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Considering FC got nerfed, I figured the Ele primary version should be brought back. If I'm bad and this isn't even worth getting to testing, say so. I'm kinda new here. Tru 20:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it should be vetted or not but your not bad for getting around the nerfs :P. Okay basically, its RA so you dont really want shockwave. Just because your an ele doesnt mean you cant carry on abusing lyssa's aura also, e/me is an option. OoB may also be viable, but im unsure on that. Basically your elite should be energy management as the whole point of stoning spammers is to just KD, weakness and blind everybody and its really not that good if you cant spam it. Sorry if thats hard to understand but ive had over 4 hours of exams today and im really, really tired.--Steamy..x 20:10, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
it's still a strong build for RA. Rapes shitUnreal sig 1Cute mc puppies 20:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
and people run it with dual attuneUnreal sig 1Cute mc puppies 20:11, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
On the rare occasion I feel like running Earth in RA, I always run this with Shockwave. It does ridiculous damage on baddies in RA. The only time I have energy problems is if I've been spamming for the past minute straight (hyperbole). In that case, I just use Ebon Hawk and Glowstone on a physical until I have enough to spam enough to kill something, generally a monk. I put Ele Attune there only because some people prefer either 1) having no worries at all about energy or 2) don't like the PBAoE of Shockwave. And UG is kind bad for RA. Tru 20:14, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Attunement would do more damage over time because you can spam everything on your bar on charge. Although yeah, if your looking for minispike damage shockwave would do more damage in a short period of time.--Steamy..x 20:22, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
That's true. I just prefer the minispike playstyle myself, I guess. And RA matches usually go quickly enough (esp. with this bar) that I don't find myself low on energy too often. Imo, Attune can get mainbarred as long as Shockwave stays a variant. Also, opinions on UG as a variant? It's kinda bad for RA, being AoEDoT and all, but...? Tru 20:28, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
UG suks, no. --Frosty Frostcharge 20:29, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like some valid suggestions of secondary elite skills. None of those are very convincing, and dual attunement + aura + glowstone is obviously redundant. I'm also considering various utility skills, which could be brought with or without Elemental Attunement. --ςοάχ? --

Be a chief, drop Glowstone, and grab Leech Signet! :p Then you res control and interrupt preps and monks and possible distractions to your zzz skill spamming ^_^ So solid idea kk --ςοάχ? -- 20:36, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

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Ebon Hawk Stoning Ash Blast Optional Aura of Restoration Elemental Attunement Earth Attunement Resurrection Signet


optional for skills like
[[Cry of Frustration@3]/[[Shield Bash@0]/[[Return@3]/[[Augury of Death@3]/[[Healing Breeze@8](don't dis it)/[[Rend Enchantments@3] etc.</pvxbig> --Frosty Frostcharge 21:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Is all that really necessary for energy? I'm in for some energy "budget cuttings" to compress the bar a little. --ςοάχ? -- 21:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Spamming everything that does damage on charge is quite strong--Steamy..x 21:10, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
I just am quite sure you can do that with just Aura, Glowstone and regular attune. --ςοάχ? -- 21:12, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Theres a reason why the me/e version had lyssa's aura, you need ALOT of energy management.--Steamy..x 21:17, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
If you say so. I played it with only attune and aura and it seemed only a little tight, at which point I figured out that Glowstone, and energy should be just fine. --ςοάχ? -- 21:22, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Was on way home from work. You can spam on recharge without Ele Attune for up to ~45 seconds, iirc. I might test it out again later this evening if I'm motivated enough. As for elites from secondaries, I can't really think of a good one for this build that isn't energy-related. There's Lyssa's Aura, but Ele Attune does it better. If you like the idea of having a rupt on the bar, Tease might work though. In the area is big. Tru 21:24, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Somebody do the math please? :>--Steamy..x 21:28, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Rather just test it out. The figures won't be exact anyways. --ςοάχ? -- 21:29, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
(EC)I'm actually thinking that there won't be situations where you get to spam for 45s uninterrupted. Just play like that against any competent ranger and you'll have your anal rape filmed and on youporn within 2 hours of the end of the reciprocation period. --ςοάχ? -- 21:29, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Not many of those in RA to be fair, most cant hit less than 2 sec casts--Steamy..x 21:36, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
No, they can't. There will anyways be pauses for repositioning and ressing and kiting and everything that's part of a regular RA game. You just can't expect your build to operate undisturbed. --ςοάχ? -- 21:48, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

tbh, even with lyssa's aura you had to wait a little bit to spam the 15's, on a 40 40 set the energy didnt recover as fast as it does with duel attune, If these skills were 5 energy costs, and this wasnt being split into 2 attributes already, lyssa's would be superior, but as they are 15 eng skills, attunets work better than regen.Unreal sig 1Cute mc puppies 21:56, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm playing it with Tease in RA as we speak. With a 40/40 insp set, it's pretty strong at rez control in combination with Stoning. I like. However, it's still slightly lacking in e-manage, but not enough to make matches long or hard (lol). Tru 22:00, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
energy storage + 1e return from Aura and return from Glowstone, so you can't make a direct comparison. The mesmer needs it to compensate for all that. --ςοάχ? -- 22:02, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
After thinking about it for a bit, I think the version Frosty posted above should be mainbarred. It provides energy management while devoting as many skills (3) to it as the current mainbar, and has one skill slot open for utility. I'll edit that into mainbar in a min. Tru 00:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Well it's practically what I said but with more thought upon skill suggestions. 3 energy management skills for 3 spammed skills is a beautiful dedication. --ςοάχ? -- 01:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Elemental Attunement

Terrible elite. You can leave the elite optional and Variant Shockwave, Unsteady Ground, Ether Prism, Energy Boon, etc... El Attunement really isn't doing anything that Glowstone can't sort out. MinionMinion sig k bishExcluded 03:01, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

It was left in because Glowstone will not cover spamming a 10e and 15e spell on a 5ish second spell on recharge. Zyke-Sig 03:12, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
I use Energy Boon with Gstone; constantly spamming, and EBoon is unstrippable, uninterruptible. Ether Prism kills spikes if you're being targeted and dishes energy. Attunement does nothing else but give some E. MinionMinion sig k bishExcluded 03:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Glyph of Lesser Energy Stone Sheath Ebon Hawk Stoning Ash Blast Glowstone Earth Attunement Resurrection Signet

for teh lulz. Zyke-Sig 03:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

How is Elemental Attunement bad again? There isn't much deep enchantment removal in RA (even in GvG/HA now), and you have a cover for single enchant strips. --Frosty Frostcharge 13:48, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
This dual attunement build has a marathon/endurance quality to it. Other elites won't have that to this degree. GeroWizhard 20:15, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

i don't see the dilemma with la, don't spam it needlessly.--Relyk talk 06:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Build:E/any Attuned Eruption

Merge build in topic with this one as per its talk page? I don't know the proper procedure to (request to) merge builds. Tru 13:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Should there be a merge tag on this build? The notes section on the merge template says that a merge tag should only go on the page to be deleted for an asymmetrical merge, which appears to be what this should be. Tru 14:40, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Make Eruption optional and delete that page. Eruption is more then powerful enough for an optional82.72.119.180 14:55, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
I say no, we have them for different uses, ra where you just spam ebon hgawk/stoning/ash and ab where you can spam eq/ds and shitUnreal sig 1 20:14, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe even run glyph of energy on the other earth bar, oldschool :pUnreal sig 1 20:16, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Tbh, there's not that much of a difference. You spam Ebon/Stoning/Ash on rech in AB/CM too, you just also use Eruption/Eq/DS on mobs. The bars are very similar, and the playstyles aren't so radically different as to necessitate two separate build pages. These aren't the ranger bars or anything =P. Tru 20:21, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
merge --ςοάχ? -- 20:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
fixed, check other build againUnreal sig 1 20:24, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Back to Stoning Spammer

Just ran this build with the new focus on RA. I used Web of Disruption Web of Disruption for the optional. Got a glad first time out with a healer. GeroWizhard 07:39, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

wow dude lets main bar it, must be the best optional out of all them skills by far you got a glad. --Frosty Frostcharge 07:44, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
lol... So Icey... And hey I thought we were supposed to give feedback on the build now that it's in testing phase? --GeroWizhard 07:46, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
The Web of Disruption is a viable optional though. Interrupts any skill for only 5 energy, has a quick 15s recharge, plus you get the bonus rupt 10 seconds later. --GeroWizhard 08:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Would rather have Cry of Frustration, for AoE interrupt. Complicate could be taken with some spec to disable res sigs. --Frosty Frostcharge 08:09, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, but with it only taking 5e... the Web is not the drain on energy (key to this build) that Cry is when 'spamming' it to rupt key skills. I agree a Frustration Cry can be shocking to opponents --GeroWizhard 08:13, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
I dont know what your going on about to be fair but web of disruption is shit and cry is amazing.--Steamy..x 09:16, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Alright, drifted off topic there... The point of the first comment was to give a thumbs up to this build with the 7 suggested skills and the one optional.--GeroWizhard 09:19, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
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