Talk: Me/Mo Fast Cast RC

No joke. Zuranthium 20:11, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Divine Favor > Fast Casting? Only reason it works with Snare ele's is because Energy Storage has no real effect on that build. /FrosTalk\ 14:57, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

super protz! — Skakid 14:58, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

0.1 second SB and 0.4 second RC is pretty wtf hax though ;) /FrosTalk\ 14:59, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Lacks either e-management or bar efficiency to take advantage of FC or to make up for the lack of Divine Favor. Speed saves are great, but you wont be able to last the fight. Throw a sig or two in there or some kind of extreme e-management and get more bang for the buck. Shireen former sysop 15:10, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Energy is fine. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 15:21, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

TBH, it takes some type of magic to interrupt RC. Unless you're Dazed, it has a pretty nice cast time. --

*Wah Wah Wah!* 15:40, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I hope you mean with fast cast. — Skakid 15:45, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I PBlocked a RoF yesterday. It's very relevant. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 15:57, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

zzzzzz If you're seriously that worried about a pblock get more disruption in there. I seriously don't believe you're sitting on your prot staff enough. If this were viable to supplant, langola would be on a mesmer and not a monk.

Snow Bunny 15:59, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I forgot sarcasm doesn't work over the internet. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 16:09, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I like the 0.5s cast SoA and Guardian. Looks uber sexy. ¬H4xx Master Gladius 16:10, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Channeling could be used, at least for HA. Godbox 16:36, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure why the HA tag was added, is P-block common there as well? LOL at SnowBunny. Zuranthium 19:37, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Pblock is a commonly ran alternative to PD, actually. —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 20:47, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, but in HA you don't know what you'll fight. In GvG, in ATs, you take it 1 match at a time and know who you're fighting, so you get to change your build according to that. Which is why I'm thinking that this character really shouldn't have an HA tag. Zuranthium 03:21, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

lol at lol'ing at snow. — Skakid 01:04, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Uh, Snow seems to think a Prot staff prevents you from being P-blocked. A rather hilarious suggestion. Zuranthium 03:21, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

No, but it does make it more difficult (36% chance of fast cast, only a mesmer with about 1ms ping can wait to see if you fastcasted or not). — Skakid 09:54, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Shouldnt hex breaker be optional if its tagged for HA?--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 00:04, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

No. It's more of a GvG build than HA, so the main bar gets priority towards that. Zuranthium 00:55, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

AND IT WAS RUN BY A TOP 60 . Just thought I would throw that in there. FrostyNo U! 05:21, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Solar is r100? Anyway, from what I've seen it works brilliantly. Smurf Ohai 05:23, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Void of Silence, the team they played used it as well oO FrostyNo U! 05:24, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

What a mes uses against RC is not PBlock, its Signet of Humility. 219.77.33.41 06:16, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

No it isn't. Brandnew. 06:22, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

~~In condition pressure it is.~~ Nvm, was meant for LoD. But this still prevents you from getting Pblocked. -StarSeeker | My talk 07:49, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Isn't Hex Breaker AND Veil a bit overkill? Seems like one should be mtouch for self condition removal.--Black ened 15:10, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

No. — Skakid 15:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

You guys are inconsistant... * User:Shireen/Build:Me/Mo RA FC Healer Check the discussion page where most of you B* about any kind of mesmer filling any type of monk role. Shireen former sysop 20:03, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Pblock isn't RA meta, and this isn't great anyway. — Skakid 20:05, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Skad, I think they tagged it for HA and GVG... not RA. Shireen former sysop 20:06, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't matter much in any case, that build is a fast cast healer. This is a much different. Zuranthium 03:36, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Anyone else feelthat the 20% fast cast on the staff is a redundancy? Shireen former sysop 20:58, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

No, casting as fast as possible is good. Zuranthium 03:37, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok u lose the DF for FC, but surely u couls just use a HB instead of a WoH ifyou relli need the extra healing, while still wanting to keep a FC RC? Zuko 06:20, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Zuran Vote Removal

Is not valid. Skakid and Tab have rather large and valid reasons. Don't remove them just because you expect your build to be great. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:29, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

As a general point i'm hoping Zuranthium will bring his reasons to the discussion, now, instead. We're coming close to 1RV.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:27, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Dont already told him to not remove any more ratings. So, I think everything is fine now. --

*Wah Wah Wah!* 10:28, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Ill take this heading to poke my polight, and logical, interjection towards my vote removal, if you don't mind. I have used Mesmer Monks for over a year now, back when ZB was first introduced and was essentially a free casting. The main strength of a memser is their ability to fire off spells in significantly, and consistantly, shorter periods of time than monk primaries at the cost of divine favor (and some self survival skills). The shortened casting times allow a mesmer to fire off more spells and gain significant ground on a monk with the same bar. Here the fast casting is utilized only as a minor counter to mesmer interupts and increased reactivity to situations, but the pacing of that mesmers castings is still only limited to their regen bar, same as the monk. The key to creating a truly successfull Mesmer Monk is to include energy efficient (Not to be confused with the concept of Energy Density - Most healing per point of energy) skills to allow for continious casting of on demand skills. I illustrated a very strong variation and chart on the archives page of the above posted FC Heal mesmer, where a mesmer can consistantly cast 2-3 spells more than a monk of the same caliber, and spend less energy doing it, causing only a slight loss in overall healing power in exchange for a wider berth of consistant performance. This build, as strong as it is, is better off utilizing a simple monk with 20/20 FC wands. To get the best out of this bar as possible, energy efficiency needs to go up. Though it's other two points are valid - Reactivity and Interupt prevention are very strong, realistic reasons to go with a mesmer. However, it's missing the third possible output for the mesmer - Additional castings - Which it cannon do above and beyond a monk without improving e-management on the bar. Shireen former sysop 14:46, 11 July 2008 (EDT)