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why masochism if you aren't saccing?
 
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:Enchantment Spell. For 10...34...40 seconds, you have +2 to your Death Magic and Soul Reaping attributes and sacrifice 5...3...3% of your maximum Health when you cast a spell. [[User:Novii|<font color="Lime"><span style="font-family:Papyrus;">'''«No'''</span></font>]][[User_talk:Novii|<font color="Black"><span style="font-family:Papyrus;">'''vii«'''</span></font>]] 23:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

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You should add a link to Team - Triple Necro Vanquish as the third necro build exactly uses this setup. JoE554 07:27, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Lol @ PvXJing's vote

Just lol. Rickyvantof 00:55, 5 March 2008 (EST)

"Heroes tend to suck at minion bombing." OMFG TELL ME ABOUT IT! I ran this on Koss and he sucked up a fucking storm! - zomg! Panic sig PANIC! 05:15, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Possibly most epic thing ever said, Panic. Rusty 06:03, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
I KNO RITE!? Rickyvantof 10:48, 5 March 2008 (EST)
To be competely serious, though, about 88% of all heroes do suck at Minion Bombing. Seeing as how only 3 of the 25 are actually Necros... <_< - zomg! Panic sig PANIC! 11:01, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Yes, if you want to be completely retarded and run this on anything but a necro. --click moar Mafaraxas 12:32, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Seems that PvXJing does want to. - zomg! Panic sig PANIC! 13:14, 5 March 2008 (EST)

I'd run this on a Warrior, just for kicks. Rickyvantof 12:41, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Ritualists>Necros. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:18, 5 March 2008 (EST)
It's a bomber... Soul Reaping > Spawning Power. - zomg! Panic sig PANIC! 13:21, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Also, more minions = more bombing. Rickyvantof 01:04, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Hero Notes

"For heroes, replace the superior Death rune with a minor Death rune." With heroes it's especially important to use 16 Death Magic, as they don't have 10 minions they'll keep spamming animate, regardless of the fact that they can never attain 10. Also, under optional slots, you need more skill options from other professions! /Mo or /Rt pwn on bombers:) Everlong 17:16, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Less than 500 health on heroes is bad. Especially in HM. --click moar Mafaraxas 18:20, 6 March 2008 (EST)
There are ways of using a Superior Rune on Heroes, like with two Fortitude mods. I'd probably use a Spear of Fortitude with "I Have the Power!" and a Death Magic Focus of Fortitude. The extra max energy and reduced casting time, recharge and even + attribute mods aren't that important. -Mike 18:36, 6 March 2008 (EST)
MM's without superior Runes aren't that great. 10 Minions make practically a Berlin Wall, and I doubt people will be attacking you. --GoD Sig3GuildofDeals 07:36, 8 March 2008 (EST)
10 minions vs. 9 minions is less of an impact than the health difference, imo. From my experience, shit always goes for the MM first in HM, and once his DP is > 30, he's kind of screwed. So it's best to avoid that as much as possible. --click moar Mafaraxas 14:15, 8 March 2008 (EST)
It's a matter of personal preference, we could add something about it in the Notes or something. -Mike 15:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Couldn't you add Taste of Death and spam it in order to wipe your minions on will?

Optional ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 18:14, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Another Thing

I think the nature ritual Pestilence would combine very well with this build (although probably carried by another team-member). There probably won't be any conditions on your team and once you find the minion which is getting all your team's conditions, you can kill it. Most of the enemies will probably already have conditions on them, so you're creating even more devastation. Just a thought :D Konradishes 18:04, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, it's a good skill to take if your team is condition-heavy. Otherwise it's just not worth it. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 01:31, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Build:N/Mo Supportive Minion Master

They're very similar, and even cover most of each others' variants. Wut do we do? -Mike 18:15, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

WATCH PORN? ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 18:19, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Srsly though, that above build used to have Flesh Golem untill Rapta changed it. If any, the above build should be deleted for merging. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 18:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
I agree, because this build is generalized, and doesn't restrict you to a Monk Secondary. Also, porn doesn't solve everything, but it's very close. -Mike 18:23, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Yes it does. It does in fact solve everything. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 18:25, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Even hunger and poverty, if only we could get Porn to the people that need it most... -Mike 18:27, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Yes :( ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 18:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)


3 Questions

Why isn't dark bond included in the variants or even the default setup? It seems like the perfect skill for the build. Also, why should heroes only have a minor death rune instead of superior? Lastly, wouldn't a different elite be of greater use in PvE such as tainted flesh or Reaper's Mark? You could even use a support elite like BiP if you just take a few points from soul reaping. Seems like jagged bones is not very useful compared to what else would take up the elite slot.Narcotic 01:34, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Heroes are very good with Jagged Bones/Death Nova; free minions in the middle of battle = more boom, which is better than mediocre degen from the elites you suggested. Heroes are bad with BiP. More health for heroes (minor instead of superior) = much better survival, especially since this is a high-priority target for the AI in HM, and having ten lv. 14 minions instead of nine lv. 12 minions isn't going to get you through a vanquish nearly as well as having an MM without death penalty. --Mafaraxas (talkcontribs) 02:04, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
I suppose you could run a superior if you have lots of defense, like an imbagon and more than avarage healers, but it's still risky. Hero AI still is rather bad. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 12:31, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Rit variant?

Could there be a decent rit variant to this build using explosive growth + AotL? It would be devastating Imo.--81.151.112.243 17:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It's been done and it's not bad. They have several problems though, because rits have a harder time with e-management, can't have 16 death magic (which is nice with AotL), and the enchantments they typically use from Spawning have 2 second cast times which makes them a pain. KJ badge sig 17:08, 11 June 2009

Putrid Bile in Variants?

If Putrid Bile is in the build already, why put it in the Variants? That doesn't make sense to me.

IT'S SO EPICALLY POWERFUL YOU JUST HAVE TO CONSIDER BRINGING IT TWICE! Also, it's because people have edited the build so much and do lazy work. Fix those yourself when you come upon them. ---Chaos- 18:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Putrid Flesh

Why not? Norwegian Thunder 08:57, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Because it's bad :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:31, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
It kills a minion (one with death nova?!), gives everyone and their mother four pips of degen, and pays for itself with soul reaping. How is it bad? Norwegian Thunder 23:29, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
Because it's degen in PvE when you could just use that slot to take something that will actually kill quickly. Your minions will die anyways because that's the point of the bomber, so it's really quite useless. Shazzydiddles 23:58, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, thanks. Norwegian Thunder 04:36, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Through the PvX vetting system, it has reached an overall rating in the range from

4.75 to 5.0 and thus qualifies for the highest category of working builds: Great. but does anyone actually run this with discordway being the pve meta? (I know they said something about nerfing offensive defensive midliners, but still)That Unknown guy 14:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Are you...kidding? I'd always, always run sabway variants over discordway. - AthrunFeya - 15:01, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Also whether it is run or not should not influence the rating of the build. A good build is good regardless of how many pugs use it. - AthrunFeya - 15:11, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not saying whether the build being run or not should influence the rating of the build, I'm just pointing out that there are plenty of (pvp) builds that were archived because they fell out of flavor. so if a MM isn't ran by anyone, it shouldn't be here, but in the archives (it's being run though). granted, sabway has some uses over discordway, but if your minions aren't targeting the right target (Barbs, MoP) then the whole idea is useless. also, Discord (spike damage) over 1 additional minion (Jagged Bones) doesn't seem really all that weird to me. but then again, I don't have a fancy pvxwiki page. That Unknown guy 18:20, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Stuff in PvP 'falls out of favour' because a new meta comes along making current builds obsolete, you have to keep up with the people you're against. In PvE that doesn't happen, enemies very rarely change, builds only become or lose meta status due to skill buffs or nerfs (or new skills are added to the game). The problem with Discordway is that you instantly lose hero flexibility since most your attribute points are sitting in soul reaping or death magic and the player bars are usually very mundane and don't work particularly well with martial professions. Notice I put sabway variants - I usually drop the SS for Build:Rt/any SoS Channeling Rit - putting Barbs and MoP on a hero is a bit of a waste of energy. - AthrunFeya - 18:44, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Took time to view your page, you really digg sabway don't you? :) well I guess I'll surrender. for me, all N/* who don't use curses, blood or death magic are basically exploiting the whole SR thing, but because of e.g. a N/Rt healer's 'greatness' (energy management is >>> that of a Mo/E / Mo/Me) I still run my healers as N/Rt. the whole death magic part is right, though I still think the starting up with a discordway team is easier and surviving without minions is on discordway also better (since you can force heroes to discord by pressing 7,8 & 9 on your numpad in my setup) as you can spikekill something which the necro's also gain energy from. That Unknown guy 19:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

why masochism if you aren't saccing?

Enchantment Spell. For 10...34...40 seconds, you have +2 to your Death Magic and Soul Reaping attributes and sacrifice 5...3...3% of your maximum Health when you cast a spell. «Novii« 23:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)