general VoR mesmer since we have loads of them around. --FrostyMini england 05:33, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Observant Frosty is observant. Are you just going around and like, looking for non-commented Mcbuilds? And yeah, this needs WELL. Mr. Big 19px 05:34, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
No, since there is already 2 vetted, and like a thousand floating around, I thought I would make a general one since the differences don't warrent new builds. --FrostyMini england 05:36, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I use

Diversion Visions of Regret Backfire Power Leak Power Drain Drain Enchantment Rip Enchantment Resurrection Signet

for RA, it wtfpwns there. <insert kitty here> Brandnew. 05:39, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I might have Sig of Hum over Drain E though. Can't recall. Brandnew. 05:40, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Well done, add more variants plzkthxbai i gotta doggy walk --FrostyMini england 05:44, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
omg stop making these!! That Twin Tom sigThat Twin Tom 14:39, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
oh lol does it go back into testing once merged? That Twin Tom sigThat Twin Tom 14:40, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
It's a new build comprised of all the variants from the other VoR bars, they're too similiar to warrent new builds, so I thought I would make a generalised one. --FrostyMini england 14:42, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Too many optionals, diversion has to be on main bar anyways. (Empathy>Backfire)=autattack--ShadowRelyk Sig 14:47, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
It really depends what team you are in, something having Backfire over diversion works because your basically killing the monks yourself. --FrostyMini england 15:22, 20 September 2008 (EDT)


Maybe? Moloch 15:19, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

no--ShadowRelyk Sig 15:19, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Explain? Moloch 15:21, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Ignorance is bad. The sigs Monks would use is Rejuve and Devotion, both of which aren't that common. Anyway, if a Monk is forced to only use Sigs, then I'm pretty sure you've shut them down enough. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 15:22, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
I guess that's right. Moloch 15:26, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Resurrection signet + RA = lols?-- 15:40, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Dshot, you should take it on every single RA bar. Brandnew. 15:41, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
Dshot monk WTFBQSAUCEPWN justing6 04:28, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Cover hex? Mightymousemoush 04:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Wastrel's Worry? --FrostyMini england 08:19, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
Doesn't work on monks. They cast holy veil on themselves to remove VoR, it ends WW then they remove VoR. And anyone else who uses a skill. Mightymousemoush 19:56, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
Drain Enchantment? Don't be dumb? --FrostyMini england 02:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Wow, you're bad. WW isn't a cover hex. Mightymousemoush 18:57, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
I know it doesn't act as a cover hex, but if they have off monk hex removal they will remove WW not VoR, so even though it makes for even bigger pressure it acts as a cover for VoR too. --FrostyMini england 02:00, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I like this better

Someone got rid of backfire and empathy finally.--ShadowRelyk Sig 22:20, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, it's still there, but in the optionals now :P.PikaFanLightningbolt sig 22:27, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
Backfire + VoR is fucking strong. --FrostyMini england 02:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
yh lol but better to altenate cause NO-ONE is gonna cast through both and/or backfire and lol this is merged from about 4/5 builds ;) and this time its great rather than other or good lol That Twin Tom sigThat Twin Tom 12:57, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Agreed I also think that Empathy and Backfire should be as optional. Here is my favourite version of this build, some may say it lacks focus but I think its great since it can handle many different situations.

Power Spike Wastrel&#039;s Worry Visions of Regret Blackout Deep Freeze Auspicious Incantation Drain Enchantment Resurrection Signet

One way to play it is to first cast VoR on some foes then go for blackout on their monk that way enemies usually think they can rely on their monk so the keep going and ignores VoR. Another way is to use blackout in the downtime of VoR to focus on a single foe. WW and Power Spike Synergies great together. AI and Deep Freeze will provide more than enough energy to sustain the build also is very useful against runners or melee attackers--iktor(contribs) 08:22, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

HB Tag

This build should have an HB tag... It's awesome there since heroes tend to spam skills and kill themselves by doing so. With Backfire and Empathy it can easily solo things like R/P, E/D etc. Since flagging makes heroes ball you can get VoR on 3 heroes for even more damage! Ironboot 16:05, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

to much hexremoval in hb Illoyon 22:18, 21 October 2008 (EDT)


Though not really a counter, it might be useful to note that Wastrel's Worry causes more damage than VoR, and therefore using a skill when under the effects of both of them can be advisable. Lazuli 16:07, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Not necessarily, there's also Diversion, and the chance that you interrupt a spell. You could also stack Backfire or Empathy on your target, so it really depends on the situation, tbh. ــмıкεнaшк 16:44, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I guess. It just seems to me that in low level pvp a lot of people just panic when a huge stack of purple icons lands on them. Lazuli 17:04, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
Especially if you're playing a Monk or without one. XD ــмıкεнaшк 17:05, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Why is Diversion in there?

Is this seriously meant to be a stand mesmer build? If not, why is Diversion in there? Lutz 02:54, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Probably because Diversion is one of the best skills in the game. I am going to go with that. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby 03:15, 5 November 2008 (EST)
Tbh, this write-up sucks. Two optionals (which means nobody knows what to bring in each arena because the list of possible skills is three pages long) and diversion (which is never run in GvG or HA hexway). -Auron 23:13, 10 November 2008 (EST)
Wow I am not keeping up with gvg if Diversion sucks there. <--fail comment :P--ShadowRelyk Sig 02:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)
To be honest, Diversion is amazing in TA on this bar and I would say this bar sees more use in TA than in GvG. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby 03:14, 11 November 2008 (EST)
I rewrote it, Diversion is hawt but should be left as two optionals until unless there's a general consensus it should be on main bar.--ShadowRelyk Sig 03:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)


Dash and Ether Feast are good optionals for AB, and the only defense you'll need barring snares. Lazuli 20:20, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Should empathy be on the main bar?

Discuss. 23:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)

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