Build talk:Mo/W PnH Arena Monk

This is a very common build in the arena´s and CM/AB at the moment, it pewpews stupid hexstack-metatrash-necros and mesmers. please discuss and edit if you see any formatting problems. Looks like Breitschleif 08:11, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Dwayna's kiss is kind of bad without Healer's Boon. Rickyvantof 08:12, 16 January 2009 (EST)

This build is awesome in current meta, especially the combination of vig spirit, ps and dwayna's kiss as it often sums up to ~120 heath gained, not inculdig DF and patient spirit itself. Combining this versatile healing power with the best cond/hex removal in the game makes the whole build pretty leet tbh. I Predict A Riot (zomg!) 08:25, 16 January 2009 (EST)

This should be TA-only in heavy-physical builds. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:02, 16 January 2009 (EST)

disciplined stance

needs moar-WaffleZ LOL- 08:30, 16 January 2009 (EST)

/agree, but i hurd variants told us alot. I Predict A Riot (zomg!) 08:34, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Well i could put it in the main bar as well, but i prefered shield bash myself... in combination with guardian it is decent antimelee and doesnt require another att spread. but well discuss it and change it if you think it is more viable. Looks like Breitschleif 08:36, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Disciplined and Shield Bash should be enough anti-melee for yourself. Just kite more. Guardian is more helpful for removing melee pressure off of allies. 10:43, 16 January 2009

Primal Rage says hi to kiters. Then kicks them in the balls with Bull's.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 13:05, 16 January 2009 (EST)

I agree. Kiting is not a real option, besides rangers will trigger shield bash from a distance and continue beating on you even while you are kiting. This build is nice as a support healer or when your team is set for heavy pressure and survivng a long time is not an option. Pressure rolls this even with disciplined stance, so I would prefer to keep it in the build.--User:MindMaze|07:41, 14 March 2009]]

Dwayna's Kiss?

Is this skill really necessary with that much hex removal? TedTheFarmer 11:37, 16 January 2009 (EST)

you need a skill to make red bars go up and this one is the strongest in this case. you can first heal em when he has hexes on and then remove them or heal em when he only has enchantments on, too. Looks like Breitschleif 11:59, 16 January 2009 (EST)

^ Also, what else would you use instead of dwaynas? Healing Whisper, Words of Comfort, Orison of Healing? Though those can self heal, their healing potential is rather Meh.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 13:09, 16 January 2009 (EST)

I made a very similar version of this build and it works well, the only problem I found was a lack of self heal - but if you use your defensive skill (stances, return, etc) properly then it can keep your team alive and clean of conditions and hexes - helps them beat the other team which helps you. WoH, i find, isn't enough against the new hexes, and really encourages me to mindlessly redbar. HareeMuh 13:44, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Discipined Stance

I removed Shield Bash from the main bar as it is really a more viable choice to pick Disciplined Stance and spread your atts instead of using Shield Bash. Shield Bash is now in Variants instead. Looks like Breitschleif 20:01, 16 January 2009 (EST)

TA Tag

I say drop it. Most TA teams already have enough hex-removal and WoH is pretty much necessary there. Rickyvantof 06:44, 17 January 2009 (EST)

You run it with another healer. Tab 06:45, 17 January 2009 (EST)

You actually run it with a offensive team where you roll them before they roll you. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 11:04, 17 January 2009 (EST)

one pnh healer with an offensive team? ive never seen that setup, its always been either a derv healer with it or another mo/w. occasionally a necro as the other, but those teams are easy to roll. Gringo 11:07, 17 January 2009 (EST)

^ i should expand. my point was that if you run it with all offense, once you CANT wipe the other team fast enough youll lose because youll have a monk who cant tolerate pressure all too well. he'll just get trained down with rend or rigor. Gringo 11:15, 17 January 2009 (EST)

PS, this is actually ran by quite many in TA, sometimes as a main healer and sometimes as a supporter (Instead of Smiter) or just used in the basic Dervish spikke build (which is ran by you Gringo) where you allready have a powerhealer:) Massive 11:56, 27 January 2009 (EST)

yea me and every joe and their uncle, fuckers keep stealing it. Saint 11:57, 27 January 2009 (EST)

PS: added an aditional Optional since they is mostly used whit Balanced Stance:) Massive 12:02, 27 January 2009 (EST)

mainbar

looks strange now...Illoyon 16:16, 14 February 2009 (EST)

i changed the mainbar back to normal. whoever is editing around my builds should at least discuss that here. i forgot where the page history button is so i dont know and i am not eager to care about it anyways, just dont edit around kthxbye. Looks like Breitschleif 08:49, 17 February 2009 (EST)

stop making holy veil an optional skill, you simply need it to stand against shame or diversion. deny hexes is a nice skill in combination with df skills, but it still is useless against the abovementioned skills if replacing hv. I Predict A Riot eeeek! 03:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking Deny over Veil, but preveiling is better then removing hex stacks when you already have a skill that does that. I think. Rickyvantof 17:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

lol revert war.. ---Chaos- 18:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Is CoP a viable option in place of divert? I think if you keep veil up on yourself and use CoP to counter bs hexes like LC, VoR, BF, etc. The only downside would be the e-management, but then again rend/rip can easily ruin the small window of near-free heals from DS. So.. is CoP a good variant? --BlazingBurdy 17:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

WTF is CoP?--Goldenstar 17:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Contemplation of Purity (skill, 5e, 10r). --BlazingBurdy 17:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Cry of Pain, the big deal in PvE atm. Also, learn to abbreviate, Blazing. That's like saying Ursan and meaning some PvP build. ---Chaos- 17:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Seeing how he is the one that abbreviated, I guess he's right actually :/ Brandnew. 17:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

better as a mo/a, unless running wod. --Readem 21:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

My that's a dumb attribute spread... 11+1+1 healing prayers and you will get extra attribs. Misery Says Moo 21:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

You only get one point in Prot, which hits no Breaks FrostytheAdmin 22:21, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

If you get weakness you'll still have a 5 second guardian. Also, your attributes will look less faggy. Moush 04:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Counters

Edited counters instead of general or obvious counters.--Xamoro 04:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Re-editing counters, Diversion is too obvious as the skill shuts down nearly every build. In addition, it is part of caster hate.--Xamoro 05:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

you don't need guardian. If you do, your build doesn't have enough defense/is bad. --Readem 09:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

you have not enough defence if you take guardian? sounds a bit strange...Illoyon 00:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

guardian isnt necessary to win in ta i think--Relyk 06:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

with how it's going caster whore, and a mesmer/ranger on the other team will interrupt it anyways if they have a melee guy, yea you may have a point. RA, yes.--IkimonoNeeds more "good" Paragon 09:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Divine Spirit

Is this necessary? I mean, 10 second every 60 doesn't seem to great to me.--Wingsy 20:16, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

TBH i don't use it, i bring SoR instead of dkiss and mend touch instead of DS--Goldenstar 20:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

It's really just for the synergy between deny hexes and a long recharge divine favor skill --Drah McNinja 21:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it does bettah with Contemplation of Purity and Cure Hex/Dwaynas for red-barring. I also like going /A for return cuz I can invest less in it and more in DF; plus, the new nerf to stances suxxorz! --BlazingBurdy 16:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

There are a lot of Variants to this build, feel free to add them to the list if you want to. I personaly dont play this with Divine Spirit but Signet of Rejuvenation and either Cure Hex or Dismiss Condition for some additional redbar pushups, but thats really a question of preferences. the build as it is posted in the main bar works brilliant but needs some practise. and i agree, the nerf of almost all stances hurt badly, that was a blow to all monks i guess. Looks like Breitschleif 13:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

RA Tag

I don't see this build working in RA. If you don't get heavy hex people against you, you're screwed. DK and PS isn't enough to keep people up, not at least in the few games i tried this build. Though i was little unlucky and we didn't face more than 1-2 conditions and hexes per game so PnH was kinda useless. Remove the tag? 84.251.199.244 12:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

People run PnH a lot in RA tbh. Misery Says Moo 12:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

and it works a charm... I love having a PnH with me, Specially cos of all the VoR, Emp, IP hexes run there... keeps em off for more hammer time!Anwyn 13:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Sprint

A good monk NEEDS a sprint in any PVP. Good bar but can't get to fights fast enough and avoid rushes. NEEDS a speed increase imo 13:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

you are such an amazing troll <3 Brandnew 13:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Change

That is looking better....you can drop DS now and have a spare slot....take a speed boost maybe. 23:44, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Rather run signet of rejuv or balanced stance. Drah McNinja 23:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

And why do you need a speed boost in arenas?152.226.6.203 02:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Votes

Don't know what the policy is on getting votes removed, but currently the ones on this are terrible, really they are. This is at least equal if not better (dshot...) than woh in TA in many builds, and in RA it beats the fact that every other char is a VoR mes or a PS sin. PnH monks are actually pretty amazing. Mo/A is probably better in TA, RA they're about equal. 82.9.18.53 14:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

If you want to have votes removed you should do it like this;

1. Contact the voter on his/het talkpage about his/her vote.
2. Explain why their vote is wrong if they refuse to change it
3. Go to the admin noticeboard (which can be found in the navigation bar to the left) and complain about their votes so an admin/bm will remove them.

Everyone just skips steps one and two though Brandnew 14:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

It's in great anyway so it's barely worth the effort combating retardation. Misery Says Moo 14:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

If it falls out of great we have to do some vote balancing then.uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 14:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Bonetti's Defense

That slot should really be an optional for the main stances, because Bonetti's isn't a majority use. Optional Slot and underneath Bonetti's Defense, disciplined etc.--Wingsy 23:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, bonetti's is used by the majority of people. it can be incredible energy management, and you get a longer lasting stance for 0 attributes. Drah 23:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

From my experience, nearly all TAers run balanced and bonetti's now. I suppose in RA its optional. 82.9.18.53 23:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

There is a problem with Bonetti's that you have to get enough adren. BEFORE the KD lock. I still like it cause a good monk can avoid it and that is why a good speed boost will help. 23:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

? Drah 23:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Yah I guess...just make sure you get it off before the bull...again good monk needed. 00:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

If you see a war about to use bulls and you are kiting press escape, you'll stop moving and it will miss. 71.202.188.133 01:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't like Bonetti's as the only stance, in that situation I prefer Disciplined, but it is personal preference. Misery Says Moo 06:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice thanks for the pointer. It's hard cause you always have the tendency to run away. Then again how do you know that the skill Bull will be used and not Enraging Charge? 10:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

lol? Is this a joke?uɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 13:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

No, but is has been resolved... :)Anwyn 13:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

WHAT

Well if you change this why not go with ME and take Leech Signet? This was suppose to be a /war. hmmmm 10:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Nerfed

Makes ths rather baed now probably... will test it but i guess this is dead in the arenas now. Looks like Breitschleif 00:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)