bash me pl0x /FrosTalk\ 06:56, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Evis + Shock, imo. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 06:57, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Swords >>>> Axes on coward. The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 06:58, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Why is that, anyway? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 06:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Because swords have better non-elite deep wound in the form of Gash. ¬ Klumpeet 11:00{GMT}21-06-MMVIII
Which needs sever artery to actually work. /FrosTalk\ 07:00, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
And steelfang slash fucking ownz. The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 07:03, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
NERFED! ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 07:14, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Not for this bar; really. It just prevented to be used in a backbreaker chain. Now you can still use steelfang sword to pump up your other adr skills, tbh. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 11:25, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Coward AND bull's strike, owow <3 I already love this build. Brandnew. 07:13, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Imo, coward + bulls is redundant. I might do what the other build did and bring FGJ instead of bulls. --- Monk-icon-Ressmonkey Ressmonkey (talk) 08:46, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Shock. -StarSeeker | My talk 09:32, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Nowai. You're not taking shock when you still can take b-strike. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 11:25, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
^ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 11:26, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
why take bull's? coward is like an elite bull's that actually works. steelfang = recharge coward neway. (Kiron 11:51, 21 June 2008 (EDT))
Steelfang = nerfed, why take Bull's and Coward? just because you can. /FrosTalk\ 11:54, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Bull's doesn't require adrenaline, doesn't cause exhaustion and it's Bull's Strike. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 12:03, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
And I do believe Bull's are brave, meaning it is a Bull versus a Coward. /FrosTalk\ 12:07, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Anyone that's used to Bull's should take it. Shock is a bad idea, and 2 sources of KD is fun.--Fallen (talk) 12:22, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Shock isnt a bad idea, theres no room--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 16:04, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
I meant Bulls + Coward + Shock, actually 8D -StarSeeker | My talk 17:40, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
No room tbh /FrosTalk\ 17:50, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Could take out Agonizing. Would be ultimate harrassment. -StarSeeker | My talk 20:57, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Would it be worth it?/FrosTalk\ 21:08, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
As a professional axeinyoface'r, I must say this looks good on paper. But I agree, drop Agonizing for FGJ. moar kd pls. Big~PEW~tymer 22:01, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Don't know, probably not. But at least it's something different, might get vetted. Other idea and stuff. -StarSeeker | My talk 05:42, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
I personally wouldn't run coward after steelfang nerf, that said never use rush and coward. Also executioners is better.I Heal If U Shutup 13:01, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
Comment ignored. Less crap talk plzzz. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 04:53, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
^--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 19:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

why sword > axe for coward

TBH it just looks like you can charge coward faster with sun and moon. The deepwound + bleed is better than the deepwound found here, its just kind of inferior to it. Shock Axe>this.--UnderImage- (PvP)Gunned 13:03, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Shock axe kindof owns everything, so thats a lousy argument. Yes, it even owns anti-melee. Brandnew. 13:06, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
If people were to say Shock Axe is better than this to almost every warrior build around, we woul;d have about 8 at the most for PvP... /FrosTalk\ 13:07, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
Any more the eviscerate executioners strike spike dont work that much but its fairly effective. Very weak against :::any type of anti-melee and shock is a costly interrupt skill. Art de rue 02:17, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
good thing this doesn't use eviscerate or your comment might actually be funny and relevant... OmNomNomNom sigOɱɳoɱɳoɱɳoɱ(nom)(nom) 02:23, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
Axes suck without eviscerate in general. Swords don't need a elite(sever+gash+f-thrust/SaMS). That's why coward @ sword > axe, cos dismember ain't that gud. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 04:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
Without eviscerate axes lose their incredible spiking power. minispiking with dismember>bb is good and all but swords (like everyone has already said) excel at lacking an elite, whereas axes just dont.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:25, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
criplash owns evisc imo .. moar fun ;o .. i never rly played shock axe much( cuz spamming shock is something i cannot stop myself from doing ) CloseCloseImpactSWImpactToo Muh Bruh 06:13, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
Stop making bad comments. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
Shock Axe chain can be stopped with shield bash. The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) 11:38, June 26, 2008 (CDT).
^Heeeeerrrrrrp Deeeerrrrrrrp.-- 20:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
year too late ip--Relyk 22:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


Where?-- 04:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Like...everywhere. LifeWikiLOD7 04:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice lie.-- 04:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
^olol~WaffleZWafflesigLOL(contribs) 07:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I use this a lot as one of my war options.--Ikimono"My beard is thick."Monk-Paragon-icon 08:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Mosty HA meta. --Frosty Mc Admin 11:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Mostly all-of-pvp meta. -- 00:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Not seeing it in GvG. HA builds are all gimmicks if there is a war its hammer. Whirling Axe/Eviscerate are all I am seeing for Axe bars. Hero Battles lol. And TA builds use Whirling or gimmicks. Also, I use echo mending but that doesn't make it meta.-- 00:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
No, it's really HA meta... --Frosty Mc Admin 00:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's an HB/RA/HA bar mostly. Dunno about meta. Definitely used though--Goldenstar 00:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

soooo if you cant use bull strike simply dont play warrior, ty--Daniellange 14:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah because bulls is the same as coward in tombs where you can keep 1 guy in a full duration of 3 heats on a row. Oh, wait. Reunion 15:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Coward's like Bull's on steroids. --Frosty Mc Admin 15:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
It's also retardedly good in HB, where you can keep anything on it's ass pretty much the entire match if you're so inclined. Brining WoF over Preservation only exacerbates this. ;o ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Coward's actually quite nice for knocklocking into aoe, anti-kiting, defensive and offensive play. I use this a good bit. --BlazingBurdy 18:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
BB. ACting like extra cool, eh? Know three words from the holy dictionary of Guild Wars, put em in a sentence and actually say something... 19:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
cool story bro~WaffleZWafflesigLOL(contribs) 19:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Come talk to me when ur signature's composed of more than just numbers and periods, scrub. BlazingBurdy 22:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Shadow Refuge (/A)..

...should be in variants (minimum). It serves as one of the best regenerative self-heals for splitability while retaining total kd utility and rupt powahs with coward and d-chop [if used in a non-retarded manner]. --BlazingBurdy 03:16, December 15, 2009 (UTC) Tyrael Life Sheath I'm santa! 19:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know, that with something Like Death's Charge or Signet of Malice might be nice for a split. However, I'm fairly certain this is not a split build.  Thomas So Dutch  20:31, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
You're serious about even considering mainbarring Shadow Refuge on an axe bar? And why the hell would you need a regenerative self-heal for an in this case terrible secondary? ---Chaos- (moo) -- 20:41, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Recent tactics buff

I added Thrill of Victory in as an optional. Almost fully charges Coward in one hit as well as decreasing the time between spikes a bit. Fear Me might be worth putting as an optional as well but I haven't gotten around to trying that out yet. ~Khasar
Thrill of Victory instead of Body Blow and "Fear Me!" in the optional slot with 8 tactics would be the way to go. 8 tactics is the break point for both of those skills which is nice Wazzaa4u 19:02, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Fear me @8

BIG CRITS ALL THE TIME, your target's on the ground so often that you're PUMPing crits out with fear me. It's a very nice optional--TahiriVeila 19:35, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Take Thrill of Victory over bblow and you an spam coward like a bitch --Frosty Frostcharge 19:54, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Tactics variant

I disagree with it being mainbarr'd, as the purely strength-oriented version (12-12-3) is used just as regularly as this one. I vote for the Str version to be the main bar and the tactics variant to have its own sub-section. Amorality 19:37, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Untrue... only the tactics is meta.... unless you watch HA. --Ajsnuker File-Ajsnukerprage 20:55, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing alot of "To the Limit!"? Variant? 20:58, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

imo there should b a strength variant and this tactics one w/ a meta tag because both r viable optionsKytan does pvp 01:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
Except the tactics one is way better. And yeah i see a to the limit with soldier's speed variant thats pretty cool. idk what they use instead of thrill though. maybe thrill... hahaI Can Haz Pvp 02:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

So i herd some things lately

To The Limit is gud on this build. Add to variants BerserkerConan 21:16, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's already in the variants....did you even read them?--TahiriVeila 21:30, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

This build doesn't look great damage wise, when you consider the low strength, etc. but after testing it seems to really hurt opponents. I suppose it has a lot to do with thrill of victory making your adrenal skills so readily available.. and a little bit to do with fear me. 10:15, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

meta tag

It's still a functional build that should be kept around, but nobody runs it anymore. Should that only be reflected in commonality or should I just tag it back to great? --Lemming 20:46, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

great. If nobody runs it, it's not meta. ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:57, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
It's still rather popular--Ikimono1 21:24, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
That's what the Great-category is for ^____^ --DANDY ^_^ -- 05:54, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
I think it's very strong. KD + mild e-denial + Crits to punish non-kiters + Coward to punish kiters+ an awesome adren-boosting attack. It's full of win, tbh. --BlazingBurdy 07:50, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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