Talk: P/A Dagger Spammer

Archive 1

Okay, now for some constructive criticism of the new build. Starting with the name... any better ideas? - AthrunFeya - 22:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

think of names as the easiest way for people to find a build. If someone wants to find this, it should be something like TPIY Daggers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 22:10, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Something like 'Power Dagger Para' >.>Digitalfear 22:13, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the new name is cool Tyrael Undead! 22:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blazing Finale :o? Or am i just bad? «Novii« 22:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Not enough room on the bar, plus it's not really a great choice. Life Guardian 00:05, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

This might work with zealous daggers... even with that your ias is terrible without being drunk. Oh yeah have fun with the 2 energy regen (1 with zealous daggers). If you are blinded or blocked, you can't gain energy as efficiently and your regen is bad, so TNTF becomes annoying to reach. Maybe wild spear? Also, if you have GFTE and TPIY, have you tried aggressive refrain?Idk what is with the inundation of "unique" *cough* paragon builds lately. It seems like people are /desperate/ for non-imbagon pve paragon builds; good luck. Rikk Panda 01:14, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

You're running GftE + TPIY on <1s attack intervals. There is no way you would have energy problems with this. -- 01:17, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

This is actually plausible now that they have taken away the recharge for GFTE.--Ikimono "...And my axe!" 03:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

leave rikk alone, he's naturally bad, and rikk, read the archive. has amazing e-management for a para so stfu. also its great--Bluetapeboy 01:26, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Rikk's arguments usually make a decent amount of sense tbh. Life Guardian 02:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

AR gives you 60AL (or 70 with cents) AL at most times, which is real bad at front line. With TPIY's up you have 2 regen and zealous, and also, 2 spammable shouts = lolenergy on a paragon.

And another think with this chain the IAS isn't that big of a deal tbh. --Frosty 03:00, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

AL matters in PvE? -- 04:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

PvX seems to think so. Too bad they're lolwrong. Life Guardian 04:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Actually they wouldn't be completely wrong, especially if you're into semi-pulling and tanking stuff, which I do often in HM. There isn't really a significant difference between 15% or 25% ias on a dagger build (if you really think thats an issue you'd use alcohol), at least not enough to warrant perma cracked armor. - AthrunFeya - 09:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

frosty didnt we make an HA build using these a while ago? happen to have that saved? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 04:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

<3 --Frosty 11:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

needs more finale of restoration :( Brandnew 12:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Anet screwed finale of restoration Tyrael Undead! 13:27, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's funny that this version actually has better energy managment than an assassin... Tyrael Undead! 14:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

i would never put anthem of fury in a build, you saved the wrong version :( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gringo (talk • contribs) (UTC). 19:33, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I can asure you this was the version we had in TB, it wasn't really perfected. --Frosty 02:57, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

i tried this with a PvP paragon on the mob with allies and enemies, and this was great. w? zealous daggers there was no such thing as "energy" i spammed shouts so much there was no such thing as "energy" as you can spam your attacks thoughtlessly, but you also have to mash the shout buttons.--Bluetapeboy 21:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

you should run it. Would be fun to see/play Exo Oo 17:21, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Actually

This could be a working (not great or even close to it, and not an alternative I would pick to just using a spear) build if it was an absolute necessity. The PvE stance helps with IAS but requires drunkedness for maximum effectiveness. Using Aggressive Refrain would be another route for an unstrippable IAS source as it is easy to keep up with TPIY and GFTE. The armor actually is annoying in pve, and you can go look up all the Armor vs. Health debates if you want to, such as QQ's old one and other variations, but 60 armor daggers is definitely flaunting on the edge of silliness in all respects. Of course if you do use AR with heroes and henchman (I assume this because any player would probably kick you from his/her party after discovering you were a Dagger Paragon) then they will blow their energy on removing the cracked armor that is reapplied every second or so. I'm sure the rest falls into place after that I'm tired of typing. Rikk Panda 00:52, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

hmm, what was that paragraph in aid of exactly? issue was resolved, drunken is still quite good without alcohol and AR has been put in variants. The damage of this build is so much better than any spear build, especially when combined with the right heroes - AthrunFeya - 00:58, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Was not to the aid of anything or to the dismay of anything else. I posted it though. So apparently people will see it. I can see it would work with echoes well, and if the person playing it is happy with drunken then so be it.Rikk Panda 01:05, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

First 2 skills are .5 sec activation, a great ias isn't "that" necessary. Armor doesn't matter, lern2Prot Spirit. Plus it's 70 with centurions. This build will do so much more damage than a spear it's ridiculous. Life Guardian 01:08, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

why would you want to play a bloody paragon anyways..... sin is way better... crit strikes... and u get a free elite spot and free secondary profession for ias spot... i really dont see the point here... i also cant see the point why you can solo slaverz but still this game is going no where:L--86.162.97.156 09:27, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Shame you can't reroll in PvE. If you want titles (for whatever strange reason) on a paragon, you sadly are forced to play a paragon, so might as well make the most of it. - AthrunFeya - 17:24, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Might as well call it "Drunk Shouting Brawler" or something along that line. Nothing like someone getting drunk, shouting stuff, and getting into fistfights (funnier if using brass knuckles). -- WhiteAsIce 03:56, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Heroes

How well does this work on heroes? Anyone tested? They wouldn't be able to use dwarven, but that isn't much of an issue because they could use aggressive (also needs testing) or no ias at all. If they spam TPIY enough with GFTE I was thinking running it with another hero motigon with Finale of Resto to trigger is a lot. Also frees up player spot for imbagon.Rikk Panda 20:17, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Aggressive has to be microed, and they generally dont deal too well with dagger chains - AthrunFeya - 23:19, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

run

finale of restoration on a hero, micro it, cast it only on yourself, and the point of having 60 armro is irrelevant. you heal out all the damage. and the point of "why would i run a para? sins are better" first off, you would run this if you didnt need/already had an imbagon. "well if u have an imbagon already why not run a sin" because im trying to do stuffs on my para. lol.--Bluetapeboy 21:31, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

saying that this is worse compared to sin because of crit strikes, see GFTE! you get crits al the time w/ it. dunno what ur tlakin about.--Bluetapeboy 21:32, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Uh so to use Agg refrain, you need another hero? Just to maintain finale of restoration? That seems to me like a char spot wasted (of course not at all, but you can take better options). Also, 60 AL in frontline means instand KO's unless protted. Some big heals won't help u that much. I think your better off with a monk casting PS/SB on uSebv2727 13:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Idk why people are saying that this has more armor than a sin when the sin has Critical Agility... -- WhiteAsIce 08:42, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

because theres a primary class called the PARAGON also assassin isnt the only primary class. if u want to play assassin go play it, u wanna play a paragon run imbagon or this nuffsaid now go back to your own life kthxbai --211.26.200.91 11:50, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

lulwut. anyway, the sin build is prone to enchant strip etc. - AthrunFeya - 11:55, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sneak Attack

Might work as a nice lead to blind, I realize it's not as spammable as Jagged but a variant. Mr Pink57 00:55, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Spammable is the whole point, to keep tpiy up :p also your name is familiar, do you know Tsuki Hitotsu? - AthrunFeya - 00:59, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

soothing images

soothing images is a pain in the ass for an imbagon. however with this they dont even cast it on you which is so full of win. when i first tested this i was vanqing in nf on an imbagon soothing images rapes it. so i tried this out and much to my surprise the ai doesnt use this on u ever! i think it should be noted on the page if vq a place with alot of ibogas to use this over an imbagon. tl;dr if ibogas are present this > imbagon Uraniumjoint 00:28, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

or just wield daggers on your imba while they're around - strong. - AthrunFeya - 11:59, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

oh yes such a great idea...not. they still know and cast it on you, pls play the game and not theorycraft lame answers kthnx baiUraniumjoint 20:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oh the irony of that statement..... Karate Jesus 20:56, 15 February 2010

lol /fail Exo Oo 21:23, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

LAWL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Supernick530 (talk • contribs) .

I have not tested this and I doubt I shall, however I would think that soothing images is cast on the player if they are using attack skills that use adrenaline. If the attack skills use energy it won't be cast. I mean, how often do you see a ranger, dervish, or assassin get hit with soothing images. I could be horribly wrong but it sounds like the AI use Soothing Images in that manner.--Jarad 23:30, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's more likely to be based on the type of weapon you're wielding. This is the case in other places in gws (eg, things only cast chaos storm on you if you're wielding a staff/wand, regardless of skills). So if you're wielding a spear, hammer, axe or sword this will probably happen - AthrunFeya - 00:11, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

As Athrun said, AI bases target priority for certain skills on what type of weapon that target is wielding. For example, if you use a caster spear, you'll often get anti-physical skills cast on you even if you're a caster. Basically, GW AI is pretty stupid most of the time. Karate Jesus 01:23, 16 February 2010

lol, that it is. I guess I should check out soothing images with a warrior's endurance build since that would be a good indicator. --Jarad 18:13, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

as a side note, if soothing images is based on weapon type, then just go with a short bow on your imba to keep your range. =) --Jarad 18:15, February 16, 2010 (UTC)