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People mostly run PnH support with 1)/P skills 2)Rend+Rip+Weariness 3)AoS + SoA, drop rip or deny depending on team configuration. We should make it Mo/any, then leave slots open for optionals depending on secondary.[[User:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Pika'''</font>]][[User_talk:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Fan'''</font>]][[image:chrismaspika_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 13:58, 7 February 2009 (EST) |
People mostly run PnH support with 1)/P skills 2)Rend+Rip+Weariness 3)AoS + SoA, drop rip or deny depending on team configuration. We should make it Mo/any, then leave slots open for optionals depending on secondary.[[User:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Pika'''</font>]][[User_talk:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Fan'''</font>]][[image:chrismaspika_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 13:58, 7 February 2009 (EST) |
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:why aren't there attributes?--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 04:26, 12 February 2009 (EST) |
:why aren't there attributes?--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 04:26, 12 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | ::They depend on the rest of the bar. [[User:Tycn|Tycn]] 04:27, 12 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | :::Pretty sure you always run 12+1+1 DF though. 5 second break point gives you 6 second PnH. - [[Image:Miserysig.PNG|117px]] [[User talk:Misery|<small><font color="black">(talk)</font></small>]] 04:30, 12 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | ::::<big><big><big>I prefer having <big><big>'''half recharge'''</big></big> on PnH</big></big></big>, so I always use 40/40, but that's just me.[[User:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Pika'''</font>]][[User_talk:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Fan'''</font>]][[image:chrismaspika_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 14:45, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | :::::thats why ur so bad wow. why the fuck would u need a half cast on pnh? run a 20% spear with hrt offhand..[[User:66.90.104.3|66.90.104.3]] 15:07, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | ::::::Lol, whoever uses 40/40 sets to trigger half cast on PnH? You are so bad and didn't read what I said before making fail comments.[[User:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Pika'''</font>]][[User_talk:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Fan'''</font>]][[image:chrismaspika_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 15:25, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | ::::::<s>+Enchanting too tbh ;o</s> didn't see 20% bit [[Image:Frostrage.jpg|19px]][[User:Frosty|<font color="Blue">'''Frosty'''</font>]] [[User talk:Frosty|<font color="Blue"><small>po!</small></font>]] 15:08, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | :::::::He uses 40/40 to have good odds of halved recharge, not halved cast. But yeh. --<small>—''The preceding trolling attempt was made by'' [[User:Chaos Messenger|Chaos]] ([[User talk:Chaos Messenger|talk]]) .</small> 15:18, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | ::::::::You can also take the half recharge and +20%, because half cast on PnH is redundant. <b>[[User:Rickyvantof|<font color=black>Ricky</font>]][[Image:Ricksawsmface.PNG]][[User_talk:Rickyvantof|<font color=black>vantof</font>]]</b> 15:20, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | :::::::::I prefer an extra chance to trigger HSR rather than the enchantment boost, plus the 40/40 set is good for getting off dual delights.[[User:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Pika'''</font>]][[User_talk:Pika_Fan|<font color="#FDD017" face="blackadder itc">'''Fan'''</font>]][[image:chrismaspika_sig.jpg|19x19px]] 15:31, 17 February 2009 (EST) |
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+ | == Optionals == |
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+ | Is there any reason why you couldn't feasibly go /E and take Grasping and WaF instead? [[Special:Contributions/82.14.87.226|82.14.87.226]] 17:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :PnH needs to clean hexes from runners being snared, hard to do that and snare. [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]][[User:Frosty|<font color="Blue">Frosty</font>]][[User talk:Frosty|<font color="Blue"><small>the</small></font>]][[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="Blue">Admin</font>]] 17:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | ::err, i see plenty of PNH being warders. Did you forget that there are two other monks to take care of hexes?--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :::PnH snaring is fucking moronic, no one does it--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 00:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::Except a lot of teams in HA. And PNH is a utility slot allowing it to be incredibly versatile, which includes snaring.--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::Some ppl do put snares on the PnH if they won't fit elsewhere, but ok it's not ideal. As a side note, there are probably lots of other optionals like Gift of Health you could take too. [[Special:Contributions/81.109.209.32|81.109.209.32]] 14:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::You're observing terrible teams if you see them using pnh on a snare. no one does it--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 14:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | == Rt optionals == |
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+ | Aren't Splinter, Arage and Warmongers dead, and doesn't Spirit Rift just suck outside of riftspike? /Rt for Life, PwK, Resilient, Weapon of Warding maybe, but not this, come on. [[User:Dragnmn|<font color="red">Drag</font><font color="darkorange">nmn</font>]] [[User_talk:Dragnmn|<small>talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dragnmn|cont</small>]] 23:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :all those skills listed are useful still. Spirit Rift "can" be useful with Warrior hammer spikes.--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="Teal">Needs more Paragon</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 02:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | ::They are useful, though the point about resto stuff is valid, WoW, WoS and so on work well on this, though you may need to take a zealous spear set for energy. [[Special:Contributions/81.109.209.32|81.109.209.32]] 14:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :::late reply. but u guys r bad. look at rspike for /rt skills [[User:Exo Oo|Exo Oo]] 18:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::Tbh rspikes Mo/Rt is only used by, well, rspike :/ [[Image:Frostysig9000.jpg|19px]][[User:Frosty|<font color="Blue">Frosty</font>]][[User talk:Frosty|<font color="Blue"><small>the</small></font>]][[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="Blue">Admin</font>]] 18:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::tbh no1 else uses rt skills on a pnh [[User:Exo Oo|Exo Oo]] 19:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | == Errr == |
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+ | No1 uses that as mainbar, leave optionals. although tbh, the whole bar is optional except pnh [[User:Exo Oo|Exo Oo]] 21:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :And get rid of Strength of Honor, it stinks(nerf)[[User:Tyraelxy|--Tyrael--]] 10:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | == Ele optionals == |
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+ | Put Glyph of Lesser Energy, Ward Against Foes and Grasping Earth at 12 Earth Magic as an optional filler? --[[User:Douche Bag|<span style="color: black"><small>'''Douche'''</small></span>]] [[Image:Skull Crack.jpg|19px|OWNED!]][[User_talk:Douche Bag|<span style="color: orange"><small>'''WHACK!'''</small></span>]] 12:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :Disregard that comment, lol I really should read before I post... --[[User:Douche Bag|<span style="color: black"><small>'''Douche'''</small></span>]] [[Image:Skull Crack.jpg|19px|OWNED!]][[User_talk:Douche Bag|<span style="color: orange"><small>'''WHACK!'''</small></span>]] 12:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | == Archive == |
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+ | No one runs at all, triple weapon rits are much more suited to the current meta. --[[User:Frosty|<b><font color="Black">Frosty</font></b>]] [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 15:55, January 25, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :yea but with update coming i'd rather keep the bar here, just without a meta tag. its still a great build, and when party healing gets nerfed all we're gonna see is hexway and this will come back. <small>—''The preceding [[PvXwiki:Sign your comments|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:Gringo|Gringo]] ([[User talk:Gringo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gringo|contribs]]) (UTC).</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned--> 16:50, January 25, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | == Dumb comment time == |
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+ | With all the bot mesmers and multiple copies of mind wrack and other monk hate hexes being ran, wouldn't spell breaker be a better choice? Throwing that on your heal monk seems like a lot better protection from all that than PnH, plus you still have deny for deep hex removal. - [[User:Zero.Six|<b><font color="darkred">Zero</font><font color="black">.Six</font></b>]] [[Image:Z123.PNG]] 17:03, May 25, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :<s>Then you have to deal with Expunge Enchantments.</s> Owait, this is the HA one. [[User:Toraen|<font face="Courier New" color="Black">'''Toraen'''</font>]][[User_talk:Toraen|<font face="Courier New" color="DarkGoldenrod">TheJanitor</font>]][[image:ToraenSig2.png]] <small>17:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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+ | == hurr == |
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+ | mainbar prots and remove divine healing&heavens delight. no one really run this with monk bl anymore |
Latest revision as of 13:44, 11 August 2010
Counter hexway meta and keep both monks channeling down!--GoldenStar 20:00, 8 January 2009 (EST)
- Frosty i love you so much--GoldenStar 20:15, 8 January 2009 (EST)
- borraaattttt. -- Gringo TALK 14:44, 9 January 2009(EST)
- btw, you took teh trashed pnh bar and just put rip/rend in options. -- Gringo TALK 14:47, 9 January 2009(EST)
- Lol i know exactly what you ripped this from. I don't really think its that good outside of it really, other pnh ftw then. Not that PnH actually stops hexway anyway =( Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:30, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- It's probably only meh outside of that build, but it still seems like it'd be pretty strongish in a balanced--GoldenStar 22:48, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- P&H kicks hexway in the balls.--72.189.85.14 23:21, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- Actually it really doesn't. Hexway wins by complete overload of hexes on like 8 people, this just cleans 1. Rawrawr Dinosaur 08:57, 11 January 2009 (EST)
- P&H kicks hexway in the balls.--72.189.85.14 23:21, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- It's probably only meh outside of that build, but it still seems like it'd be pretty strongish in a balanced--GoldenStar 22:48, 9 January 2009 (EST)
- Lol i know exactly what you ripped this from. I don't really think its that good outside of it really, other pnh ftw then. Not that PnH actually stops hexway anyway =( Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:30, 9 January 2009 (EST)
Why SoA? Rickyvantof 09:46, 10 January 2009 (EST)
- it was in borats version, altho it should probly be an optional =/ -- Gringo TALK 15:28, 10 January 2009(EST)
- Well, you've pretty much have 12 attribute points to go wherever, and SoA probably works pretty well against DoT and pressure. -- Guild of Deals 10:29, 10 January 2009 (EST)
- SoA makes damage disapear. This way you can have this monk maintain SoA on the ghost and have the prot monk keep it for othe rplayers, or vice versa--GoldenStar 10:30, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Bar
People mostly run PnH support with 1)/P skills 2)Rend+Rip+Weariness 3)AoS + SoA, drop rip or deny depending on team configuration. We should make it Mo/any, then leave slots open for optionals depending on secondary.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 13:58, 7 February 2009 (EST)
- why aren't there attributes?--Relyk 04:26, 12 February 2009 (EST)
- They depend on the rest of the bar. Tycn 04:27, 12 February 2009 (EST)
- Pretty sure you always run 12+1+1 DF though. 5 second break point gives you 6 second PnH. - (talk) 04:30, 12 February 2009 (EST)
- I prefer having half recharge on PnH, so I always use 40/40, but that's just me.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 14:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- thats why ur so bad wow. why the fuck would u need a half cast on pnh? run a 20% spear with hrt offhand..66.90.104.3 15:07, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- Lol, whoever uses 40/40 sets to trigger half cast on PnH? You are so bad and didn't read what I said before making fail comments.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 15:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)
+Enchanting too tbh ;odidn't see 20% bit Frosty po! 15:08, 17 February 2009 (EST)- He uses 40/40 to have good odds of halved recharge, not halved cast. But yeh. --—The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 15:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- You can also take the half recharge and +20%, because half cast on PnH is redundant. Rickyvantof 15:20, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- I prefer an extra chance to trigger HSR rather than the enchantment boost, plus the 40/40 set is good for getting off dual delights.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 15:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- You can also take the half recharge and +20%, because half cast on PnH is redundant. Rickyvantof 15:20, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- He uses 40/40 to have good odds of halved recharge, not halved cast. But yeh. --—The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 15:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- thats why ur so bad wow. why the fuck would u need a half cast on pnh? run a 20% spear with hrt offhand..66.90.104.3 15:07, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- I prefer having half recharge on PnH, so I always use 40/40, but that's just me.PikaFanFile:Chrismaspika sig.jpg 14:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
- Pretty sure you always run 12+1+1 DF though. 5 second break point gives you 6 second PnH. - (talk) 04:30, 12 February 2009 (EST)
- They depend on the rest of the bar. Tycn 04:27, 12 February 2009 (EST)
Optionals
Is there any reason why you couldn't feasibly go /E and take Grasping and WaF instead? 82.14.87.226 17:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- PnH needs to clean hexes from runners being snared, hard to do that and snare. FrostytheAdmin 17:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- err, i see plenty of PNH being warders. Did you forget that there are two other monks to take care of hexes?--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 23:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- PnH snaring is fucking moronic, no one does it--Goldenstar 00:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Except a lot of teams in HA. And PNH is a utility slot allowing it to be incredibly versatile, which includes snaring.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 02:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Some ppl do put snares on the PnH if they won't fit elsewhere, but ok it's not ideal. As a side note, there are probably lots of other optionals like Gift of Health you could take too. 81.109.209.32 14:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- You're observing terrible teams if you see them using pnh on a snare. no one does it--Goldenstar 14:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- Except a lot of teams in HA. And PNH is a utility slot allowing it to be incredibly versatile, which includes snaring.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 02:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- PnH snaring is fucking moronic, no one does it--Goldenstar 00:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- err, i see plenty of PNH being warders. Did you forget that there are two other monks to take care of hexes?--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 23:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Rt optionals
Aren't Splinter, Arage and Warmongers dead, and doesn't Spirit Rift just suck outside of riftspike? /Rt for Life, PwK, Resilient, Weapon of Warding maybe, but not this, come on. Dragnmn talk cont 23:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- all those skills listed are useful still. Spirit Rift "can" be useful with Warrior hammer spikes.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 02:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- They are useful, though the point about resto stuff is valid, WoW, WoS and so on work well on this, though you may need to take a zealous spear set for energy. 81.109.209.32 14:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Errr
No1 uses that as mainbar, leave optionals. although tbh, the whole bar is optional except pnh Exo Oo 21:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- And get rid of Strength of Honor, it stinks(nerf)--Tyrael-- 10:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Ele optionals
Put Glyph of Lesser Energy, Ward Against Foes and Grasping Earth at 12 Earth Magic as an optional filler? --Douche WHACK! 12:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Disregard that comment, lol I really should read before I post... --Douche WHACK! 12:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Archive
No one runs at all, triple weapon rits are much more suited to the current meta. --Frosty 15:55, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
- yea but with update coming i'd rather keep the bar here, just without a meta tag. its still a great build, and when party healing gets nerfed all we're gonna see is hexway and this will come back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 16:50, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
Dumb comment time
With all the bot mesmers and multiple copies of mind wrack and other monk hate hexes being ran, wouldn't spell breaker be a better choice? Throwing that on your heal monk seems like a lot better protection from all that than PnH, plus you still have deny for deep hex removal. - Zero.Six 17:03, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
Then you have to deal with Expunge Enchantments.Owait, this is the HA one. ToraenTheJanitor 17:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
hurr
mainbar prots and remove divine healing&heavens delight. no one really run this with monk bl anymore