Build talk:Me/E PvE Domination Mesmer

I'm fed up at looking in PvE General - Great and seeing 3 builds that look pretty much the same [1], [2], [3] Attempting to merge. athrunfeyaspeaks 10:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

it looks wonderful. although the others may argue along the same vein as with the pvp ranger builds as the elite does affect gameplay abit Funkopotomis 02:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't. -- Drah 02:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

lolpvegameplay. FrostytheAdmin 11:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol, yeah, general pve is a bit of a case of mash any skill thats recharged athrunfeyaspeaks 11:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Use skills on mob, mob died D: FrostytheAdmin 13:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Added a couple of additional standard weapons set's for Unlinked spells and for E-managment using Auspicious Incantation >>Jayson<<< 08:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

erm

Probably <pvxbig> [build prof=Me/E Domination=12+1+2 Fast=11+1 Insp=6+1][Optional][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][By Ural's Hammer!][Optional][Ether Nightmare (Kurzick)][Auspicious Incantation][Optional][/build] </pvxbig> Because usually VoR, GoLE, and Deep Freeze are used together. — Balistic PvX 17:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Naaa. And if anything Empathy > Ether Nightmare athrunfeyaspeaks 12:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

buuuuttt  Ether Nightmare spreads to everyone, so its better for cryers who target others — Balistic PvX

Cool, saves trouble of having dazillions domination builds overrun by noobs trying to ruin the article but I still hate generic builds because varints and mainbar are always fucked up in some way. You dont have to use nightmare all time or if you use vor, epidemic is only cool with finish him but it (offensive spell) shouldnt be replacing energy manag or utility. --Anonimous. D: 14:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Think the current one is fine then, it covers all of these athrunfeyaspeaks 08:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I like how domination equals: DEAL BIG MOTHERFUCKING AOE in pve. Brandnew 09:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I run this: <pvxbig> [build prof=Me/E Domination=12+1+3 Fast=12+1][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Visions of Regret][Empathy][Backfire][Cry of Pain][By Ural's Hammer!][Intensity][Optional][/build] </pvxbig> Never Fails and I dont have to dink around with arcane echo getting interupted/shattered. My Optional is as simple as rez sig. Shatter Enchant or Drain Enchant(r3) can be used as utility aswell Jlryan 08:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course it doesnt fail, this is pve. That's a pretty energy heavy build though, even with GoLE. Intensity is just as likely to get shattered as arcane too and res sig is pretty pointless, when H/Hing at least 4 party members have res sig and if you plan on dying more you should maybe think about a reusable res. I don't particularly like backfire in this build, in the time it takes cast and that foe deciding to use a spell, you may as well have just killed it with other domages. athrunfeyaspeaks 08:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh snap!

this build just got owned! Smity Smitington 04:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really, still perfectly viable. Though makes the illusion magic line wandering/clumisness more appealing athrunfeyaspeaks 08:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

This build centered on VoR and Cry of pain, and is called "Domination Mesmer", both of those skills got nerfed, and would be a completely different build with illusions skillz. Smity Smitington 15:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Energy Surge, MoR. Also, just don't use empathy on someone with vor on them :/ --Frosty Mc Admin 15:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Lol, VoR damage was actually slightly increased too athrunfeyaspeaks 15:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The build has to be reworked, cry of pain is still mainbar, not to mention ether nightmare is listen in optionals. Smity Smitington 15:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Cry of Pain is still reasonably good that's why. It's not "dead", people are completely overreacting, if it had a 30sec recharge and was conditional on an interrupt, that would be dead. Sorting EN now. athrunfeyaspeaks 15:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You must be forgeting that Cry of Pain is a hex spell now therefore does not sync with VoR. Smity Smitington 15:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It isn't a hex spell. athrunfeyaspeaks 15:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

CoP got fucked. --Anonimous. D: 15:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It really didn't. Most cryway builds had shitloads of surplus damage and will only really effect bad teams which shouldnt be completing elites and stuff anyway athrunfeyaspeaks 15:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Your right, it acts like a hex but some how is not. Either way optionals for this build need to be changed, or need a note, deep freeze and ether nightmare will not work well with VoR. Smity Smitington 15:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Zzzzzz. Check skill descriptions before you bother posting. I took our EN and Deep Freeze is fine, it specifies other MESMER hexes. athrunfeyaspeaks 15:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

sry, ur right. Smity Smitington 15:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr cryway cryway variants is are still viable and so is VoR. ··· Danny Does Drugs 16:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Never a huge fan of Ether nightmare, but is it not still "viable" in the optional section tagged maybe (Not to be used if taking VOR)? >>Jayson<<< 16:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

CoP does half the damage it used to do :/ ur way better off with Clumsiness and suchClose Impact 09:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd argue CoP with degen is better for solo or h/h play, Clumsiness happens to be the wrong spec Athrun Feya [agro] 09:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

in pve you don't want degen, you want direct damage tbhClose Impact 12:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

We had Ether Nightmare before which basically spread degen, new CoP is easily better, its still a good skill to take Athrun Feya [agro] 12:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Id have to agree that the hit COP took to a solo mes (aka NOT cryway)doesnt really matter. its not the win button it used to be, but that doesnt stop it having a nice place in the bar! Tho its best to echo something else now obviously. >>Jayson<<< 13:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge

Is it time now to get the old MOR, VOR and Esure bars dropped and replaced with this one? as this was meant to be their replacment and this covers all them bars and is now rated? >>Jayson<<< 15:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep. WELLing time. Athrun Feya [agro] 19:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

echo cry

notrly worth it anymore. and then by extension, neither is by ural's hammer. --Mafaraxas 18:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

echo vor is nice tho

Yah echo VoR, echo Esurge (with urals), still solid outputs! >>Jayson<<< 04:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Resurrect? Really?

Even in PvE, Resurrect is terrible. Does it really belong in variants? FomF or Res Chant I could see, but why Resurrect?

because someone bad wrote the variants :o sorting it now Athrun FeyaRwrRr 23:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

works well with the Discord team...

...especially the VoR variant. since the heroes bring their own conditions. ... hurhur... BYOC... --MIB4u 22:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

"We Shall Return"

What about using "We Shall Return"? It's a multi-res & pretty good with Auspicious Incantation.85.187.131.130 15:47, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Except its not a spell so doesnt work with ausp at all... AthrunFeya 15:47, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, didn't think about that, but we still have Light of Dwayna (still 25 energy & multi-res). Sorry, but I have log in problems, so I'm gonna use my IP to sign comments, untill I log in again, then I'll change the signs.85.187.131.130 16:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, allies don't tend to die in bunches, unless you're doing something pretty wrong. I just cant see how much it would be better than a single person res. You could say its for energy management, but energy management that relies on a party member dying isn't all too great. AthrunFeya 19:31, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Light of Dwayana is untargetted :o. -- Drah 03:32, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

shouldn't this be Me/any?

I don't see any ele skills on the mainbar. 70.139.49.71 20:22, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I updated the skill bars to Me/any but i'm scared of moving the page to Me/any PvE Domination Mesmer Tyrael I'm santa! 19:49, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

GoLE shouldnt have been taken out. I've neatened this thing up now. - AthrunFeya - 22:36, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Downtime

This build has it. Cuilan 21:40, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Cares. No one does. - AthrunFeya - 11:45, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

People wanting a domination build that doesn't shutdown itself would. Cuilan 19:23, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

what exactly is causing you downtime? the energy management is plentiful and there's no exhaustion or anything. if you need some spammy damage that's what those optional slots could be for. - AthrunFeya - 19:29, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Needs a Tank

This build needs a tank/Minions/Spirits for defense and requires too much of a tank-n-spank play style, otherwise your mesmer is not going to last very long taking damage in HM. I still prefer the Me/A AP builds with EVAS (have both offense + defense) to this. DarkSpirit 05:25, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

If your mesmer is sitting in the front soaking up damage, then your doing it wrong. 05:26, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

If your mesmer is running around being chased by warriors instead of casting, then you are not dealing any damage either. Where are the defenses? All I see is a bunch of offensive skills with no defenses. If it has no defenses then it is subpar to the Me/A AP builds with Arcane Echo EVAS because this one needs a tank.DarkSpirit 05:47, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

No, you have a hero team that has Aegis, Prot Spirit, Shield of Absorption, AoE Weakness, a minion wall, and spirits. It's also possible to fit even more defense in there. Player teams will have frontliners (not necessarily a 'tank') and probably SY. This is part of role specialization, where people focus on one job and do it well. In this case, this build does AoE armor-ignoring damage, and lots of it. ToraenTheJanitor 06:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Not every individual build needs minions, spirits or shadow form in (your heroes can take those anyway). Believe it or not, there are even some very effective team builds around which have none of these things. This build is great in HM since enemies spam skills and have seemingly infinite energy with which to do so. Just adding EVAS won't greatly improve your defense really - AthrunFeya - 11:44, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Foes generally (a lot of the time) skip by the Ebon sins if they were already wanting to whack you. Cuilan 19:26, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

this isnt a jackass of all trades master of none build.Its focused like most good bars are and has its own role in a TEAM that can supply the defence, a build is 64 skills not just 8..Tho admittedly reactive hexing comparatively blows donkey balls when put up against direct offense, but thats an entirely different discussion. loltank.>>Jayson<<< 01:04, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

If you want to reset their AI so they would stop chasing you instead of the closest target, just use YMLAD or a snare. This build damage is reliant on the monsters hitting something or using their skills on something, that means some allies have to take the pain since it doesn't interrupt or stop the attack. That is why it is not as good as the Me/A AP AE build that can conjure up to 4 EVAS which can KD and deal good damage. I dont see how this build is even half as good as the Me/A ones. Am I the only one that prefers a highly rated build that offers good defense as well as offense?DarkSpirit 04:41, March 3, 2010 (UTC)