Talk: P/W Imbagon

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This wins PvE. With a few changes (attributes (11Le, 11SM, 8Co), rez, no ToF), I use this all the time. - Krowman {{sysop}} 21:03, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

Yeah my friend runs it in hard mode, we have 3 Savannah Heat eles and an SF to ensure burning, we never need a res because nobody dies =). - Skakid9090 21:06, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

You know, I can't think of anyone dieing while I ran this either. Some PUG genius called me a noob for using Focused Anger though, gg. - Krowman {{sysop}} 21:11, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

Yeah Krow Man, Incoming is SO much better. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:08, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Build could definately use a skill icon variants list. Shireensysop 21:15, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

How do I do that? - Skakid9090 21:23, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

{skill icon|Name Skill} and add at lesat 2 sets of 3 chains or whatever for the option sets. Would make this look a lot less like a stub. Use -{{ on it though (2 instead of one). Its gonna show up with text next to it, so I suggest you bullet them. A list of 5 or six skills would help flesh this out quite a bit. Somewhere else (shadow prison sin) there is an example of how to do mini skill bars as well. Shireensysop 21:25, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

Those are not needed. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 21:34, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

it looks cool anyway =P - Skakid9090 21:38, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

I created redirects on GWiki to the proper skill pages. Note that they use double quotation marks while you uploaded the pics with single ones. Not a problem anymore. - Krowman {{sysop}} 21:40, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

Thanks. I fixed it. - Skakid9090 21:58, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

People need to look through the vetted sections before posting their builds. This build is the same as Build:P/R_Critical_Spear, except it uses the new skills. Add those new skills to the variants of P/R crit spear, and this build is completely trashed. --8765 23:12, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

Uh, no. There is a 4 skill similarilty and this one is used more defensively than offensively. - Skakid9090 23:22, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

focused anger+aggressive refrain+gfte=mass energy for whatever you want to do after. The foundation of both builds are identical. Whether you choose to use a spear attack or another shout, makes the builds just variants of each other. "Save yourselves!" is somewhat unnecessary since "they're on fire" and "there's nothing to fear" together make for crazy damage reduction. --8765 03:53, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

it's not enough. that build doesnt do shit it spams GFTE and does nothing with the insane amount of energy it provides. this build provides a party-wide ~60% damage reduction and +100 armor. it was designed for hard mode, where even with 60 redux you can still get hit by a boss spirit rift/shatterstone/ect. for 200 dmg. This one is a lot more defensive and any team would be begging for this para. the foundation for all sword warrior builds on the wiki but they all perform different functions. over-merging is bad. - Skakid9090 03:59, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Ok. So it's not enough. Show us something better, don't just give unproductive complaints, but contribute some solutions too. Yamagawa

This build makes vanquishing anywhere a joke. -Punjab 07:20, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

WTB New name lol. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 08:14, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

me too i couldnt think of anything =P - Skakid9090 20:31, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

How about Focused PvE Paragon :)? Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 20:51, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

why bother have "they're on fire!" why anthem of flame is much better? kullwarrior

Should be paired with a teammate who can spread burning, such as with Searing Flames or Mark of Rodgort. more reduction the better imo - Skakid9090 02:48, 11 July 2007 (CEST)

Because it isn't? Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 02:48, 11 July 2007 (CEST)

If you're going P/W, why not just go whole-hog support and bring in "Watch Yourself!" instead of GFTE while replacing tactics for command points? It'll add another ~20 party-wide AL, which only makes things easier in hard mode. If you're in an archer-heavy area (like hard-mode spider cave), "Shields Up!" is another option. -Jayemji 05:38, 12 July 2007

Because they don't stack, and GftE is better the "WY"? Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 20:30, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

Watch Yourselves is certainly an option if you are in a caster heavy team (such as all SFs and monks) or if you only have level 1 Save Yourselves, although anything on top of There is Nothing to Fear and They're on Fire is probably overkill already. 129.55.200.20 20:04, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

and deep wound is ftw Skakid9090 20:31, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

I'd suggest listing counters for this. Granted, its not something you'll ever go up against, you still need to know your weaknesses, so your party can accomidate for them:

• Adrenaline denial: Soothing images, blindenss, etc.
• Anti-shout skills: Vocal Minorty, Well of Silence
• Life steal: Life stealing, not being damage, will ignores this builds defences entirely. Yamagawa 02:39, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

Another possible variant that I have been having a lot of success with is adding in mending refrain. Since you will be maintaining aggressive refrain with they're on fire all the time outside combat anyways, you can also maintain mending refrain on your entire party. I use 16 Leadership and 13 motivation for a +4 mending refrain. Alternatively, you can get 8 motivation for a +3 mending refrain and have some attributes in spear mastery so you won't do 1 damage (not like it is really significant anyways). Finally, you can also have a teammate or hero use mending refrain and you can maintain it too, in which case you can use the same build. 24.147.149.123 17:47, 21 July 2007 (CEST)

But what do you do with the second paragon? :)

I'm currently thinking about a second paragon, to hit the buttons this one doesn't; this one is just (heh!) damage reduction, deep wound, and critical hits. A paragon targeting important allies with Energizing Finale & Finale of Restoration, melee allies with Blazing Finale, and spamming Anthem of Flame could help out the whole team. But maybe I'm just suddently addicted to PvE paragons, and I'm seeing uses for Motivation that don't really exist. Thoughts? Permanganate 06:05, 15 July 2007 (CEST)

Why not use Build:P/W Party Support? -- frvwfr2 (talk · contributions) 06:07, 15 July 2007 (CEST)

somethin like this imo <pvxbig>

[build prof=P/? mot=12+1+1 lea=12+2][Finale of Restoration][Mending Refrain][Energizing Finale][Energizing Chorus][Song of Restoration][Anthem of Flame][Aria of Restoration][Ballad of Restoration][/build] </pvxbig>

- Skakid9090 06:20, 15 July 2007 (CEST)

lol

I was thinking, man, I have to get really far in Factions to get these skills, but then i was like Duh! I can get em in GH. So just a tip for anyone worried about that. ~~ frvwfr2 (talk · contributions) 02:02, 18 July 2007 (CEST)

The worst part is, when you do get to Cavalon/HzH, you'll be saving up faction for those Befriending Quests. I may or may not be stuck on them. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 21:44, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

Skills Template broke?

Just tried copy and pasting the template code in game and what's there isn't working, I get an empty skillbar. Just a heads up.

Got that problem to.. Sma 17:04, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Check if you have the Luxon/Kurzick/Sunspear skills and then check if you took the right template (Kurzick/Luxon). 84.136.203.142 17:11, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Why Focused Anger/Angressive refrain?

Soldier's Fury and Furious Spear. Certainly builds more than enough adrenaline and opens up a spare skill slot and costs less, attacks faster, recharges quicker than agressive refrain and lasts longer. And spamming WY, you're under the effects of a shout all the time, not to mention There is nothing to fear which maxed out at Sunpear, you can spam as it ends.

Do note tho, this para build owns outside of DOA. In DOA, even in normal mode, you gonna be lucky to get any kind of shout off, lotsa vocal minority and soothing images which they all just seem to spam on the para all the time. So bring hex removal or have someone cast Spellbreaker on you.

why would you not want double adren... don't need to waste an elite slot for a little more attack speed when you could pump out twice as many shouts. - Skakid9090 12:41, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

There is not a big difference between +25% attack speed and +33% attack speed. Aggressive Refrain is essentially "free" after the first cast because the paragon never lets it end, you should keep using They're on Fire to maintain it even outside combat (with high leadership, They're on Fire is very cheap). The biggest reason why you want Focused Anger is so you can maintain Watch Yourselves all the time. It might not be a problem if you have high alliance title, but if it only lasts 3 seconds, there may be small windows where it is not on and your team is slightly more vulnerable to attack. Your spear's base damage is insignificant anyways, especially in endgame or hard mode where this build really shines. 129.55.200.20 21:32, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Variant (and personal experience)

I been trying this build out for a little while, and don't have the luxon/kurzick skills unlocked yet, but did quite well with this variant: I used Strip Enchantment and Well of Blood, with necro as my secondary instead of warrior, and used wild throw. This allowed me to remove a lot of protections on my enemies as well as preventing corpse exploitation (in most cases) and providing my party with a bit of health regen to counter some of the nasty health degen you run across in some areas. The build works wonderful, and I just thought I'd share. Do be careful to watch out for health degen. If your monk can't handle that, you may be in deep trouble.

Damage Reduction

Does anyone know/can figure out the total damage reduction %? I love this build, I ran it in some of the later Vabbi missions and my healers got bored :) Can't wait to try it in hard mode. --88.105.115.145 21:17, 13 August 2007 (CEST)

With "Save Yourselves!" (Wiki says 82% reduction), "They're On Fire!" (29% @ 12 Leadership), "There's Nothing to Fear!" (31% at the reccomended SS rank 8), that calculates to a 142% damage reduction if you have all 3 at once. Im not sure what the game mechanics allow in terms to exceeding 100% reduction or if they even stack, so someone might have better inputn. Im just getting that from the skill descriptions. AfroThunder396 02:02, 16 August 2007 (CEST)

Elemental and physical damage will be reduced by approx. 91.34% (to ~8.66%). Armor-ignoring damage is reduced by approx. 51% (to ~49%). Arilink 02:24, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

91.34% Is the figure I came to, thank you. --88.105.7.235 11:49, 19 August 2007 (CEST)

Focused Anger vs "For Great Justice!"

With the buff to FGJ, could we re-evaluate this build? The FA bug only allows a max +100% gain, the same as FGJ. But FGJ is cheaper and unlinked. The only thing FA has as an advantage is its duration. But still, replacing it could open the doors for another elite like "Incoming!" or Soldiers Fury (for even MORE adrenaline). Just throwing this out there, what are your thoughts? AfroThunder396 01:30, 16 August 2007 (CEST)

not bugged anymore... -- frvwfr2 (T/C/RFA) 02:37, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

just tested it, still bugged. at 15 leadership, dismember should get charged in 2 hits, it takes 3. Asdfg 02:46, 17 August 2007 (CEST)

FGJ's downtime is... too unappealing as it is now. FA>FGJ

New Update

Barely survived. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 03:47, 24 August 2007 (CEST)

Sorry I checked the new updates and I don't understand how it affects this builds. Please can you tell me which or how the new update affects this build. Thank you.— ihavtheranger| 15:12, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

Limitation to 3 PvE skills. This has exaclty three. Thus "barely". Asdfg 21:47, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

What if...

there isn't anyone to inflict burning? If so, should Anthem of Flame be used? And which skill should be replaced if so? -The Titan 17:19, 27 August 2007 (CEST)

Replace ToF with Sig of Return. Asdfg 17:28, 27 August 2007 (CEST)