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  • i did a bit of cleaning, hope you dont mind :D Stefyvolt 04:33, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Meaningless edit warring

If you're going to change the main bar, you need to change the rest of the page as well. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 10:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Sorry for that, I had very little time to edit this last time. --Anonimous. 10:57, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Then don't. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 10:58, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I added "known as imbagon" =D--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:05, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Already in build description, nooblet. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 11:06, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Derrr it wasn't at the top, which is why i added it QQ--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:07, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Changes/Updates.

Updated/Improved build content. There is little need in AoF and GfTE in non-physical based party which is very common and even in that case those skills are carried around by another character or have minor importance at all. You primary goal with this build is maximum ability to mantain SY at all time. FGJ allows you to have constant stream of increased adrenalline which leads to better job done and great energy management as well. With more powerfully specced two attacks you have higher dps. Command attribute was lowered to 7 to meet the requrement of shield. Equipment was updated. Added larger variety of insignia and rune choices, added mention of very important +1+3 leadership headpiece and rune of clarity. r7 shield was added. Larger variety of spears was added. High energy staff for AR was added. -20% shield mod was added, very important against low duration blinds. You are probably going to revert it because of lack of talk page drama, game knowledge/expirience and your general lack of common sense or more harshely said autism but I ensist. --Anonimous. 11:06, 5 December 2008 (EST)

I don't have an r7 15 AL Shield, and don't feel like buying one like 80% of the pvxwiki users, tbh. Yes, we generally expect the best from equipment like a Rune of Superior Vigor, but low req weapons are less common and more expensive. Also, anyone that does buy an r7 15 AL Shield will probably use Orders, so Spear of Lightning won't be a great attack skill because of the damage type conversion. The bar does look better, though, tbh, but Spear of Lightning should be dropped and the r7 Shield is asking too much, imo. ــмıкεнaшк 11:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)
lol ur funny anonimous, those are all variant skills, u need anthem of flame on main bar so nubs can keep up aggressive refrain--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:10, 5 December 2008 (EST)
To Mike:
If, 80% of pvxwiki cant afford r7 15AL shield (which is not expensive at all) doesnt mean that rest of gw community should. r7 15AL is the ideal equipment for this build, articles need to be kept to high standard. I will mention what to do if you dont have the shield in note section.
Good player would run Swift Jevelin in case of running with and orders hero or aegis chain. That is no rul;e though so generally SoL is better. I think of adding an optional slot of both though.
To Relyk:
You dont need to mantain AR outside of battle if the running time exceeds ~40-60 seconds. You can mantain it using +1+3 leadership headpiece and FGJ/Tntf very well if you want to as well as not losing ammount of dps. --Anonimous. 11:43, 5 December 2008 (EST)

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to change this. The previous version was lolworthy. AoF, GftE... anyone who thinks those are good skills on an imbagon does not play one. Anyway, may I suggest "Fall Back" as an optional. I realize it doesn't help combat-wise, but it makes keeping up AR ridiculously easy, and you almost never have to wait around for TNtF to recharge. Also, zoom zoom in PvE is ftw. --Thc 12:00, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Would not run Fall Back myself but it is worthy of optional section. --Anonimous. 12:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)
can i ask, why even bother having points in command? you've dropped "GFtE!", so you're bar doesn't make use of command at all, other than the shield. Tbh it would make mroe sense to drop your points into leadership, and just wing it with a shield. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:17, 5 December 2008 (EST)
15AL shield makes quite a difference from 0 spec shield. Having one more point in spear mastery is more important than having one less AL in your shield. --Anonimous. 12:25, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Would taking a furious spear help here (adrenaline is capped, then doubled) or not (adrenaline is doubled, then capped)? Or is more adrenaline even needed?--65.114.60.147 07:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Revert war

Do let's ^^ ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 11:10, 5 December 2008 (EST)

go ananimous go!--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:12, 5 December 2008 (EST)
(EC) XD Before we get into a million edits and reverts, we should probably come to a consensus for the main bar. I usually run:
Vicious Attack Optional "Save Yourselves!" "There's Nothing to Fear!" Ebon Battle Standard of Honor Focused Anger "For Great Justice!" Aggressive Refrain
ــмıкεнaшк 11:13, 5 December 2008 (EST)

You can take a res for that matter. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 11:14, 5 December 2008 (EST)

SHUT UP RES ARE FOR THE WEAK! --Anonimous. 12:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)
yeah you could, but really, you're playing an imbagon. if you wind up being the last man standing, then /ragequit.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 12:36, 5 December 2008 (EST)


Vicious Attack Spear of Fury "Save Yourselves!" "There's Nothing to Fear!" Focused Anger "For Great Justice!" "Fall Back!" Aggressive Refrain

Basically because i cba to go through eotn again. Usually take a Charge warrior, too. --Mafaraxas (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Vicious Attack

Blows a lot of chunks without GftE. Swap it out for merciless tbh. -Auron 05:09, 6 December 2008 (EST)

or since you're probably already going to have lots of deep wound in the common meta, and Merciless spear is a giant tub of ass on paragon primaries, use Spear of Fury. Highest damage spear attack in the game, nets you adrenaline, quick casting speed.--72.189.85.14 05:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)
And sacrifices ebon standard, which makes the skill's bonus damage look like a joke. Oh, and you'd still have a slot, since you had to dump the best skill on the bar for a subpar pve skill. Really not a smart idea. -Auron 05:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)
Meh mostly just to spam attacks, its interchangeable, but most people use gfte anyways--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 05:29, 6 December 2008 (EST)
Why we're dropping Anthem of Flame or Weariness I don't know, it's a hell of a lot more useful for keeping up AR outside of battle then wasting TNtF on it. And bring Spear of Lightning or Swift Javelin over Vicious. As Auron said, it blows big chunks without GftE--GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 07:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)
To Auron:
Your coment shows exactly how bad pvfail is.
On blank piece of paper you look at vicious attack with gtfe! IT GIVES YOU ALMOST CERTAIN CHANCE TO APPLY DEEP WOUND WOW AMAZING!!!!!! That was on piece of blank paper, you fail to see costs of having it on actual build. To have that combo on this build means drop skill that can apply 80-100 damage you can use again to have higher chance to deal 100 damage that you can benefit from only once. That is having less DPS and adrenalline sink against having higher DPS and obviously winning the game.
You may argue that GftE! is energy management but I crush that argument right away. SY! is being charged in 3-4 spear hits providing you with steady stream of energy with high ranks in leadership. What GtfE! would only do is take away adrenalline lowering your SY! spam efficiency. --Anonimous. 12:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)
This isn't tagged as a team build. Feel free to add a comment that GftE is required on another member of the team. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 12:41, 6 December 2008 (EST)
It is not required in general. --Anonimous. 12:53, 6 December 2008 (EST)
You do not want to take GftE, especially in areas with lots of blocking. Theorycraft is nice (lol charge in 2 hits so EZ), but that's not always the case. Some mobs have Aegis and Dark Fury is NOT up all the time. GftE is the last thing you'd want on your bar. --67.49.147.14 20:54, 6 December 2008 (EST)

For idiots who revert 7 command

Understand that you are not good enough to afford req 7 15AL, doesnt mean you should keep article in poor state for Guild Wars community to laugh. --Anonimous. 13:16, 6 December 2008 (EST)

More people have req9 shields dude...--Altruismliger Liger414 talk 13:18, 6 December 2008 (EST)
people =/= good people. --Anonimous. 13:19, 6 December 2008 (EST)
So pvxwiki is aiming at the top 10% of pve'ers who probably never look at this site anyway cause its terrible, get a grip. --Frosty 13:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)
But PvX = Elitest no? So he actually makes a fair point. Brandnew. 13:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

I find it funny that people see PvX as some sort of dictatorship: "What this build says is how everybody must run it!" The attributes, like many many other things, considering this build, are interchangable and have a high amount of variants. Stop acting like builds on PvX (as written down, not considering variants) are the only way a build can be ran. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 13:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

(EC ×4)look, we do say you should expect people to have all skilsl and runes and everything available, it doesn't mean everyone's made of money, we don't make unreasonable suggestions. Saying to take a Q7 15AL shield, over a Q9 shield, is unreasonable. Your sacrificing a shit load of money for about 3 extra damage... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:22, 6 December 2008 (EST)

People who actually got a rq7 Shield won't look on PvX anyway... And if they do they're not going to run 9 command if they know they got a rq 7 shield. I hope that made sense. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 13:24, 6 December 2008 (EST)

I'll compromise here, we'll change to back to command 9, and put a Q9 shield, but in notes, we'll say if you can afford a q7 shield, then you can drop command to 7 (6+1), and put an extra point into spear mastery. But seriously, it's one fucking damage... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:27, 6 December 2008 (EST)
And it's not like an imbagons run for it'z amazing damage output. --Frosty 13:28, 6 December 2008 (EST)
Maybe, people who have q7 wont look here but good articles showing optimum equipment and precise usage would definetely improve upon site's poor reputation. This too encourages new players to aim for higher standards.
Just if you are not good enough to have this shield and dont want to get better does not mean you should have poor articles, that was aimed at everyone.
To Phenaxkian in particular:
In my opinion locking the page was just faggotry. Thats not only because of equipment but guide in general which I still wanted to alter little. --Anonimous. 14:05, 6 December 2008 (EST)
For fuck's sake, it's not "AnonimousWiki" it's PvXwiki. Not everything is up to you. And you brought this on yourself by constantly thinking you're right and everyone else is wrong. Get a grip on reality and stop acting like you're good. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 14:09, 6 December 2008 (EST)
Indeed. I'm constantly right and everyone else (you in the first place) is wrong. --Anonimous. 14:16, 6 December 2008 (EST)
I sure do hope you can sleep tonight, Anon :( ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 14:17, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Hey fuckers, Shut the hell up. Its PvE, most people only have r9 command shields, no one is going to get a 7 command shield for shitter PvE, quit bitching, it doesnt matter.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 15:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)

way easier to get a req 9 cool looking rare gold shield imo MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 00:17, 10 December 2008 (EST)

dear users:

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW --Mafaraxas (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Cute McMonkey
We need anthem of flame/weariness in the bar, for AR. Tai sig Image 78 05:20, 7 December 2008
What for?
You easily use FGJ! and TnTF! to mantain AR for minute needed to get from one mob to another, there is little need to upkeep it constantly outside battle.
Anthem of Weariness is somewhat weak compared to enfeebling blood and there are much better options to apply burning when in physical based team. --85.214.73.63 06:19, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Anthem of Weariness was suggested because of it's shorter recharge, if not as good as AoF.--Altruismliger Liger414 talk 12:47, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Not keeping up AR outside of battle is retarted. It saves you from the 25 energy dip and allows you to start off battles with "TNtF!" and FA. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 12:57, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Needs a mainbar now Tai sig Image 78 12:59, 7 December 2008
Why the fuck are you all continuing pointless discussion in my section? --Mafaraxas (talk) 13:10, 7 December 2008 (EST)
BAWWWW sounds like keep talking--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 22:59, 7 December 2008 (EST)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BAWWWW
What retards come up with that crap...--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 20:11, 10 December 2008 (EST)
It's called the internet. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 10:51, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Why not...

Spear of Fury on the bar, good damage and adrenaline gain imo →J.J. berks (contrib) 20:26, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Only three pve-only skills allowed on a bar. "There's Nothing to Fear!" and "Save Yourselves!" are required, and ebon battle standard is a better option than spear of fury. --Mafaraxas (talk) 00:11, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Enduring Harmony on the bar, im my opinion a 'must have' in combination with TNTF! and/or SY!

EH only affects one ally, so it's pointless --Tai Sig 17:25, 24 February 2009
"It only effects 3 allies..."* And having 3 allies buffed 50% longer with "TNTF!" can be really useful. Unless you're making use of The most imba healing skill in the game--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 15:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Add "Go For The Eyes!" if running physical heavy team for more damage.

Wow, just wow. Do you finally start getting some brain? Quite impressed. --Anonimous.

stfu, mr. pve elitist. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 10:49, 11 December 2008 (EST)
U oh, made ricky rage. RICK-SMASH!!!!--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 10:50, 11 December 2008 (EST)
GftE is a PvP skill. Why is it on here at all? -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 11:10, 11 December 2008 (EST)
NRG gain Asdfg 11:24, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Your energy management is the orders hero, imo, but even without you should be fine spamming SY. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 11:34, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Not everyone brings orders hero like they should though--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:36, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Surely Save Yourselfes gives you enough energy... --Frosty 11:39, 11 December 2008 (EST)
First time ive seen someone spell yourselves with an f--Relyk chtistmas2ChristmasRelyk 11:40, 11 December 2008 (EST)
If you don't spam skills like a maniac, SY should be enough, yeah. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 11:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)
thank god sometone fixed this. JONO51 13:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Name Change?

So if everyone refers to this build as the "Imbagon", and nobody knows what you're talking about if you say "Foucsed PvE Paragon", why don't we just change the name of the build to "Imbagon"? --Zenroc 05:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Imbagon redirects here. ToraenSig1 Toraen Dirt to da face! 05:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Doesnt really change the fact that no one knows what a focused pve paragon is. LifeWikiLOD7 06:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Woot! Name change is official! LifeWikiLOD7 01:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
not really cause i just went ahead and changed it, some1 else might revert me :p MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Though the reason makes sense :P Fox007 User Fox007 sig 18:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"They're on fire!"

I use this skill with 2 SF eles(one with mark of rodgort). Gives me even more dmgreduction. It is also very nice for keeping up aggressive refrain, during long runs. Sometimes the "Charge!" henchman is a little slow... 3rd hero is MOX the orders derv of course. 82.72.233.33 21:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

'tof' is bad/redundant if you're spamming SY like you should; when damage is already reduced 80%, another 35% multiplicative is small. If you need something to keep up Aggressive Refrain between fights, just take 'fall back!' --Mafaraxas 23:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Mini Healer??

<pvxbig> [build prof=P/W motivation=8+1 lea=12 ]["Save Yourselves!" (Kurzick)]["There's Nothing to Fear!"][Ebon Battle Standard of Honor]["For Great Justice!"][Focused Anger][Aggressive Refrain][Anthem of Flame][Mending Refrain][/build] </pvxbig> Cast Mending Refrain on as many players as possible and keep up by using AoF. Even if players don't use a skill to trigger the renewal, AoF ends after 10 seconds which will renew Mending Refrain. Obviously just use the rest of the build as normal. I havn't tested timing yet, so it could cause "SY!" to run out since you're not getting adrenaline while using AoF. AoF can be replaced with Anthem of Weariness to inflict Weakness instead of Burning. You can also use a Req9 Motivation Shield instead of Command. Xunlai Shadow Agent 18:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You're giving up how much extra damage for a few measly regen? Come on now, your healers should be able to keep up without this. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 05:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, just run straight imbagon and a motigon hero... :) Finale of Resto > Mending Refrain!!! Anwyn 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
In theory, in a team of 8, you are giving +24 Health Regen (3x8 for the mathmatically impared) spread around the party :D. The burning is pretty fun aswell! Xunlai Shadow Agent 09:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
You should have an anthem anyway. 24 regen across 8 people is not worth a skill slot when your focus should be offensive (see also: Mending). -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 21:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
healers will be able to heal any minor damage/degen u take, which is practically nothing when mitigated by sy, only large amounts of damage at once pose a problem, and regen isnt much good then--Relyk 22:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Why...

is there a whole other build posted for the Luxon variant. just put "save yourselves!"(luxons) in variants, not a whole flipping other build, unless people are pants-on-head retarded and can't look for words instead of just pretty pictures...Flesh Atrophy 01:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

because its easy to copypaste the code. --Ojmo 01:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
oh ya, forgot. easy is how it's done these daysFlesh Atrophy 01:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Command

Is there any reason the build says Command and doesn't mention how completely interchangeable it is with Motivation? 69.154.110.218 00:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

because command has more useful skills --Ojmo 01:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
"Go for the Eyes!" and "Fall Back!" are pretty much the only worthwhile skills to take from Command or Motivation, and they're both from Command. If you don't use either, though, you can use Motivation yourself. There isn't really any point in changing the attributes, but a note could be added about using Motivation, and a matching Shield. ــѕт.мıкε 02:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
never surrender--Relyk 02:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Anthem of Weariness --Jimp WhiteAsIce 08:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Bladeturn Refrain dum nobs! --Frosty Mc Admin 11:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I still think Bladeturn will be a bit meh when you can chain Aegis and/or DA, though. ــѕт.мıкε 17:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Variant without Aggresive refrain

This build uses Soldier's Fury to replace some skills so that you don't have to maintain Aggresive Refrain anymore.

<pvxbig> [build prof=P/W spe=9+1 comma=9+1 lea=11+1+1]["Go For The Eyes"][Vicious Attack][Spear of Fury (Kurzick)]["Save Yourselves!" (Kurzick)][Anthem of Flame]["They're on fire"]["There's Nothing To Fear"][Soldier's Fury][/build] </pvxbig><pvxbig> The alternative with Luxon skills has the following Skill Template: [build prof=P/W spe=9+1 comma=9+1 lea=11+1+1]["Go For The Eyes"][Vicious Attack][Spear of Fury (Luxon)]["Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)][Anthem of Flame]["They're on fire"]["There's Nothing To Fear"][Soldier's Fury][/build] <pvxbig>

</pvxbig>

Consider Barbed Spear instead of Vicious Attack for a condition or Anthem of Weariness when you play with fire elementalists. Vesta of the Fires 12:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

You'd probably want to use only "SY!" as your only adrenal skill, and sacrificing EBSoH for Spear of Fury means a lot of potential damage lost. If you've got like 6 seconds of "SY!", or Dark Fury, though, maintaining "SY!" shouldn't be a problem with Soldier's Fury. I've also tried some vanquishes around the Doomlore Shrine (Charr/Ebon area of EotN), and with your Ebon Vanguard Title track, you don't even need "FGJ!", Focused Anger or any other adrenaline boost. ــѕт.мıкε 13:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why you'd want to sacrifice the awesomeness that is Agg Refrain and Focused Anger for the fail that is Soldier's Fury. Are you having trouble stopping every few seconds to cast your anthem, or mashing SY in between battles, or microing a hero, or something like that? It's honestly not hard at all. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 02:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

"Find Their Weakness!"

How about adding this? A maintainable +35 dmg buff with deep wound application doesn't exactly sound bad to me. Throan Loremaker 11:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it isn't maintainable as it ends on hit. ^_^ Brandnew 11:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed that myself, shoddy skill description... >.< Throan Loremaker 11:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
redundant skill description is redundant. --Mafaraxas 21:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
FtW! is actually a viable replacement for Vicious now. LifeWikiLOD7 21:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
If you can find the Energy. If you've got "GftE!" on your bar, you're probably still better off with Vicious, if only because it's more spammable. ــѕт.мıкε 21:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Because of the recharges, FtW is barely more costly than vicious. You're running GftE why? LifeWikiLOD7 21:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't run "GftE!", but a lot of people do. EBSoH, "TNtF!" and Focused Anger cost 29 Energy ("TNtF!" return Energy), or 24 Energy if you use "FGJ!" instead of FA, when you start a battle. Tbh, I don't run any Spear Attacks or "GftE!" because I often play without Orders (which I find unreliable). ــѕт.мıкε 22:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
So why bring GftE up at all, since it's bad? -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 22:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Because a lot of players use it, and without out it, you're very unlikely to get DW out of Vicious Attack. ــѕт.мıкε 00:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
never needed it before, dont need it now--Relyk 00:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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