Okay, now for some constructive criticism of the new build. Starting with the name... any better ideas? - AthrunFeya - 22:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
- think of names as the easiest way for people to find a build. If someone wants to find this, it should be something like TPIY Daggers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 22:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
- Something like 'Power Dagger Para' >.>Digitalfear 22:13, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Blazing Finale :o? Or am i just bad? «Novii« 22:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
- Not enough room on the bar, plus it's not really a great choice. Life Guardian 00:05, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
This might work with zealous daggers... even with that your ias is terrible without being drunk. Oh yeah have fun with the 2 energy regen (1 with zealous daggers). If you are blinded or blocked, you can't gain energy as efficiently and your regen is bad, so TNTF becomes annoying to reach. Maybe wild spear? Also, if you have GFTE and TPIY, have you tried aggressive refrain?Idk what is with the inundation of "unique" *cough* paragon builds lately. It seems like people are /desperate/ for non-imbagon pve paragon builds; good luck. Rikk Panda 01:14, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- You're running GftE + TPIY on <1s attack intervals. There is no way you would have energy problems with this. --
01:17, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- This is actually plausible now that they have taken away the recharge for GFTE.--Ikimono "...And my axe!"
03:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- This is actually plausible now that they have taken away the recharge for GFTE.--Ikimono "...And my axe!"
- leave rikk alone, he's naturally bad, and rikk, read the archive. has amazing e-management for a para so stfu. also its great--Bluetapeboy 01:26, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- AR gives you 60AL (or 70 with cents) AL at most times, which is real bad at front line. With TPIY's up you have 2 regen and zealous, and also, 2 spammable shouts = lolenergy on a paragon.
- And another think with this chain the IAS isn't that big of a deal tbh. --Frosty
03:00, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- AL matters in PvE? -- 04:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- PvX seems to think so. Too bad they're lolwrong. Life Guardian 04:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually they wouldn't be completely wrong, especially if you're into semi-pulling and tanking stuff, which I do often in HM. There isn't really a significant difference between 15% or 25% ias on a dagger build (if you really think thats an issue you'd use alcohol), at least not enough to warrant perma cracked armor. - AthrunFeya - 09:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- PvX seems to think so. Too bad they're lolwrong. Life Guardian 04:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- AL matters in PvE? --
frosty didnt we make an HA build using these a while ago? happen to have that saved? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 04:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
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<3 --Frosty 
11:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- needs more finale of restoration :( Brandnew 12:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
- i would never put anthem of fury in a build, you saved the wrong version :( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 19:33, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
i tried this with a PvP paragon on the mob with allies and enemies, and this was great. w? zealous daggers there was no such thing as "energy" i spammed shouts so much there was no such thing as "energy" as you can spam your attacks thoughtlessly, but you also have to mash the shout buttons.--Bluetapeboy 21:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Actually
This could be a working (not great or even close to it, and not an alternative I would pick to just using a spear) build if it was an absolute necessity. The PvE stance helps with IAS but requires drunkedness for maximum effectiveness. Using Aggressive Refrain would be another route for an unstrippable IAS source as it is easy to keep up with TPIY and GFTE. The armor actually is annoying in pve, and you can go look up all the Armor vs. Health debates if you want to, such as QQ's old one and other variations, but 60 armor daggers is definitely flaunting on the edge of silliness in all respects. Of course if you do use AR with heroes and henchman (I assume this because any player would probably kick you from his/her party after discovering you were a Dagger Paragon) then they will blow their energy on removing the cracked armor that is reapplied every second or so. I'm sure the rest falls into place after that I'm tired of typing. Rikk Panda 00:52, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
- hmm, what was that paragraph in aid of exactly? issue was resolved, drunken is still quite good without alcohol and AR has been put in variants. The damage of this build is so much better than any spear build, especially when combined with the right heroes - AthrunFeya - 00:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)