields up srsly. Edwina Elbert*t*c* 22:17, 16 November 2007 (CET)

Also put bk the notes bout lamentation+shields up variants pls refrain from removing them again+fixed page a bit kthnxnps Edwina Elbert*t*c* 22:25, 16 November 2007 (CET)

Okey, il replace shields up with protectors defense, you where right, i was nooblis... srry about that. but lamentation spike?? never died because of that, so thats not realy a good counter, since i cant realy see why its deadly. But thnx alot for the protectors defense and forgive me being so noob =P Thonyonline 9:00 16 november 2007 (GMT)

Why do u refuse to admit that lamentation+spirit rift can kill u ? Edwina Elbert*t*c* 11:13, 17 November 2007 (CET)

Because if you just use the skills as said so, u wont get killed by anything in the first wave Thonyonline 12:13 16 november 2007 (GMT)

o rly? Edwina Elbert*t*c* 13:50, 17 November 2007 (CET)

I must be really unlucky who dies from lamentation even though i'm using Endure pain. --Arthas 16:08, 17 November 2007 (CET)

Heh, no kidding. Apparently Thonyonline is the only person who uses this build and never dies. Seriously, anything more than 10x Lamentation and 15x or so Spirit Rift will cause over 1,000 damage, and that happens all the time. Accept it! --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 17:18, 17 November 2007 (CET)

What if you do this with a QZ ranger hero to? constant QZ could let u keep VwK up all the time. --Arthas 15:36, 17 November 2007 (CET)

I've actually done that a few times trying to figure out if a variant of this build would work in hard mode. I farmed in normal mode to get the hang of it, but I noticed a substantial decrease in core drops when using a hero. Since QZ isn't really needed to survive most runs, I wouldn't recommend it. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 17:21, 17 November 2007 (CET)

RT

can it be doe with RT

No because Wars need the str attribute for many of theese skills, witch is not availbe to rits69.47.168.130 03:16, 20 November 2007 (CET)

Not to mention the fact that 800+ health is required for this build (not including Endure Pain), which is unattainable for a Ritualist primary. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 09:07, 21 November 2007 (CET)

Lightning Damage

I think the piercing damage shield is useless because with bonnetis the arrows do nothing. I was wondering is some1 who has a +10 against lightning shield could test how it works as i do not have a lightning shield. TY. Hoax 22:28, 24 November 2007 (CET)

I'm running a -5/20% and a knight's headgear, it doesn't really matter that much I think. When I die it's always due to 10* lamentation. –Ichigo724 03:55, 25 November 2007 (CET)

My shield is simply a -5/20 and hp+30 and there are times where I die and times I don't when I don't change anything... Maybe it is simply the chance of the run but I don't see how +10 armor for lightning would do all that much or piercing damage really when half of the time you aren't even getting hit by projectiles Joshgt2 (Talk) 23:45, 9 December 2007 (CET)

There's also the fact that, sometimes, you don't have enough adrenaline to use Bonnetti's Defense before VwK runs out. This is where the piercing damage reduction comes in handy. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 00:17, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Unclaimed Items

Is there something that I am missing? Everytime I die, I do not have the unclaimed items window so I can gather the items that dropped. Staples 22:06, 3 December 2007 (CET)

I'm not having that problem at all... Maybe it is due to the fact that no items are dropping for you Joshgt2 (Talk) 01:53, 5 December 2007 (CET)

Sooo...I'm a noob...and somehow my window migrated its way off of my screen. Damn, I bet I could have gotten all my cores by now... Staples 02:16, 5 December 2007 (CET)

What Am I Doing Wrong?

I have been following this build skill by skill but I don't see how anyone does this. I have watched the video that was lastly added that shows this build in use with the skills on the build page and I can't seem to get this to work. The furthest I get is about 5 seconds before I can cast my second VwK before I die but even if I put endure pain on the next round will kill me for sure. Is there something that I'm missing in this because I don't see why I take sooo much more damage than anyone else is, such as the guy in the video, who doesn't even touch endure pain.... Joshgt2 (Talk) 21:26, 12 December 2007 (CET)

Make sure you use bonetti's after wowarding. –Ichigo724 08:55, 14 December 2007 (CET)

Ok, going to have to try that... I can tell you right now that I use Bonetti's followed by Weapon of Warding most/if not all of the time. Going to try this and report what happens Joshgt2 (Talk) 04:30, 18 December 2007 (CET)

Did they buff the first wave of destroyers?

I have been using this build for a month with relative ease. Today, I log on and have consistently been getting lamentation spiked 7-8 times in a row. That is no exaggeration. I go from about 400-0 health in a matter of 1-2 seconds. This has *NEVER* happened before. This usually happens after the second or third time VwK is down and "I Will Avenge You" ends. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.108.92.136 (talk • contribs) .

Is anyone else experiencing this? I'm wondering if they did a silent buff increase to the rate lamentation occurs with the first wave destroyers. I haven't had this problem until today. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.108.92.136 (talk • contribs) .

Also, spirit rifts seem to be happening a lot more. Been averaging 130-160 every run. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.108.92.136 (talk • contribs) .

First of all, please sign your comments using the four tildes (~~~~), it makes some of the peoples jobs here a bit easier. Second of all, I havn't seen any big change in anything quite yet. Maybe your just getting bad spawns or something Joshgt2 (Talk) 01:42, 19 December 2007 (CET)

Wait a minute, you're saying that you go from 400 health to 0? Are you sure you're using Signet of Stamina before entering the battle? If you're following the build correctly, your health should be at least 800 after using SoS... --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 00:21, 25 January 2008 (EST)

For some reason i did they did, the first wave is always killing me now, they never use to. Ssj2TrunksB 19:00, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Just tried once, no problem at all. And I'm using a knight's headgear, totem axe, major axe rune and -5/20 shield. –Ichigo724 19:17, 19 December 2007 (EST)

variant.

is it possible to use great dwarf armor instead of doylak signet for more armor and extra health? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Simpson man (talk • contribs) .

Don't know if this will work but going to try this out... Joshgt2 (Talk) 17:23, 24 December 2007 (EST)

Great Dwarf Armor will NOT work. They strip enchantment during the run or it would be really good for this... Joshgt2 (Talk) 12:49, 25 December 2007 (EST)

Phailing to kill the first wave.

I've got the exact required armor and Geoffer shield and i still die...i watched the damn video about 5 times now and im doing the exact same thing...too many destroyer souls...maybe a nerf or something? On 5 runs i phailed 4 of em.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.83.195.29 (contribs) .

Make sure you use bonetti's after wowarding. –Ichigo724 21:33, 25 December 2007 (EST)

I think anet nerf this build run, I wasn't having any problem clearing the first wave of destroyer but this morning I can hardly clear the first wave and the destroyer kill me before the skill recharge. -- 1/15/08 4:59PM

I'm having no problems at all. Out of the 30 or so runs that I did today, I only died twice. Sometimes I will get a few in a row where I die, but it definitely hasn't been nerfed. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 00:23, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Can this be adapted to solo the UW?

Can it be adapted to so solo smites, grasping darkness's etc? Za kyoukan 08:38, 28 December 2007 (EST)

like this? –Ichigo724 13:42, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks. Za kyoukan 07:47, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Bonettis?

Bonetis only give energy from mele attacks.. how does this help with E management? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.109.77.113 (contribs) .

By not costing any energy, as opposed to other defensive stances. –Ichigo724 14:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

The point of Bonnetti's Defense is to help take some of the piercing damage from the arrows away while VwK is recharging. Otherwise, you'll have to deal with Spirit Rift/Lamentation spikes as well as all of the normal arrow damage. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 00:25, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Air of supiriority

I tried it with this skill a few times instead of Shields Up, and replaced Dolyaks signet with Diciplined stance. If you have asuran skill of 6+ it can be really usefull, especially becouse it can recharge VwK so it is possible to keep it up almost every time. Becouse you have no speed buff ( Dolyaks ), you can also dodge Spirit Rift, Reducing the damage by A LOT.

Air of supiriority is a skill, so i cannot be stripped. It can also give a nice energy en healt boost.145.53.17.186 19:31, 5 January 2008 (EST)

I dont understand the point of Protector's Defence after Watch Yourself had got a buff, coz rly in this farm you always move to dodge Spirit Rifts and Arrows sp what is the point of having a shout that ends when u move then? Besides, is u dont move, u die before even casting VWK for the second time. --Igor 18:37, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Lol. No you don't. –Ichigo724 18:47, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Haha, did you watch the YouTube video? The whole reason why this build is so good is because you don't have to move at all. For the vast majority of the runs, you can take all the damage that the Destroyers can dish out with SR & Lamentation, and you won't die. --Tero Gein (talk_pvxcontribs) 00:27, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Baby dragon dies

The baby draggon always dies before I get more than 1 or 2 drops. I stand right were the picture tells me to. Area nerfed with modified AI?12.106.19.217 05:27, 6 February 2008 (EST)Gess42212.106.19.217 05:27, 6 February 2008 (EST)