Archive 1

Okay, now for some constructive criticism of the new build. Starting with the name... any better ideas? - AthrunFeya - 22:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

think of names as the easiest way for people to find a build. If someone wants to find this, it should be something like TPIY Daggers. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 22:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Something like 'Power Dagger Para' >.>Digitalfear 22:13, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the new name is cool Tyrael Life Sheath Undead! 22:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blazing Finale :o? Or am i just bad? «Novii« 22:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Not enough room on the bar, plus it's not really a great choice. Life Guardian 00:05, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

This might work with zealous daggers... even with that your ias is terrible without being drunk. Oh yeah have fun with the 2 energy regen (1 with zealous daggers). If you are blinded or blocked, you can't gain energy as efficiently and your regen is bad, so TNTF becomes annoying to reach. Maybe wild spear? Also, if you have GFTE and TPIY, have you tried aggressive refrain?Idk what is with the inundation of "unique" *cough* paragon builds lately. It seems like people are /desperate/ for non-imbagon pve paragon builds; good luck. Rikk Panda 01:14, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

You're running GftE + TPIY on <1s attack intervals. There is no way you would have energy problems with this. --Shazamrowssig 01:17, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
This is actually plausible now that they have taken away the recharge for GFTE.--Ikimono "...And my axe!"Monk-Paragon-icon 03:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
leave rikk alone, he's naturally bad, and rikk, read the archive. has amazing e-management for a para so stfu. also its great--Bluetapeboy 01:26, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Rikk's arguments usually make a decent amount of sense tbh. Life Guardian 02:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
AR gives you 60AL (or 70 with cents) AL at most times, which is real bad at front line. With TPIY's up you have 2 regen and zealous, and also, 2 spammable shouts = lolenergy on a paragon.
And another think with this chain the IAS isn't that big of a deal tbh. --Frosty Frostcharge 03:00, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
AL matters in PvE? --Shazamrowssig 04:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
PvX seems to think so. Too bad they're lolwrong. Life Guardian 04:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Actually they wouldn't be completely wrong, especially if you're into semi-pulling and tanking stuff, which I do often in HM. There isn't really a significant difference between 15% or 25% ias on a dagger build (if you really think thats an issue you'd use alcohol), at least not enough to warrant perma cracked armor. - AthrunFeya - 09:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

frosty didnt we make an HA build using these a while ago? happen to have that saved? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 04:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Jagged Strike Fox Fangs Death Blossom Exhausting Assault Nine Tail Strike &quot;The Power Is Yours!&quot; Aggressive Refrain Resurrection Signet
Jagged Strike Fox Fangs Death Blossom Exhausting Assault Nine Tail Strike &quot;The Power Is Yours!&quot; Aggressive Refrain Resurrection Signet
Jagged Strike Fox Fangs Death Blossom Exhausting Assault Nine Tail Strike &quot;The Power Is Yours!&quot; Aggressive Refrain Resurrection Signet
Spear of Lightning Vicious Attack &quot;Go for the Eyes!&quot; Energizing Finale Chorus of Restoration Song of Purification Aggressive Refrain Mending Refrain
Spear of Lightning Vicious Attack &quot;Go for the Eyes!&quot; Song of Concentration Anthem of Envy Crippling Anthem Aggressive Refrain Signet of Return
Spear of Lightning Vicious Attack &quot;Go for the Eyes!&quot; Hasty Refrain Anthem of Flame Anthem of Fury Aggressive Refrain Signet of Return
Spirit Bond Aegis Life Sheath Guardian Shield of Absorption Aura of Stability Holy Veil Channeling
Infuse Health Patient Spirit Dwayna&#039;s Kiss Heal Party Cure Hex Healer&#039;s Boon Power Drain Channeling

<3 --Frosty Frostcharge 11:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

needs more finale of restoration :( Brandnew 12:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
Anet screwed finale of restoration Tyrael Life Sheath Undead! 13:27, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
It's funny that this version actually has better energy managment than an assassin... Tyrael Life Sheath Undead! 14:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
i would never put anthem of fury in a build, you saved the wrong version :( The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 19:33, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
I can asure you this was the version we had in TB, it wasn't really perfected. --Frosty Frostcharge 02:57, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

i tried this with a PvP paragon on the mob with allies and enemies, and this was great. w? zealous daggers there was no such thing as "energy" i spammed shouts so much there was no such thing as "energy" as you can spam your attacks thoughtlessly, but you also have to mash the shout buttons.--Bluetapeboy 21:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


This could be a working (not great or even close to it, and not an alternative I would pick to just using a spear) build if it was an absolute necessity. The PvE stance helps with IAS but requires drunkedness for maximum effectiveness. Using Aggressive Refrain would be another route for an unstrippable IAS source as it is easy to keep up with TPIY and GFTE. The armor actually is annoying in pve, and you can go look up all the Armor vs. Health debates if you want to, such as QQ's old one and other variations, but 60 armor daggers is definitely flaunting on the edge of silliness in all respects. Of course if you do use AR with heroes and henchman (I assume this because any player would probably kick you from his/her party after discovering you were a Dagger Paragon) then they will blow their energy on removing the cracked armor that is reapplied every second or so. I'm sure the rest falls into place after that I'm tired of typing. Rikk Panda 00:52, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

hmm, what was that paragraph in aid of exactly? issue was resolved, drunken is still quite good without alcohol and AR has been put in variants. The damage of this build is so much better than any spear build, especially when combined with the right heroes - AthrunFeya - 00:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Was not to the aid of anything or to the dismay of anything else. I posted it though. So apparently people will see it. I can see it would work with echoes well, and if the person playing it is happy with drunken then so be it.Rikk Panda 01:05, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
First 2 skills are .5 sec activation, a great ias isn't "that" necessary. Armor doesn't matter, lern2Prot Spirit. Plus it's 70 with centurions. This build will do so much more damage than a spear it's ridiculous. Life Guardian 01:08, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
why would you want to play a bloody paragon anyways..... sin is way better... crit strikes... and u get a free elite spot and free secondary profession for ias spot... i really dont see the point here... i also cant see the point why you can solo slaverz but still this game is going no where:L-- 09:27, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


How well does this work on heroes? Anyone tested? They wouldn't be able to use dwarven, but that isn't much of an issue because they could use aggressive (also needs testing) or no ias at all. If they spam TPIY enough with GFTE I was thinking running it with another hero motigon with Finale of Resto to trigger is a lot. Also frees up player spot for imbagon.Rikk Panda 20:17, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


finale of restoration on a hero, micro it, cast it only on yourself, and the point of having 60 armro is irrelevant. you heal out all the damage. and the point of "why would i run a para? sins are better" first off, you would run this if you didnt need/already had an imbagon. "well if u have an imbagon already why not run a sin" because im trying to do stuffs on my para. lol.--Bluetapeboy 21:31, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

saying that this is worse compared to sin because of crit strikes, see GFTE! you get crits al the time w/ it. dunno what ur tlakin about.--Bluetapeboy 21:32, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
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