Build talk:P/W Imbagon

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• i did a bit of cleaning, hope you dont mind :D Stefyvolt 04:33, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Meaningless edit warring

If you're going to change the main bar, you need to change the rest of the page as well. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 10:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Sorry for that, I had very little time to edit this last time. --Anonimous. 10:57, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Then don't. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:58, 5 December 2008 (EST)

I added "known as imbagon" =D--ChristmasRelyk 11:05, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Already in build description, nooblet. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:06, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Derrr it wasn't at the top, which is why i added it QQ--ChristmasRelyk 11:07, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Changes/Updates.

Updated/Improved build content. There is little need in AoF and GfTE in non-physical based party which is very common and even in that case those skills are carried around by another character or have minor importance at all. You primary goal with this build is maximum ability to mantain SY at all time. FGJ allows you to have constant stream of increased adrenalline which leads to better job done and great energy management as well. With more powerfully specced two attacks you have higher dps. Command attribute was lowered to 7 to meet the requrement of shield. Equipment was updated. Added larger variety of insignia and rune choices, added mention of very important +1+3 leadership headpiece and rune of clarity. r7 shield was added. Larger variety of spears was added. High energy staff for AR was added. -20% shield mod was added, very important against low duration blinds. You are probably going to revert it because of lack of talk page drama, game knowledge/expirience and your general lack of common sense or more harshely said autism but I ensist. --Anonimous. 11:06, 5 December 2008 (EST)

I don't have an r7 15 AL Shield, and don't feel like buying one like 80% of the pvxwiki users, tbh. Yes, we generally expect the best from equipment like a Rune of Superior Vigor, but low req weapons are less common and more expensive. Also, anyone that does buy an r7 15 AL Shield will probably use Orders, so Spear of Lightning won't be a great attack skill because of the damage type conversion. The bar does look better, though, tbh, but Spear of Lightning should be dropped and the r7 Shield is asking too much, imo. ــмıкεнaшк 11:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)

lol ur funny anonimous, those are all variant skills, u need anthem of flame on main bar so nubs can keep up aggressive refrain--ChristmasRelyk 11:10, 5 December 2008 (EST)

To Mike:

If, 80% of pvxwiki cant afford r7 15AL shield (which is not expensive at all) doesnt mean that rest of gw community should. r7 15AL is the ideal equipment for this build, articles need to be kept to high standard. I will mention what to do if you dont have the shield in note section.

Good player would run Swift Jevelin in case of running with and orders hero or aegis chain. That is no rul;e though so generally SoL is better. I think of adding an optional slot of both though.

To Relyk:

You dont need to mantain AR outside of battle if the running time exceeds ~40-60 seconds. You can mantain it using +1+3 leadership headpiece and FGJ/Tntf very well if you want to as well as not losing ammount of dps. --Anonimous. 11:43, 5 December 2008 (EST)

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to change this. The previous version was lolworthy. AoF, GftE... anyone who thinks those are good skills on an imbagon does not play one. Anyway, may I suggest "Fall Back" as an optional. I realize it doesn't help combat-wise, but it makes keeping up AR ridiculously easy, and you almost never have to wait around for TNtF to recharge. Also, zoom zoom in PvE is ftw. --Thc 12:00, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Would not run Fall Back myself but it is worthy of optional section. --Anonimous. 12:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)

can i ask, why even bother having points in command? you've dropped "GFtE!", so you're bar doesn't make use of command at all, other than the shield. Tbh it would make mroe sense to drop your points into leadership, and just wing it with a shield. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:17, 5 December 2008 (EST)

15AL shield makes quite a difference from 0 spec shield. Having one more point in spear mastery is more important than having one less AL in your shield. --Anonimous. 12:25, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Revert war

Do let's ^^ ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:10, 5 December 2008 (EST)

go ananimous go!--ChristmasRelyk 11:12, 5 December 2008 (EST)

(EC) XD Before we get into a million edits and reverts, we should probably come to a consensus for the main bar. I usually run:

ــмıкεнaшк 11:13, 5 December 2008 (EST)

You can take a res for that matter. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:14, 5 December 2008 (EST)

SHUT UP RES ARE FOR THE WEAK! --Anonimous. 12:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)

yeah you could, but really, you're playing an imbagon. if you wind up being the last man standing, then /ragequit.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 12:36, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Basically because i cba to go through eotn again. Usually take a Charge warrior, too. --Mafaraxas (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Vicious Attack

Blows a lot of chunks without GftE. Swap it out for merciless tbh. -Auron 05:09, 6 December 2008 (EST)

or since you're probably already going to have lots of deep wound in the common meta, and Merciless spear is a giant tub of ass on paragon primaries, use Spear of Fury. Highest damage spear attack in the game, nets you adrenaline, quick casting speed.--72.189.85.14 05:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)

And sacrifices ebon standard, which makes the skill's bonus damage look like a joke. Oh, and you'd still have a slot, since you had to dump the best skill on the bar for a subpar pve skill. Really not a smart idea. -Auron 05:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Meh mostly just to spam attacks, its interchangeable, but most people use gfte anyways--ChristmasRelyk 05:29, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Why we're dropping Anthem of Flame or Weariness I don't know, it's a hell of a lot more useful for keeping up AR outside of battle then wasting TNtF on it. And bring Spear of Lightning or Swift Javelin over Vicious. As Auron said, it blows big chunks without GftE-- Guild of Deals 07:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)

To Auron:

Your coment shows exactly how bad pvfail is.

On blank piece of paper you look at vicious attack with gtfe! IT GIVES YOU ALMOST CERTAIN CHANCE TO APPLY DEEP WOUND WOW AMAZING!!!!!! That was on piece of blank paper, you fail to see costs of having it on actual build. To have that combo on this build means drop skill that can apply 80-100 damage you can use again to have higher chance to deal 100 damage that you can benefit from only once. That is having less DPS and adrenalline sink against having higher DPS and obviously winning the game.

You may argue that GftE! is energy management but I crush that argument right away. SY! is being charged in 3-4 spear hits providing you with steady stream of energy with high ranks in leadership. What GtfE! would only do is take away adrenalline lowering your SY! spam efficiency. --Anonimous. 12:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)

This isn't tagged as a team build. Feel free to add a comment that GftE is required on another member of the team. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:41, 6 December 2008 (EST)

It is not required in general. --Anonimous. 12:53, 6 December 2008 (EST)

You do not want to take GftE, especially in areas with lots of blocking. Theorycraft is nice (lol charge in 2 hits so EZ), but that's not always the case. Some mobs have Aegis and Dark Fury is NOT up all the time. GftE is the last thing you'd want on your bar. --67.49.147.14 20:54, 6 December 2008 (EST)

For idiots who revert 7 command

Understand that you are not good enough to afford req 7 15AL, doesnt mean you should keep article in poor state for Guild Wars community to laugh. --Anonimous. 13:16, 6 December 2008 (EST)

More people have req9 shields dude...-- Liger414 talk 13:18, 6 December 2008 (EST)

people =/= good people. --Anonimous. 13:19, 6 December 2008 (EST)

So pvxwiki is aiming at the top 10% of pve'ers who probably never look at this site anyway cause its terrible, get a grip. --Frosty 13:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)

But PvX = Elitest no? So he actually makes a fair point. Brandnew. 13:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

I find it funny that people see PvX as some sort of dictatorship: "What this build says is how everybody must run it!" The attributes, like many many other things, considering this build, are interchangable and have a high amount of variants. Stop acting like builds on PvX (as written down, not considering variants) are the only way a build can be ran. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

(EC ×4)look, we do say you should expect people to have all skilsl and runes and everything available, it doesn't mean everyone's made of money, we don't make unreasonable suggestions. Saying to take a Q7 15AL shield, over a Q9 shield, is unreasonable. Your sacrificing a shit load of money for about 3 extra damage... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:22, 6 December 2008 (EST)

People who actually got a rq7 Shield won't look on PvX anyway... And if they do they're not going to run 9 command if they know they got a rq 7 shield. I hope that made sense. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 13:24, 6 December 2008 (EST)

I'll compromise here, we'll change to back to command 9, and put a Q9 shield, but in notes, we'll say if you can afford a q7 shield, then you can drop command to 7 (6+1), and put an extra point into spear mastery. But seriously, it's one fucking damage... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:27, 6 December 2008 (EST)

And it's not like an imbagons run for it'z amazing damage output. --Frosty 13:28, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Maybe, people who have q7 wont look here but good articles showing optimum equipment and precise usage would definetely improve upon site's poor reputation. This too encourages new players to aim for higher standards.

Just if you are not good enough to have this shield and dont want to get better does not mean you should have poor articles, that was aimed at everyone.

To Phenaxkian in particular:

In my opinion locking the page was just faggotry. Thats not only because of equipment but guide in general which I still wanted to alter little. --Anonimous. 14:05, 6 December 2008 (EST)

For fuck's sake, it's not "AnonimousWiki" it's PvXwiki. Not everything is up to you. And you brought this on yourself by constantly thinking you're right and everyone else is wrong. Get a grip on reality and stop acting like you're good. -- Guild of Deals 14:09, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Indeed. I'm constantly right and everyone else (you in the first place) is wrong. --Anonimous. 14:16, 6 December 2008 (EST)

I sure do hope you can sleep tonight, Anon :( ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 14:17, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Hey fuckers, Shut the hell up. Its PvE, most people only have r9 command shields, no one is going to get a 7 command shield for shitter PvE, quit bitching, it doesnt matter.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 15:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)

way easier to get a req 9 cool looking rare gold shield imo PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 00:17, 10 December 2008 (EST)

dear users:

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW --Mafaraxas (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2008 (EST)

We need anthem of flame/weariness in the bar, for AR. 05:20, 7 December 2008

What for?

You easily use FGJ! and TnTF! to mantain AR for minute needed to get from one mob to another, there is little need to upkeep it constantly outside battle.

Anthem of Weariness is somewhat weak compared to enfeebling blood and there are much better options to apply burning when in physical based team. --85.214.73.63 06:19, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Anthem of Weariness was suggested because of it's shorter recharge, if not as good as AoF.-- Liger414 talk 12:47, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Not keeping up AR outside of battle is retarted. It saves you from the 25 energy dip and allows you to start off battles with "TNtF!" and FA. -- Guild of Deals 12:57, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Needs a mainbar now 12:59, 7 December 2008

Why the fuck are you all continuing pointless discussion in my section? --Mafaraxas (talk) 13:10, 7 December 2008 (EST)

BAWWWW sounds like keep talking--ChristmasRelyk 22:59, 7 December 2008 (EST)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BAWWWW

What retards come up with that crap...--ChristmasRelyk 20:11, 10 December 2008 (EST)

It's called the internet. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:51, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Why not...

Spear of Fury on the bar, good damage and adrenaline gain imo →J.J. berks (contrib) 20:26, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Only three pve-only skills allowed on a bar. "There's Nothing to Fear!" and "Save Yourselves!" are required, and ebon battle standard is a better option than spear of fury. --Mafaraxas (talk) 00:11, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Enduring Harmony on the bar, im my opinion a 'must have' in combination with TNTF! and/or SY!

EH only affects one ally, so it's pointless -- 17:25, 24 February 2009

"It only effects 3 allies..."* And having 3 allies buffed 50% longer with "TNTF!" can be really useful. Unless you're making use of The most imba healing skill in the game--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 15:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Add "Go For The Eyes!" if running physical heavy team for more damage.

Wow, just wow. Do you finally start getting some brain? Quite impressed. --Anonimous.

stfu, mr. pve elitist. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 10:49, 11 December 2008 (EST)

U oh, made ricky rage. RICK-SMASH!!!!--ChristmasRelyk 10:50, 11 December 2008 (EST)

GftE is a PvP skill. Why is it on here at all? -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 11:10, 11 December 2008 (EST)

NRG gain Asdfg 11:24, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Your energy management is the orders hero, imo, but even without you should be fine spamming SY. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 11:34, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Not everyone brings orders hero like they should though--ChristmasRelyk 11:36, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Surely Save Yourselfes gives you enough energy... --Frosty 11:39, 11 December 2008 (EST)

First time ive seen someone spell yourselves with an f--ChristmasRelyk 11:40, 11 December 2008 (EST)

If you don't spam skills like a maniac, SY should be enough, yeah. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 11:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)

thank god sometone fixed this. JONO51 13:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Name Change?

So if everyone refers to this build as the "Imbagon", and nobody knows what you're talking about if you say "Foucsed PvE Paragon", why don't we just change the name of the build to "Imbagon"? --Zenroc 05:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Imbagon redirects here. Toraen Dirt to da face! 05:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Doesnt really change the fact that no one knows what a focused pve paragon is. Life 06:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Woot! Name change is official! Life 01:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

not really cause i just went ahead and changed it, some1 else might revert me :p PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Though the reason makes sense :P Fox007 18:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)