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"Use Power Drain and/or Leech Signet as energy management with a small investment in Inspiration Magic if running the build on a hero." In place of what, exactly? --67.180.41.65 01:47, 7 May 2008 (EDT)General

WoH hybrid with ZB? We have a winnar! Ibreaktoilets 16:00, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

=(Ibreaktoilets 16:04, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

While ZB would work, there's already been a couple of ZB builds. WoH is still better for hero use, heals for slightly more, and doesn't harm you if you overlap. Tycn 16:10, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Thats why you give your heroes LoD. Or you just screw hero monks and use the hench ones. Heroes are needed for damage. I dont wanna spend an hour clearing an area. Asdfg 16:11, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
Scribe's Insight boonprot heroes tbh Ibreaktoilets 16:13, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
Screw dat, OoB and OoV Boonprots. Asdfg 16:13, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
Alright, you win :/ Still, I had to post this considering the alternatives. And LoD is rendered nearly useless where there's little party wide damage. Tycn 16:17, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
LoD r gud Ibreaktoilets 16:19, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
healers boon FTW! Iwan13talk 23:12, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
Using HB you either overheal or die. Asdfg 23:15, 27 August 2007 (CEST)
99% of players in DoA would disagree. =P — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 00:15, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
I use HB on my Monk in PvE. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 01:08, 28 August 2007 (CEST)
Me too, sometimes. But then I'm usually spamming Heal Party. Touching any other skill usually turns into 200 overhealed or OH SHI- too late. Asdfg 11:33, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

Bad votes

Klomi's vote: Inferior to ZB builds and LoD builds is a justified comment, but you can't support the other WoH builds - one has channeling, Mend Ailment and Heal Party, one has a superior rune, and both have orison.

Sy86's vote: The word Hybrid means you only need to bring one monk, orly? How is RoF not a self heal? Reversing a hit from a Scythe of Chaos for 116 total healing seems like a self heal to me, and is a bit better than Orison's 67, don't you think? Tycn 11:29, 28 August 2007 (CEST)

That second vote was most certainly wrong. I have removed it. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲŞƳŞŌƤ 00:58, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86 answer: I really dont, RoF is not a healing skill, and i will explain why: as long as u cannot gain a healing boost (exept for the 40-50 divine favor) without a health penalty (an attack/spell) this skill will hardly help you if u are (for some reason) at low health in the middle of a battle and are not reciving damage at the moment. Spamming Orizon instead can boost fast ur health in any situation, beacuse Orizon IS a healing skill (and u need to add the divine favor bonus, so the net heal will never be 67 but most likely 112). u made the exemple of a scithe attack, well if the opposite happens? if the attack u suffer is not 119 but 20-30 (can sometimes happen even in hard mode), is this a big heal boost? i dont think. I agree that in some situations RoF can be way better than Orizon, such as perfect anti spike (if timing is also correct), but RoF is NOT a healing skill, for consequence this build has no (sufficient) self-heal. Do u agree?

If RoF heals 30 it's already better than Orison. 30 damage means 30 prevented+30 healed which better than 60 orison (cast time, recast etc.) And if noones taking damage, why would you want to heal them? They may eventually get up with LoD spam. Asdfg 01:01, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
RoF is the standard monk heal. It is the best, most energy efficient non-elite healing skill in the game. Take a good look at it. Read what it says. It rawks. Also, monks don't need self-heals. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲŞƳŞŌƤ 01:07, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

RoF is the best skill in the entire game. if you don't like it, you suck at monking, and probably use this.

Peace and Harmony Dwayna's Kiss Heal Other Heal Party Orison of Healing Reverse Hex Healing Touch Rebirth

Skakid9090 03:14, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86 answer: No way, i use this:

Shielding Hands Signet of Removal Shield of Absorption Protective Spirit Seed of Life Glyph of Lesser Energy Aegis Blessed Aura

Sy86 When u'll be able to solo vanquish areas with heroes and hench using RoF we will talk again about that. ah, btw.... i am "Very Important" in game, so i know what i'm sayn. bb 03:14, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86 ps: quote: best nuker in teh game:

Mind Blast Rodgort's Invocation Fireball Liquid Flame Glyph of Elemental Power Meteor Shower Fire Attunement Flesh of My Flesh

gz, perfect energy management, u must be a very skilled player^^

Hey Ska, we better stop messing with him, he's very important. That means he has 15 (fifteen) titles maxed. We cant keep up with that, he knows what he's talking about. Stop it, we dont have a chance.Asdfg 12:26, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Hi, I have no titles maxed in a year of GW. Discuss. Ibreaktoilets 12:30, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
Please refrain from writing on the same page as Sy86 does. You are not worthy. Skadik however, has a maxed Vanquisher title. That allows him to argue with Sy. Asdfg 12:34, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
I have 60% Tyrian Explorer or 22/25 Protector if that helps =( Ibreaktoilets 12:36, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
Do you have 40% explored in any other campaign? Cause that'd add up and de facto give you 100% explored. Asdfg 12:39, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
Ooh. I also have 50% in Cantha, so that makes me 10% better at exploring than sy? Ibreaktoilets 12:43, 29 August 2007 (CEST)
No, you cant compete with his fifteen titles. However, you are now worthy to read his godly comments and absorb his knowledge. Asdfg 12:49, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Grow up. -.- Swiftslash \\ Impale (contributions *warrior guide) 12:52, 29 August 2007 (CEST)

Sy86: [Quote: RoF is the standard monk heal. It is the best, most energy efficient non-elite healing skill in the game. Take a good look at it. Read what it says. It rawks. Also, monks don't need self-heals.] read carefully, i never said that was a BAD skill i said that this is not a HEALING skill, it's a protection one, this is not the same thing. I think that's strange that an admin cant see the difference anyway :P for anyone who wanna contact me my IGN is -Sy Jou-

I obviously cant argue with you, as i only have 19 maxed titles =O — Skakid9090 03:23, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

My Bad Vote

I gave this build a low rating because it deserves a low rating. Lod can heal the party for a longer amount of time. ZB with gift of health has higher heals and better e-management. HB monks have heals much higher then this build and can keep going for the same amount of time because they have to heal less. Reversal of Fortune just plain sucks unless you are using it on yourselfKlomi 20:04, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

Lol@RoF sucks... ~~ User:Frvwfr2 frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 03:25, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
RoF is less effective in PvE. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 03:40, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
But still better than the alternatives. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 03:42, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
No. It's simply better than the prot alternatives in terms of healing. It's less useful when there are too many packets of damage going through your defense. Often the case is people want to carry Orison. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 03:43, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
Eh, just run Boonprots. They got me through all of the campaigns relatively unscathed. Reversal really shines in Hard Mode though. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 03:51, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
Offering of Blood owns. I don't know why it isn't in this build. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 03:52, 18 September 2007 (CEST)
I'll upload my current hero builds to PvX right now. —ǥrɩɳsɧƿoɲ 03:53, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

Oh, its pve? i guess u wouldnt WoH in pvp much anyways... --User:Frvwfr2 frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 03:43, 18 September 2007 (CEST)

RoF is a great skill to have on a PvE bar, have you seen the damage a barrage shot does from a shadow ranger in FoW? Have you seen what an Ele/Rit boss can do? RoF is and always will be far superior to Orison due to not trying to out heal the damage but prevent it plus a heal. For anyone with the urge to take Orison replace with RoF. Also I dont mind this build too much but I might drop say Guardian for GoLE for some form of energy management to counter PS. (Mr Pink57 02:33, 11 December 2007 (CET))

Do not know how to properly edit articles.

The suggestion for SoA is most definitely wrong, should be used on anyone being bashed to all hell not as a small prot like suggested. The skill is god mod in PvE and larger scale PvP.(Mr Pink57 23:31, 12 February 2008 (EST))

Dwayna's Kiss?

Patient Spirit>Dwayna's Kiss--Relyk 22:51, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Instant heals are usually better in PvE. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 19:08, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
/agree Peter 11:00, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

But Patient is a second self heal and can be cast on one player while u WoH another. (75.134.131.172 03:14, 30 June 2008 (EDT))

GoLE

With one 10 energy spell? Signet of Rejuvenation does a better job energy managing and should be on main bar. BeQuickOrBeDead 05:17, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Heroes don't always use GoLE right before a PS, so instead I gave my Mo/Me hero Channeling with 2 Insp with a +20% enchant staff. --75.83.131.85 04:31, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
So with this being taken off, how come it still shows as Mo/E instead of Mo/Any - I'll change later if I can figure it out...Hope 12:19, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Aegis?

Why not in optionals at least? You are already investing in Prot, Aegis is a great party prot for 8 man PvE. Justin6 Justing6 siggypic 23:24, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Rewrite

Someone do it plz, I CBA. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 11:54, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Word of Healing Patient Spirit Protective Spirit Shield of Absorption Dismiss Condition Cure Hex optional optional

Optionals should be e-management or some more prots/heals. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 12:08, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

It's like same bar -SoR and Dwayna's. Dwayna's vs. Patient is really preference, cos dwayna's owns when you have orders or hex heavy areas. Swiftslash \\ Impale (contributions *sandbox) 12:27, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
Optionals & variants. Of course the bars are very similar, it's just an upgrade. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 12:34, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
ok Swiftslash \\ Impale (contributions *sandbox) 15:55, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Build similarity

I can't help but notice that this build is essentially the LoD hybrid with a different elite. Cure Hex and Remove Hex are interchangeable; a slight shift in attributes is the only other alteration. Is it really necessary to keep both? 206.81.96.46 14:39, 18 December 2008 (EST)

LoD is terrible considering you have UA and HB. Plus LoD serves a different purpose from WoH.Lightningbolt siguɐɟɐʞıd 12:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Dwayna's Sorrow?

I use Dwayna's Sorrow in place of Dismiss Condition when I play with a Foul Feasting bomber. It works amazingly well, and I think it might be a good note to add, but is this too situational to add to the build? 74.129.74.127 09:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Put it in variants.Lightningbolt siguɐɟɐʞıd 12:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Not according to Anet. Have they EVER had a healing monk that removed condis???

Hero AI

Is it just me, or does the Hero AI fucking suck at managing high cost, low recharge prot skills like Prot Spirit or SB? Whenever I run Prot Spirit on a hero, I have to disable it and micro manage. 68.51.95.206 21:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

i have noticed no problems with regards to e-management. unless im fighting like...3 mobs at once. Funkopotomis 02:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Heros throw it on whoever's gettin hit, sometimes they try to use them to heal. Zyke-Sig
I only have that problems when I use a hero monk and there's a minion master in the party. They're probably shooting Prot Spirit on the minions. 76.202.249.205 02:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
you cannot control that, just disable hte skills until your actualy in a fight i guessUnrealSignature1 02:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

SS nerf

Take it out of the mainbar?--Tyrael-- 09:36, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yup, agreed. Back to GoLE I guess.84.24.33.121 18:51, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

SS still saves more energy than GoLE MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:56, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I have been healing my Sabway necros with this build since the update. I realize it is easy healing Sabway teams but I notice it is less effective now but still usable if you pick your spot when to use it. I am leaning to replacing it with Signet of Rejuvenation or GoLE--Cancerman66 23:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Should not be mainbar any more tbh -Tyrael- Boo for you 21:31, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Major Rune

An anonymous user changed the minor heal rune to major. That seems bad to me. Is there any good reason for it? If not, it should be changed back to minor. --War_Pig5 04:58, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it. It should have been a minor. Also, one of the notes was bullshit. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 05:05, 29 November 2009

No patient

Why? Digitalfear 13:04, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

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Thoughts? --DANDY ^_^ -- 19:19, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hero build?

Heroes do not use Sunspear rank skills. remove from that category please.--MP5navy 19:42, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

there is a hero variant if you didnt notice --Novii 19:48, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
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